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As multiple people have pointed out: the watch charges in an hour.... sooooooooo, as long as you could do without it say, while you eat breakfast, your needs are met. You could wear it the other 23 hours per day.
Insisting that isn't good enough is silly and (dare I repeat??) simply making up issues.

fyi ...
The official Apple Watch recharge time is 1.5 hours to 80% and and 2.5 hours to 100%.
Don't own one so I do not know how accurate Apple is with this statement.

None came from Apple. A month after announcing the product, and 6 months before it actually launched, Apple said they would report the results within "Other." You don't report iPhone-like profits in "Other."

You totally missed the point but that's okay.
 
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I got the watch and I'm using it for things I didn't even think I'd use it for.
As I was working outside today, I remembered a more unusual use we had for the watch. I attached an iPhone to a 20' extender pole, to capture damage to the ridge of our roof - a big selfie stick :). Used the camera app on the watch to take pictures to send to the insurance company. Worked slick, as the watch's remote viewing capability allowed positioning the camera, and snapping pics. Also used it to inspect gutters - not a big deal, but saved me from setting up a ladder amongst plants only to find the gutters were clean.

I no longer need to make presentations, but the watch's Keynote app would have been handy. Little things here and there add up...

Would like it if there was a good place for sharing ideas/uses - maybe there is...
I'm sure others have come up with some interesting ways of using the watch, and developers will add functionality.
 
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Apple posted 1.7b other revenues in their latest report. thats a the sum of Apple Watch+iPod+ other revenues like legal conflicts and reconciliations for example.
iPods are declining in general but a higher revenue is expected due to new colored Nano and new Touch so its like:
250m$ from iPods (last year was like 200m)+50m other revenues thats: 300m$
1.7b-300m=1.4 billion
revenues from the Apple watch.
Now if we average the price of the Apple watch for 450$ (higher edition models and other bands):
1.4b÷450=3.1 million watch in 7 months. (estimation only)
I think this is an impressive number of sales for a fashion overpriced not needed product. Apple might not be very pleased with this but at least its very far from failure.

Isn't that 3.1M watch for the last quarter. I'm pretty sure they sold watches in the previous quarter too ;-).
I'd guess they're closer to 6M now (and 10M by the end of the year.
 
Not very Apple but with Angela Ahrendts in charge it doesn't seem that out of place. She comes from a traditional Retail background where discounts and sales are the norm. This could even be a test to see if a price drop would boost net profits everywhere.

I agree. However it seems that she is very well hidden in the background unlike Ron Johnson. This is really not the first time that Apple has offered 'buy this and get this other option'. Just the first time within Apple's other categories. If we start seeing discounts for bands with a watch purchase, then maybe sales aren't really that good. Overall, I have been satisfied with my :apple:Watch.
Not sure if I like the direction Apple retail is taking. Certainly don't like the web store as it seems more difficult to navigate. Too much fluff....

Haters gonna hate, defenders gonna defend...bottomline, watch is indeed a useless accessory.
Maybe for you...

With a desperate sale like this, I predict apple will be bankrupt by the end of 2016.
Did you forget the /s tag?

i like the concept, played with them in store. But they should be standalone device, without need an Iphone.
Not gonna happen. The watch is a companion device. With current battery tech, not enough juice to be standalone. Not Apple's fault.
 
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Funny how a lot of the people that say Samsung's whatever is flopping because they have to do paired discounts/freebies don't say the same thing when Apple does it...

Strange huh?

A lot of people are saying that Apple Watch is flopping, so who specifically do you mean?

Besides that, obviously Apple Watch is selling far better than anyone else, and yet the market is an entire flop. What is your opinion on the total losers of the wearable market like Motorola, LG or ...Samsung?

That's what I find so fascinating. I'm sure you're right.

Yet where I live, I frequent four of the busiest, nearly standing room only stores in very wealthy areas of Beverly Hills CA, Studio City, in Topanga and my community of Calabasas, people spend large amounts of money in nearly every shop they step into. It's a money is no object environment.

The entire West Los Angeles area is flush with very wealthy people. Apple Watch is so far below their radar it's just inconsequential. Yet that said I'm sure in less expensive cities Apple Watch is quite attractive to some people. I bet Apple has millions upon millions of dollars earmarked for a long term promotion. If Anyone can sell these things Apple can.

I agree, the wearables is a flop, even Apple can't sell them, losers like LG or Moto suck at sales and this whole thing needs to be done with immediately. What a waste of money.
 
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Call me when I don't have to charge my WATCH every night..

Is this seriously a big deal? I have to charge mine every night but I haven't gone through a single day where I near losing power.

