someone should tell them that the high price doesnt make the product any better than it is. the quality is so bad nowadays that they should half the prices. if apple wasnt an american company, it wouldnt exist nowadays.
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Apple Offering $700 Kit to Add Wheels to the Mac Pro
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someone should tell them that the high price doesnt make the product any better than it is. the quality is so bad nowadays that they should half the prices. if apple wasnt an american company, it wouldnt exist nowadays.
What a load of whining.
Don't want them? Don't buy them.
I'm sure a third party will come up with something.
Don't want them? Don't buy them.
I'm sure a third party will come up with something.
I wasn't even aware there was a competition? How do I enter?
Apple has always been a 'luxury goods company'. The Apple Watch, and now the New New Mac Pro make it more obvious. They are the Häagen-Dazs of the computer industry. Always have been. They just need more money because Steve isn't around working for free anymore. *shrug*
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They've got a lot of expenses now. The Spaceship HQ, many layers of management, lawsuits, etc...
Oh I would never call this price gouging at all, it's simply capitalism. If there is a market for it and they can profit off of it, then I don't blame Apple in the least for their pricing. If anything, as a stock holder, I applaud it.
Good point! I suspect a marketing video could deduce that as streamlining for increased performance...
Can't do that - lowering the prices would mean that the Emperor has no clothes.
And then what would happen to Timmy's stock options?...........
I think it comes down to our sense of "intrinsic value" when it is applied to the physical world (in this case something to purchase) instead of just concepts like "love" or "friendship." And while that application of intrinsic value is largely subjective there are some levels of simple absurdity. The other day I was looking at jars of pasta sauce and one brand was almost $10 a jar. Now, for me, that's so far beyond what any jar of pasta sauce could ever be worth that it's downright ludicrous. I mean, that pasta sauce could make me go all fizzy in the nether regions, and it still could never, ever, be worth $10 to me. It's pasta sauce. It's worth like $3, maybe $4 if it's really good and doesn't have any damn sweeteners of any kind to make my pasta taste like candy. Eeewwww. So when it comes down to the Apple Wheels? I think most people will find it outrageous because fundamentally this is a set of casters. Just a set of casters. A nice set of casters yes, but still a set of casters. A set of casters, no matter how nice, can never, ever be worth more than a tiny portion of what Apple's asking. Mind you, I daily-drive and do amateur-motorsports in a vintage Porsche (a poor-man's model - the 912E, so the least valuable 911 variant ever made), and I fully understand what truly excellent design and build quality bring. But is it worth, say, 107 billion dollars? Nope, it's worth, technically, maybe 20K if I'm lucky, and I probably wouldn't part with it for even double that if asked, but no car ever could be 107 billion dollars, because even the greatest of cars are still cars, and a car can't be worth that much. Casters can't be worth anything close to $700, that's just bat-pooooo crazy.
I think part of the problem is people don't understand what the Mac Pro is for. For those who have to "save up" to buy this computer $699 is outrageous. The target audience will likely spend about 25K for the Mac Pro and 6K for the monitor. They don't care if the wheels cost $699.
Now if someone is trying to save up so they can feel cool by owning the top of the line Mac then yeah I can understand. To those people I say wait a bit and get it second hand. Buy this thing used from some other poor sap that spent all his money trying to feel cool and then needed money for rent.
Now if someone is trying to save up so they can feel cool by owning the top of the line Mac then yeah I can understand. To those people I say wait a bit and get it second hand. Buy this thing used from some other poor sap that spent all his money trying to feel cool and then needed money for rent.
I know all about tires, and that’s a very broad and often wrong generalization. An MB C-class wears 225/45R18’s up front, narrower than your average Camry, and A-class comes with 205/55R17’s, which is practically a bicycle tire. And no, you don’t need to buy overpriced tires from MB, so bragging about a Benz doesn’t necessarily imply your tires are expensive. Tire rack will do just fine, which is how I put 255/35(Z)R19’s on my ride. Without specifying the model, or even AMG, it sounds more like a weak boast than someone making a knowledgeable point about tires and how much they cost.
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I don't know about 0.01%ers but it's a small market. Why advertise? Why are there advertisements for cars that cost a quarter of a million dollars? Why are there ads for 100 million dollar aircraft? Because the company wants to sell their product perhaps. See the cool thing about advertisements is just because you see it doesn't mean you're the only one. Other people see them too... Shocking I know but it's true. So when you see that ad for a passenger jet or even a Mac Pro and think "why am I seeing this?... I don't need this" remember other people can see it too!
