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Missing Kensington lock? :confused:

I KNEW someone would get me for that one. Ok, kensington cable with connector that fits into the hole on the AluBook without an adapter.

Better? :cool:

Edit/Nitpick :
The quoted Apple Page mentions the Kensington Lock Hole. The thing that goes in is the... Kensington lock. Making my posting the correct one.
/Nitpick
 
But why would they ? Using Mini-DP - even a VESA approved one - would immediately exclude easy connectivity to the majority of existing hardware already out there with regular DP.

Again, there's no appreciable size advantage. A regular DP port is slightly wider, and slightly shorter than a USB port. Compared to Mini-DP, it is about 50% wider but with essentially the same vertical dimension.

In short, there's no incentive for anyone (except Apple) to use Micro-DP instead of DP, and several disincentives for doing so.

What existing hardware? DisplayPort is so rarely used these days it might as well not even have existed before Apple grabbed it up. I've never seen a piece of mainstream equipment of any type with DisplayPort on it (though I've heard rumors).

As an earlier poster mentioned, this is the perfect time, before there is a "majority of existing hardware already out there with regular DP." There isn't hardware already out there that's going to be an issue.

I KNEW someone would get me for that one. Ok, kensington cable with connector that fits into the hole on the AluBook without an adapter.

Better? :cool:

Not really. Any lock cable that's made to the Kensington specifications will fit in the AluBooks without an adaptor or any modifications. What you're talking about is FUD that was spread by early misinformation. Read Kensington's own statements on the issue.

jW
 
Rubbish. A Displayport port is a touch larger than a USB port. As can be seen from the picture here, it could fit in place of the mini-DP just by placing the audio connectors slightly closer together.

Oddly enough, that picture doesn't include all of the trace re-routing that would be required to fit a larger connector in that space, and "place the audio connectors slightly closer together".

Physical room on the *outside* does not necessarily indicate physical room on the *inside*.
 
I KNEW someone would get me for that one. Ok, kensington cable with connector that fits into the hole on the AluBook without an adapter.

Better? :cool:

Edit/Nitpick :
The quoted Apple Page mentions the Kensington Lock Hole. The thing that goes in is the... Kensington lock. Making my posting the correct one.
/Nitpick

What, Apple have got a non-standard, standard lock hole on the new MacBooks?

Not really. Any lock cable that's made to the Kensington specifications will fit in the AluBooks without an adaptor or any modifications. What you're talking about is FUD that was spread by early misinformation. Read Kensington's own statements on the issue.


Oh, they haven't after all. :p
 
Still strikes me as backwards. Why not work with other manufacturers first to develop a standard, instead of coming up with one and hoping it gets picked up? Maybe someone smarter than me can explain this way of thinking.


I think this reason along with what happened with FW400 and now Sony's Blu Ray would be a big driving factor to get this std out.

Steve, "Oh crap, um, Is anyone else using this miniport?"
 
One thing that strikes me with DisplayPort is how small it is... and yes, I'm talking about DisplayPort and not just the Apple's mini version. Normal DisplayPort would easily fit into any new Mac laptop. Its starting to look like that Apple is trying to force the new LED display on new Mac laptop owners...

I understand that some future ultra small tablet Mac might need smaller port then the standard DisplayPort. However, currently there isn't one around so I don't see the point. As far as I can see standards based connector would benefit any laptop owner trying to connect their Mac to some random meeting room display/projector.
 
able that's made to the Kensington specifications will fit in the AluBooks without an adaptor or any modifications. What you're talking about is FUD that was spread by early misinformation. Read Kensington's own statements on the issue.

jW

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1808238&tstart=0

What 'bout this? And I bought a standard kensington lock.. fitted it to my friend's new MBP, and lo' and behold : it doesn't fit! (do we have to acquit)
 
wow...

Steve is clearly out of touch witht he world. is the mini version really that much smaller to even justify it at all? why make a different interface for a standard that is jsut emerging and finding it's place in teh world? why not use the perfectly good and rather small existing on (onlinly slightly bigger than a USB slot)? what could they possibly want to accomplish with this?

the only reason for making a version like this is either vendor lock (which doesnt make sense due to them opening up the licencing), or because you believe you have something to gain by making the change. so I ask you, what was gained?
 