My wife's work is giving them out to their employees. She doesn't want it, so is trying to give it to me. But, it's still sitting in the box unopened. I just don't have the motivation to like something I really don't need. Apple did a horrible job trying to exactly explain why I need this. Why do I need to have something strapped to my wrist that doesn't look good, another device to keep charged, and one that does nothing that my iPhone (which is glued to my hand all day) doesn't already do? I can't sell it, because it still technically belongs to her work.

Need? We're talking about consumer electronics here.

It has sensors that your phone does not, specifically a heart rate monitor. Is this necessary? No. Is having a GPS and an accelerometer in your phone necessary?

The main thing—and it doesn't sound like much and it's really something you can't experience putzing around with it in a store, but it's the biggest draw for me—is how unobtrusive notifications become. I'm basically on call all day for work emergencies so I check my phone all the time even though it's not always important. However, I don't know until I look. Move that to wrist and it's quicker, easier and quieter. I'm also less likely to interact with notifications which keeps the phone in my pocket more. Frankly, this is a good thing.

It's a great fitness add on too. The little reminders like, "Okay, you've been sitting too long..." are really nice, especially when I'm programming for long stretches.

The looks are subjective. I have the space gray Sport and think it looks cool.

Paying with Apple Pay on the watch is way easier than getting a card out or even a phone. Big deal? No. But when I'm grocery shopping with my 1-year-old, it's really convenient.

Is any of it necessary? No. But again, what's "necessary"?
 
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Really - I'm making up issues? Since I haven't actually told you why I need multi-day battery life - I find this somewhat arrogant of you.

I go on multi-day trips.. longer than an apple watch would last, without going near electric outlets. "Take external battery with you", you say. Err... No... space is an absolute premium.. more important items than external batteries to power a damn watch! ( Better water proofing would also help - but is adequate at the moment - something I'd think Apple still sort out in v2 ).

Keep on the "But your making up reasons" line... I don't care! My requirements do not fit the limited life of an Apple Watch... plus *personal preferences*.

Like I said, I'm glad you are enjoying your watch, but you cannot expect everyone to feel the same way... for any product, even an Apple product. Apple Watch does not suit everyone... for me, the limited battery life is an absolute issue. Don't like my view - because it seems that way.. tough - it will not change for the reasons I've given. Get on with your life - you have more important things to worry about than some random person on a forum disliking the life of a watch battery!

I can totally accept that the watch is not your cup of tea and prefer one that lasts longer,
but the external battery argument, as you laid it out, is specious.

I've gone to camp one on Everest with a spare battery.
Where do you go that the space/weight of a less than 100g battery/cable
60% the size of a hockey puck that gives you at least 8 days to your watch is cumbersome!
(4 days if you do heavy heart tracking, 14 days if you use it a bit less, away from the world and all of that...)
It's not like there isn't plenty of people carrying huge batteries while hiking (300g) to charge their phone for a week while hiking. There is a whole industry built around this.

I can only imagine your an astronaut, your going for K2 or an arctic explorer pulling your own sled;
only way this makes sense.

BTW, 8 days is a hell of a long time, I can hike from Kathmandu to base camp in that amount of time carrying a big pack. (not that I would recommend it if you're not already acclimated and in good shape).

Also, the current Apple watch has a very high resistance to water; way beyond what Apple is advertising.
People have used IPX7 outside for a long time. Old Garmin equipment was rated like this watch.

BTW, there is no current watch with this kind of screen, this kind of functions, this size, that lasts the amount of time you seek : NONE. V2 won't fix the battery time because it's linked to the battery itself and the screen.
Nothing coming up the pipeline solves this either.

Since there is none of those imaginary watch with those kind of functions,
carrying a battery and a solar panel is the option if your going off grid for a while
There is none other in the foreseeable future.

PS:
The watch does not need a lot of power,
So, it can do with a small wearable solar panel and a quite small battery (30g)
This would leave your charged pretty much permanently.
I haven't tried this even smaller solution yet, but it exists it should work.
 
There has never been a better time for savvy Apple consumers to buy into Apple Watch. Honestly my iPhone feels naked without Apple Watch. You need both products to really get the best possible experience. My Apple Watch is with me every second of every day.
 
There has never been a better time for savvy Apple consumers to buy into Apple Watch. Honestly my iPhone feels naked without Apple Watch. You need both products to really get the best possible experience. My Apple Watch is with me every second of every day.

because of this discount?

expand on the best possible experience?
 
