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I agree. Also wearables won't take off because consumers don't have the appetite for yet another screen to buy and upgrade. We already have TVs that we upgrade every 5-10 years, desktops/laptops (sometimes more than one) that we upgrade every 2-5 years, tablets that we upgrade every 2-3 years, and smartphones that we upgrade every 2 years. And electronics companies think they can sell us another screen? No thank you.
Who upgrades a TV every 5 years? I use mine until it konks out. Tablets seem to be on a 4 year replacement cycle. As for watches, I don't think anyone has figured out the replacement cycle yet since they haven't been out long enough.
 
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That means more discounts by Black Friday. This is not the usual Apple giving discount so maybe this holiday an additional $50 Apple gift card.
 
Hate to say it, but this is an easy way for Apple to move their stock of Apple Watches; they're clearly not selling.

It was a nice idea to see if Apple could make a success of wearables; they could hardly know that it was going to become Newton 2.0.

Regardless of its failure, I'm glad that it has brought so much joy to many here at MacRumors; long may they enjoy their Apple Watches.

The Watches do have some value though. So don't write them off as Newton 2.0 - even if the second gen watches are dumped under "accessories" on the iPhone page, sell for $200, and are only "Sport" watches.

Then again, I simply cannot believe the team had any doubt the Watch would be as successful as others from the iPod, iPhone, iPad run... If there was some doubt, they could have introduced it as a low-key product, like the iPad launch. "People say this gap in the market exists, and we think we have a product that fills it". Instead, they introduced it as a new flagship product (like the iPhone): "We're going to make history, here is an amazing product you will absolutely love!"

Then again, I don't own an Apple Watch. It's a first gen product. Look at the Mac in the beginning. Or the iPhone. Most people seem disappointed with the Watch because of it's reliance on iPhone. It's "If I've got to have my phone on me anyway, why do I need the watch?" Not many doubt its usefulness.
 
Who upgrades a TV every 5 years? I use mine until it konks out. Tablets seem to be on a 4 year replacement cycle. As for watches, I don't think anyone has figured out the replacement cycle yet since they haven't been out long enough.

The point wasn't about precise replacement cycles, the point was that we already have lots of screens with a replacement cycle of some kind. I count 4 major types of screens that are at or near saturation now, at least in the major markets. I don't think consumers have the appetite for a 5th screen to buy/use/upgrade.
 
Well, this says it all. Tim's largest blunder other than the acquisition of Beats. :apple:

Interesting "blunder" that has sold at least $1.7 billion in six months. And I'm enjoying mine quite nicely, thank you. Used it to tell Siri to turn off my Hue lights last night. Bought my lunch with it today. It tracks my activities, provides quick access to reminders, and quick glances at emails and messages. Unlocks my door when I get home. Wakes me up in the morning. Tells me time and weather with a glance at my wrist. And it will only get better from here.
 
Yeah, or they would have lowered the price across the board at the September event.

Odd to think if they did that most people (including myself) would immediately think "Oh, the Watch isn't selling" and judge Apple harshly for it, even though they dropped the iPhone's price by $200 in September 2007, and that product clearly didn't fail.
Heh, the iPhone surely was doomed wasn't it. Heck Steve Jobs even sent out a press release announcing the price reduction.

Every year people complain about Apple's lame Black Friday discounts yet this is somehow a bad sign because Apple doesn't do discounts. What do you want people?
 
Interesting "blunder" that has sold at least $1.7 billion in six months. And I'm enjoying mine quite nicely, thank you. Used it to tell Siri to turn off my Hue lights last night. Bought my lunch with it today. It tracks my activities, provides quick access to reminders, and quick glances at emails and messages. Unlocks my door when I get home. Wakes me up in the morning. Tells me time and weather with a glance at my wrist. And it will only get better from here.
So pretty much everything your iPhone already does for you.
 
Must be less than stellar sales. Apple wouldn't do this with any of their big name items. It's basically a 15% off sale for the Sport female version.
 
