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Not just the price....I have 500 and opted for a classic mechanical watch this year for around $400. Tried a demo in store and went this is just not replacing anything for me.

I have heard you can sneak notifications on watch in meetings and such. Do that already....Ipad mini tethering to phone to bypass company wireless blocks. Little notification come up as I take notes and such. Also just me maybe...but looking at a watch is less than subtle. Why I like my mini....nose in that minute one and writing notes. Am I always in it taking notes? Will plead the 5th to that. Looks a hell of a lot less obvious than extend arm, flip wrist, seconds to read watch.

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For me someone in the audience or meeting participant group looking at their watch indicates they are late, you are running out of time, or..... so now we add notification/text/whatever watch wearer review?
More and more distractions. :confused:
 
People buying the Edition were indeed treated more special, but Apple repeatedly talked about how the overall purchase experience the Apple Watch (even the Sport model) was to be special. In the end, it doesn't matter if anyone bought into Apple's narrative, the point is, Apple wrote that narrative and that is inconsistent with selling the Apple Watch in Target.

And I bet the people buying the Edition version won't be wearing it in 6 months, or very intermittently if at all. The target audience for the Edition is one with lots of disposable money. Watch wearers with disposable money aren't just married to one watch and usually have many other option, many of which are more expensive than the Edition, more exclusive, and more classy. The Apple Watch will be a passing novelty to them.
 
People buying the Edition were indeed treated more special, but Apple repeatedly talked about how the overall purchase experience the Apple Watch (even the Sport model) was to be special. In the end, it doesn't matter if anyone bought into Apple's narrative, the point is, Apple wrote that narrative and that is inconsistent with selling the Apple Watch in Target.
It's more than just that. Apple continues to position it as the most personal product they've ever sold. Their entire selling model is direct one-on-one experience, from requiring appointments at the launch, as they still do today (albeit they are not as hard to get, still I was kept waiting almost 30 minutes in the Apple Store after requesting one upon my arrival). This is regardless of whether it's a Sport or an Edition, which are the exact same watch inside the case. So this class distinction thing about Target doesn't change the fact that they're still selling a product in Target that's essentially the same as being sold everywhere else. The only thing that differentiates the stainless steel watch Target is selling is the quality of the band. And that $600 watch is also $375 more than any other watch Target sells in their brick & mortar stores. So will the customer get the same experience in Target they will anywhere else? Even a Best Buy? Not likely. Just because Apple charges less for the Sport and some stainless, that means they are no longer worthy of the level of service of the stainless models with nicer bands? And yet they're exactly the same watches they sell at luxury fashion boutiques Maxfield and Colette where the emphasis on service is paramount, whether you're buying a Sport Watch that costs $350 or $17,000.

In the end its hypocrisy which I know Apple is not immune from, but still ... I don't have a problem with them selling the watch everywhere, as long as the sales experience lives up to Apple's established and much touted guidelines. Sell them at Target, but staff the stores with Apple trained employees who will offer the customer buying the $350 Sport the same level of attention as the customer buying that exact same watch at an Apple Store. But that's not what they've done. They've feverishly dump the excess inventory into the same discount hopper as all the other electronics Target sells, sold by the same understaffed, over-worked, minimum-wage earning, untrained, slack-jawed yocals who can't seem to even keep the other Apple displays clean and orderly, much less answer your questions coherently.
 
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Believe me or not - i don't care - take it leave it. The Apple Watch functions as a watch without an iPhone and, an iPhone is 100% mandatory for basic functionality.

I take a GPS with me for convenience - rather than always having to reference a physical map and compass - ( with spare batteries of course, shared between other items ) - thats a tech gadget - no? A watch on wrist is easier for time keeping than GPS ( which isn't always readily accessible ).

The efforts that people go to convince me that because functionality of the apple watch is good enough for them, should also be good enough for me / everyone else! Astounding!

And yet, you're WRONG Again; yet, are smug about it again.
The watch has plenty of functionality, on its own without the phone.
If you have a LTE mobile hotspot on you when you travel (not even a Iphone), it also has network capability.
The GPS is the only thing that absolutely needs a Iphone.