I cant go a day without compliments/comments about how cool it looks and is. The watch can do a good amount of things for someone like me who has a smart home and connected car. Starting, unlocking and locking my car from my watch is the coolest thing in the world.. but everyone who I talk to doesnt have just 500 laying around to spend on a watch. It's really the price that keeps people from buying the novelty.


Not just the price....I have 500 and opted for a classic mechanical watch this year for around $400. Tried a demo in store and went this is just not replacing anything for me.

I have heard you can sneak notifications on watch in meetings and such. Do that already....Ipad mini tethering to phone to bypass company wireless blocks. Little notification come up as I take notes and such. Also just me maybe...but looking at a watch is less than subtle. Why I like my mini....nose in that minute one and writing notes. Am I always in it taking notes? Will plead the 5th to that. Looks a hell of a lot less obvious than extend arm, flip wrist, seconds to read watch.

The always connected bit...I am of the mindset you need to be off the grid sometimes. Thinking others may be as well. I am taking a trip next week. I will lose all cellular service (as I am not paying out the nose for roaming charges from japan to Korea...if I can even get a connection). I look forward to this actually as I like being off the grid. I remember life before cell phones...sometimes retro has it allure when you bring it back. My mechanical will tell the time just fine.

Heard the exercise bene's. I am more old school in this I guess. Do it till it hurts ( in a good way that is...you know the burn that says man this will suck later when the endorphins wear off off but damn I am impressed with this workout now).
When body adjusts...hurts less, do some more (or do it harder) to feel the burn again. A watch should not be telling you you'd did a good job. It should be your body. Mechanical does this just fine. Start time, end time, basic math and there you go.

Now if training for the olympics or other amateur or pro events...yeah you might need the metrics. Personal use stuff....shaved off 2 minutes on the KD run...burn out the legs for another 2 minutes to get that full time you usually have.

Also the thrill of paying this much for beta testing is just not there. And this release screamed and still does to some extent beta test. 2nd, 3rd gen....issues of power and such resolved, could be worth it. Now....not really imo. When I beta I prefer to do it for free. Or if an application developer shows tons of promise....yes I will give them the money to put to the make this production release one day.


edit: main take away is apple entered an iffy market for them here really. People like me like the classic mechanical watches. No fancy stuff....but it works and is timeless.

5, 10 years from my swiss army will still be ticking with proper care and maintenance. Like my other's bought prior. It could be the watch passed down to my son in what is a common ceremony of sorts between father and son. Here is your first real watch son. 1st gen apple watch...not even having this aspect. We can assume 5-10 years from now software not on the unsupported list.
 
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I cant go a day without compliments/comments about how cool it looks and is. The watch can do a good amount of things for someone like me who has a smart home and connected car. Starting, unlocking and locking my car from my watch is the coolest thing in the world.. but everyone who I talk to doesnt have just 500 laying around to spend on a watch. It's really the price that keeps people from buying the novelty.

since you mention connected home and the car im gonna ask about regarding those two. can you not do that with the iphone? and when unlocking, locking and starting your car or interacting with your home do you not have your iphone?
 
Bah, the $50 off an Apple Watch when buying an iPhone is not the thing to look at for whether or not the Apple Watch is a "success" (whatever that definition is). The things to look at are sales numbers (which Apple refuses to release) and that it is being sold at Target.

For all of the hype of the Apple Watch and the Apple Watch buying experience being "premium", one would hardly look at Target as the place to buy such devices. But hey, if Apple says it, then it must be true. And it'll still be true when the Apple Watch is being sold at Walmart. :)
 
Bah, the $50 off an Apple Watch when buying an iPhone is not the thing to look at for whether or not the Apple Watch is a "success" (whatever that definition is). The things to look at are sales numbers (which Apple refuses to release) and that it is being sold at Target.

For all of the hype of the Apple Watch and the Apple Watch buying experience being "premium", one would hardly look at Target as the place to buy such devices. But hey, if Apple says it, then it must be true. And it'll still be true when the Apple Watch is being sold at Walmart. :)

They sell the iPhone at Target and Walmart.

Not seeing the relevance. They don't sell the full product line in these stores for the Watch. They do for the iPhone.
 
They sell the iPhone at Target and Walmart.

Not seeing the relevance. They don't sell the full product line in these stores for the Watch. They do for the iPhone.
Apple has been working to make the Apple Watch unique from its other devices.

Apple presented the Apple Watch as being "high end", able to compete with the finest watches coming out of Switzerland. They went to great lengths to make the purchasing experience "special". That is inconsistent with selling the Apple Watch at Target.
 