Look, you were the one who asked the question, using strong language whose subtext was to suggest that such a relationship was ridiculous:
I responded with reasonable language saying it's not ridiculous -- there can be a relationship:
Note my deliberate and careful use of the word "tend", which explictly means that this is a broad generalization.
Indeed, my mild statement is really no different from saying that more expensive cars tend to have more expensive components, and larger tires do tend to be more expensive.
So now, in response, you're complaining that what I presented as a generalization is -- what -- a generalization??
Of course you can always find exceptions. For instance, you can find exceptions to my statement that larger tires tend to be more expensive -- I'm sure you can find a small tire of a particular model that is more expensive than a larger tire of a different model. Does that invalidate the generalization? No, that's the nature of generalizations.
This could be tested rigorously by actually getting the tire sizes for every model of every passenger vehicle, plotting them against vehicle price, and seeing if there is a relationship that is statistically significant.
But I don't think even that would satisfy you -- I'm thinking you were just in the mood to start a fight.
Plus your MB C-Class vs. Toyota Camry comparison was dishonest, since the former has staggered tire sizes, and you deliberately omitted mentioning the rear tires on the C-class, which are larger and lower-profile. The 2020 Camry has four tire sizes. I'd put the LE as the average, especially weighted based on sales. Comparing buying tires for the 2020 Camry LE vs. the MB C300, the C300 is more expensive. Not a lot more, but using Tire Rack prices for a Pure Contact LS (chosen because it's available in sizes for both cars, and is a solid middle-of-the-road brand) it's $590 for the Camry LE and and $680 for the C300. Going to the higher end in both Toyota and Mercedes will inflate the differences.
Finally, the appearance of larger wheels in mid-market cars is a newer phenonmenon. For those that are replacing tires on older cars, the difference in tire size between Mercedes and Toyota is more striking than it is for the new ones.
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I agree. I was somewhat forced to buy a PC last January (primary intended to flight simulator and photo/video editing) and I spent about 2800€ on it. I was looking for a $2999 Mac Pro (but ready to spend even more) that Apple didn’t sell. The actual Mac Pro is intended for a totally different target, so I jumped ship, at least for the desktop.Knowing Apple, I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t making much profit off those wheels and they were just made in some ridiculous extremely expensive manner. Like milled out of a single piece of metal by some artisan craftsman lol.
the funny part about the Mac Pro is the “stop complaining because you’re poor” people. like yeah I guess there’s a certain level of affluence you have to reach before a $400 wheel option is a “**** it” decision.
to me just buying the base model at $6000 would be an enormous purchase. Could I do it? Sure! I do have the money in the bank. It’s not even “eating ramen for the next few months” money. Although I think it’s be idiotic to spend that kind of money on a computer i dont Need with the economy the way it is right now lol.
like my current desktop cost me about $3k to build and it is more than fine for my needs lol. Hell I thought dumping $500 into a case was audacious
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I’m driving a BMW.
There is value in it, even if the price is high.
I won’t buy it for sure, because even if you are a professional who can make money out of a Mac Pro, to spend that amount for a set of wheels is IMHO idiotic.
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Here we are not speaking about Mac Pro and its target. Here we are speaking about a ridiculously priced set of wheels.
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That’s my point. Even if you are a company that needs a $10000 Mac Pro to make real profits, it has no sense in wasting $600 for a set of wheels.
The current Mac Pro is more like a Rolls Royce than a BMW. For those who enjoy the finer things in life. The MacBook Pro is more like a BMW. It costs $2500 when the equivalent Dell is $1500-2000. But normal people can afford it.
I think this whole thing is asinine and stupid. Fine. Use a $1000 motherboard if you wish. It's sounding more and more like they could've built and sold the base model with the same performance for $3000-ish if they skipped the Gucci case and the Prada wheels.
For that level of thinking, I'll flip apple the middle finger. They should've sold the current Mac pro as the "Mac Pro Edition" and gave us peons a more reasonable option.
Hell, as an Edition, they could dip the chrome with gold.
i would imagine those that buy the wheels don’t consider it a waste - they might consider it expensive, but if it does what they need (eg make the Mac pro more mobile in a lab setting) it’s about whether they can justify the cost for the benefit.