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Heh, the iPhone surely was doomed wasn't it. Heck Steve Jobs even sent out a press release announcing the price reduction.

Every year people complain about Apple's lame Black Friday discounts yet this is somehow a bad sign because Apple doesn't do discounts. What do you want people?

Exactly! My gut reaction to a Watch price drop would be "Oh crap, the first entirely post-Jobs product is failing" even though when I stop and think it through for a moment, that isn't the case.

When I really stop and think about it, I can't help but consider most people's main objection to the Watch: "If you need your phone with you for it to work, why do you need the Watch?"

That sounds like it would be a much easier sell if it was dependent of iPhone (or at least, as dependent as an iPod classic is from a PC).

It's all guesswork anyway as we don't know actual sales numbers. If they sold >3million in 80 days, it beat the iPad launch. If it beat 700,000 on opening weekend, it beat the iPhone launch.
 
I'm confused...why are they offering this promotion only in select stores in the Bay Area and Boston metro? I don't recall Apple stores ever doing local promotions like this before.

Seems like a good way to piss off customers who happen to be in the market for an iPhone and an Apple Watch and have their pick of several Apple stores but don't know about this promo, don't go to a store that's participating in the deal, and find out about the deal after the purchase is made at another store.
 
A very un-Apple like promotion.
BECAUSE THE APPLE WATCH IS A FAILURE!!!!

Apple is doing what ever it can to get rid of the surplus. No one is buying it. Terrible marketing, fake expectations. Apple was arrogant to the highest stupidity level ever, they acted if that what ever crap thei put together would be sell like rice because... "is Apple". And no! is a lame piece of crap.
 
For v1 the watch is ok. It's too slow, and needs to run on its own for some things. V2 or V3 will be very good I think.
 
The Apple Watch may not sell well, I can't argue that if it's a fact. But all I know is I really enjoy mine. I think their barrier they need to break here is cost. You can get much larger and more capable (in different uses, yes) for the same price. There's no reason a device this small should be iPad prices. Drop the price to the 200 mark and I guarantee sells would increase pretty significantly. Maybe they're testing the market. But as of right now, and I say this as a purchaser and owner, it's overpriced.
 
BECAUSE THE APPLE WATCH IS A FAILURE!!!!

Apple is doing what ever it can to get rid of the surplus. No one is buying it. Terrible marketing, fake expectations. Apple was arrogant to the highest stupidity level ever, they acted if that what ever crap thei put together would be sell like rice because... "is Apple". And no! is a lame piece of crap.
Yep if you type in all caps that makes it so much more believable. :rolleyes:

Exactly! My gut reaction to a Watch price drop would be "Oh crap, the first entirely post-Jobs product is failing" even though when I stop and think it through for a moment, that isn't the case.

When I really stop and think about it, I can't help but consider most people's main objection to the Watch: "If you need your phone with you for it to work, why do you need the Watch?"

That sounds like it would be a much easier sell if it was dependent of iPhone (or at least, as dependent as an iPod classic is from a PC).

It's all guesswork anyway as we don't know actual sales numbers. If they sold >3million in 80 days, it beat the iPad launch. If it beat 700,000 on opening weekend, it beat the iPhone launch.

Bottom line is there's nothing Apple could say or do that would make this product NOT a failure in some people's eyes. Yet look at Apple's 10-K filing and Watch sales are at least $1.7B so far. I'm sure there are A LOT of companies that would love to have a billion dollar product.

Desperate times call for desperate measures
Right, that's why it's not available at any Apple Store in my state.
 
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The point wasn't about precise replacement cycles, the point was that we already have lots of screens with a replacement cycle of some kind. I count 4 major types of screens that are at or near saturation now, at least in the major markets. I don't think consumers have the appetite for a 5th screen to buy/use/upgrade.
Why not? Lots of people have FitBits, etc. This doesn't need to be a blockbuster product. It just needs to sell well enough to a large enough group of people.
 
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