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Really - I'm making up issues? Since I haven't actually told you why I need multi-day battery life - I find this somewhat arrogant of you.

I go on multi-day trips.. longer than an apple watch would last, without going near electric outlets. "Take external battery with you", you say. Err... No... space is an absolute premium.. more important items than external batteries to power a damn watch! ( Better water proofing would also help - but is adequate at the moment - something I'd think Apple still sort out in v2 ).

Keep on the "But your making up reasons" line... I don't care! My requirements do not fit the limited life of an Apple Watch... plus *personal preferences*.

Like I said, I'm glad you are enjoying your watch, but you cannot expect everyone to feel the same way... for any product, even an Apple product. Apple Watch does not suit everyone... for me, the limited battery life is an absolute issue. Don't like my view - because it seems that way.. tough - it will not change for the reasons I've given. Get on with your life - you have more important things to worry about than some random person on a forum disliking the life of a watch battery!

Lol!!!!!!!
Well, IF your scenario is true (HIGHLY doubtful), since supposedly you're off in the wilderness with no electricity, but some weird need for tech gadgets while you're there.... ummmm, since the MANDITORY iPhone companion device is NOT multiple day battery life either, how exactly were you planning on using the watch anyways????
You're getting just a bit silly.
 
Believe me or not - i don't care - take it leave it. The Apple Watch functions as a watch without an iPhone and, an iPhone is 100% mandatory for basic functionality.

I take a GPS with me for convenience - rather than always having to reference a physical map and compass - ( with spare batteries of course, shared between other items ) - thats a tech gadget - no? A watch on wrist is easier for time keeping than GPS ( which isn't always readily accessible ).

The efforts that people go to convince me that because functionality of the apple watch is good enough for them, should also be good enough for me / everyone else! Astounding!

Lol!!!!!!!
Well, IF your scenario is true (HIGHLY doubtful), since supposedly you're off in the wilderness with no electricity, but some weird need for tech gadgets while you're there.... ummmm, since the MANDITORY iPhone companion device is NOT multiple day battery life either, how exactly were you planning on using the watch anyways????
You're getting just a bit silly.
 
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I agree. However it seems that she is very well hidden in the background unlike Ron Johnson. This is really not the first time that Apple has offered 'buy this and get this other option'. Just the first time within Apple's other categories. If we start seeing discounts for bands with a watch purchase, then maybe sales aren't really that good. Overall, I have been satisfied with my :apple:Watch.
Not sure if I like the direction Apple retail is taking. Certainly don't like the web store as it seems more difficult to navigate. Too much fluff....


Maybe for you...


Did you forget the /s tag?


Not gonna happen. The watch is a companion device. With current battery tech, not enough juice to be standalone. Not Apple's fault.

I concur . . . it's "non-traditional" for Apple but "traditional" for general retail to bundle items like this especially given that
the watch is still (despite a few third party apps) tied very much to the iPhone. Apple retail is definitely not what it "used to be" and they may be testing the waters for price changes, holiday specials, etc. While the mention of a Watch 2 coming was the object of much "laughter" here, it is not unreasonable to think that they may in fact be quietly moving excess inventory (along with the aforementioned possibilities) in advance of an eventual announcement re: an upgrade next year. Could be all tied together. As to whether it is a "flop", it is still very difficult to discern given that it is still considered an "accessory" by Apple and who knows what criterion they use to consider an item like this a flop or if they have even developed a criterion yet given the new market.

All that being said, I am happy I have the watch and I rarely have to pull out my iPhone for more mundane tasks . . . has proven very useful to me for diverse reasons. Wished I had access to this special a few months back as I just bought my son a new iPhone and was planning on getting him a lower priced Sports model for Christmas. Oh well.
 
Apple has been working to make the Apple Watch unique from its other devices.

Apple presented the Apple Watch as being "high end", able to compete with the finest watches coming out of Switzerland. They went to great lengths to make the purchasing experience "special". That is inconsistent with selling the Apple Watch at Target.

I really think the audience for the "special" experience was people buying the Edition or one of the pricier SS watch options. I doubt anyone legitimately thought a sub-500 USD watch was "exclusive" in any way.
 
I really think the audience for the "special" experience was people buying the Edition or one of the pricier SS watch options. I doubt anyone legitimately thought a sub-500 USD watch was "exclusive" in any way.
People buying the Edition were indeed treated more special, but Apple repeatedly talked about how the overall purchase experience the Apple Watch (even the Sport model) was to be special. In the end, it doesn't matter if anyone bought into Apple's narrative, the point is, Apple wrote that narrative and that is inconsistent with selling the Apple Watch in Target.
 
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