So, again using an argument that's not correct and not even needed to build your case.

We wouldn't bother trying to convince you of ANYTHING if your argument was actually cohesive.
Your initial argument was dismissive without a proper justification; simple as that.

You can say it's not right for you, and that's it. Yet, you go way way beyond that. Not even sure why.
 
Find me one article or Apple claim that it would be equal to the iPhone in profit.

Things like the iPhone happen once in a generation. That product completely transformed Apple and came 10 years after Steve Jobs' return. Expecting Tim Cook to replicate it in 4 years was unrealistic. That said, under Tim Cook Apple's revenues have tripled and will soon exceed the entire revenue during both of Steve Jobs' tenures as CEO.

Apple Watch is a good product and a good long term investment for the company. Wearables may eventually replace phones and it's better for Apple to be in this space than on the outside looking in. They outsell every other wearable and are learning valuable lessons in the meantime.
Agreed!!!!
iPhone DEFINITELY creates the lion's share of Apple's profits....
Obviously, an optional companion device, with a lower price than the main device doesn't even mathematically have the possibility of creating the same revenue, lol.
People trying to claim that Apple was unaware of this obvious fact are being ludicrous.
Believe me or not - i don't care - take it leave it. The Apple Watch functions as a watch without an iPhone and, an iPhone is 100% mandatory for basic functionality.

I take a GPS with me for convenience - rather than always having to reference a physical map and compass - ( with spare batteries of course, shared between other items ) - thats a tech gadget - no? A watch on wrist is easier for time keeping than GPS ( which isn't always readily accessible ).

The efforts that people go to convince me that because functionality of the apple watch is good enough for them, should also be good enough for me / everyone else! Astounding!

hahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Omg, soooooo.... an external battery was a bad idea because space is too much "@ a premium", but you go on to say that you carry back up batteries for your gps "of course"???!
Hahahahahaha....
You will NEVER convince me that you're not being purposefully obstinate now.
Sorry Charlie, painted yourself into a bit of a corner there credibility-wise. =P
 
Does iWatch still require an iPhone to use it or did they fix that issue?

Not an issue, actually.

To me that statement sounds as absurd as someone saying: "do you still need to have a shirt on to wear a tie; or did they fix that issue?".
 
Funny how a lot of the people that say Samsung's whatever is flopping because they have to do paired discounts/freebies don't say the same thing when Apple does it...

Strange huh?

The paired discounts/freebies you're talking about regarding Samsung involved "buy one get one free" types of deals. By comparison, the "discount" on the Watch isn't really much of a discount. Even for the cheapest model, the Sport, the discount is less than 20%. It's actually around 15%. If this discount was in response to poor sales, Apple is doing a really bad job of trying to reverse the trend because the discount is pitiful.
 
Is this seriously a big deal? I have to charge mine every night but I haven't gone through a single day where I near losing power.

Yes, it is!

At the end of the day this is a watch, and you can only wear "one" watch at a time on your wrist. And I don't like to worry about charging my everyday watch every night, not to forget about taking the charger with me if I'm travelling and etc.

Today, it's not convenient for me yet.
And it's not a rocket science, it's called 'personal preference'..
 
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Who buys these things? A watch that you have to charge daily when you can just use your phone lol.
people that work with their hands? I work in a warehouse and there are times when there is a solid 8 hours where you are constantly unloading boxes and unpacking things. We dont all sit in cubicles with a carpel-tunnel brace on typing away with our phones next to us.

I can take calls from it, respond to texts, and stay in the loop while my phone sits in my locker.
 
people that work with their hands? I work in a warehouse and there are times when there is a solid 8 hours where you are constantly unloading boxes and unpacking things. We dont all sit in cubicles with a carpel-tunnel brace on typing away with our phones next to us.

I can take calls from it, respond to texts, and stay in the loop while my phone sits in my locker.
You type on a 2" screen? ok. I still wouldn't see the appeal in these devices.
 
Strange how you misrepresent something that's totally different.
Not so strange how biased you are....

What Samsung is selling things is often unrelated.
They're also basically GIVING THEM AWAY.
YOU KNOW near $0... See the diff... Need a calculator?

Is $50 dollar off, giving the product away? I don't think so?
Also, Does that apply to sales everywhere? No.

It's basically a promotion to get the people inside the store where they can actually try the product on.
Trial of the watch has already been proven to promote sales.

Pot, meet kettle.

I feel sorry that you fall for the "Apple is the best EVAR!" crap...

Until they break out Watch sales. No one has any proof it isn't a flop. I see so few of them, even on a college campus with kids that have money to blow on beats headphones and expensive clothes. I see about 10 FitBits or more for every 1 Apple Watch.

Surprisingly normal people seem to have figured out that the Watch is way overpriced for what it is capable of and are not falling for the same marketing you are.
 
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What we know from Apple's 10-K is that Apple has sold at least $1.7 billion related to the Apple Watch, and likely more since Tim Cook said it sold better in the September quarter than the June quarter, and Luca Maestri said it accounted for well over the $900 million increase in "Other" sales in the June quarter. That's more than the iPhone sold in its first 6 months.

Yes, all the people saying it's a flop seem to be completely ignorant of the very solid analysis out there.
 
People buying the Edition were indeed treated more special, but Apple repeatedly talked about how the overall purchase experience the Apple Watch (even the Sport model) was to be special. In the end, it doesn't matter if anyone bought into Apple's narrative, the point is, Apple wrote that narrative and that is inconsistent with selling the Apple Watch in Target.

I guess I see your point, but really... the "special" thing was the introduction of the Apple Watch. Anyone who wanted (or still wants) that experience need only visit and Apple store to get it.

If you just want to grab an extra AWS because your granny needs a gift and she likes to track her exercise and keep up with FB Messenger? Why not drop in Target and grab one?

There are very few TRULY exclusive items in the world. I mean, you can buy a Rolex in a pawn shop or online through a 3rd party, but that doesn't mean that Rolex doesn't make high-end watches, right?
 
I guess I see your point, but really... the "special" thing was the introduction of the Apple Watch. Anyone who wanted (or still wants) that experience need only visit and Apple store to get it.

If you just want to grab an extra AWS because your granny needs a gift and she likes to track her exercise and keep up with FB Messenger? Why not drop in Target and grab one?

No, anyone who wants the experience can't always drive to the nearest Apple Store, especially when that store is hundreds of miles away.

If Target is truly just a warehouse for people to pick up an Watch sight unseen as a gift while they're shopping for housewares, or groceries, then that's great. The problem I have with it, as I'm assuming racer does, is that Target is replacing the Apple Store in markets were there are none. Also, Target is generally in the same markets where customers will also find a Best Buy, and probably a Sprint or T-Mobile store where the non-carrier specific watches are also sold. And there are also online retailers who will gladly ship to the customer without charging shipping or tax (B&H Photo) which can serve the function of delivering a gift straight to a customer's door. And in those markets where there's already another retailer, those other merchants will also likely offer a much better experience to the customer who needs to try on the watch and understand how it will work for them. Target may just as likely cost Apple as sale as luck into selling it, especially when it's $250 more than any other watch they offer in store, and more than an iPad mini 4, or depending on the model an iPad Air 2.

People who pick up a Rolex at Costco, are doing so because they are just using it as a warehouse. Those customers already know what it is and what it does. Target appears to be replacing the jewelry store model Apple has adopted to showcase the watch, for customers who have no idea what the Watch is, or how they would fit it into their lives. Customers who don't already know their wrist size, of which model will look best on their wrist. I shudder to imagine the useless sales staff at Target with a Stainless Sport box opened up and contents splayed across a cheap counter full of Casio and Timex watches, trying to figure out how the Sport band tucks under the strap, on a wrist that's too large.

Target as warehouse, fine. Target as showroom -- disaster.
 
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