Steve is clearly out of touch witht he world. is the mini version really that much smaller to even justify it at all? why make a different interface for a standard that is jsut emerging and finding it's place in teh world? why not use the perfectly good and rather small existing on (onlinly slightly bigger than a USB slot)? what could they possibly want to accomplish with this?

the only reason for making a version like this is either vendor lock (which doesnt make sense due to them opening up the licencing), or because you believe you have something to gain by making the change. so I ask you, what was gained?

so uh you have a problem with them releasing the specs for free? i dont see how this is negative at all

or is your issue with the fact apple used mini display port on the new computers? well guess what, they did. i for one am glad apple did this and i really dont see how one could argue otherwise
 
Originally Posted by tuc: I can see (maybe) why Apple wouldn't want locking connectors on its laptops, but it could have been handy for desktops.

Why?

Have you ever had problems with cables coming loose? I certainly have--especially so with Apple's stubby display adapters.

I would want locking connectors even on my laptops, but with Apple's investment in MagSafe I can understand an argument that they don't want locking connectors on their laptops, even if I disagree.

I guess the problem (from Apple's point of view) is that whether it latches or not is determined by the connector on the cable, not by the socket. If Apple had used vanilla DisplayPort on its macbooks, it better darn well would have had to accept a latching cable.
 
or is your issue with the fact apple used mini display port on the new computers? well guess what, they did. i for one am glad apple did this and i really dont see how one could argue otherwise

Easy... STANDARD DisplayPort would be much better. Standards mean better connectivity.
 
Easy... STANDARD DisplayPort would be much better. Standards mean better connectivity.

i agree they should have used the standard display port but that doesnt change the fact that apple used mini display port now doesnt it:rolleyes:

and because of that decision, how is it negative at all that they released the specs for free?
 
Funny, if I said something was "the new industry std"...why would I have to provide everyone else in the "industry" a license to use my port tech.? Or does Apple just mean their product industry? I guess that's why Steve said it, not me. :p
 
i agree they should have used the standard display port but that doesnt change the fact that apple used mini display port now doesnt it:rolleyes:

and because of that decision, how is it negative at all that they released the specs for free?

My concern is that releasing the specs for free just isn't enough. I'm not very confident that Mini DisplayPort will be accepted by other manufacturers. On desktops that wouldn't be huge issue but with laptops you don't want to be traveling with MB that connects only to one manufacturers displays.
 
My concern is that releasing the specs for free just isn't enough. I'm not very confident that Mini DisplayPort will be accepted by other manufacturers. On desktops that wouldn't be huge issue but with laptops you don't want to be traveling with MB that connects only to one manufacturers displays.

but you will still be able to connect to display port monitors with an adapter regardless

i read this move as allowing other companies to use this port on their computers OR other companies making display port adapters
 
Oddly enough, that picture doesn't include all of the trace re-routing that would be required to fit a larger connector in that space, and "place the audio connectors slightly closer together".

Physical room on the *outside* does not necessarily indicate physical room on the *inside*.

A headphone socket is a couple of wires and maybe a piece of fibre-optic cable. Just how much space do you think it needs ?
 
this is great news. so hopefully we'll see 3rd party connectors and stuff from this soon, so others can use the new display, and hopefully more new displays are coming at macworld
 
What existing hardware? DisplayPort is so rarely used these days it might as well not even have existed before Apple grabbed it up. I've never seen a piece of mainstream equipment of any type with DisplayPort on it (though I've heard rumors).

Most of the current "professional business" laptops from Dell (eg: Latitude E series), HP and IBM/Lenovo have Displayport, either built-in or on the docking station[0].

Dell have been selling Displayport-equipped monitors since the start of the year. Most of their high-end screens (24", 30") have it. Some other vendors (eg: Samsung) since last year.

The are several video cards already on the market with DisplayPort connectors.


As usual, Apple is late to the party but loudly trying to tell everyone they were really there first, just waiting around the back.

As an earlier poster mentioned, this is the perfect time, before there is a "majority of existing hardware already out there with regular DP." There isn't hardware already out there that's going to be an issue.

Of the hardware out there that already supports Displayport, the only models that have Mini-DP are three Apple laptops and a single high-end display. Ie: a minority.

Why would any screen vendor use Mini-DP when the only people who would potentially buy it are notoriously fickle Apple customers ?
Why would any video card vendor use Mini-DP when the only screens (sorry, the only screen)their card would be able to easily connect to is an expensive Apple one ? Similarly for laptop vendors.

Like I said. There are zero incentives for anyone except Apple to use Mini-DP and some quite tangible disincentives to doing so. This is true regardless of whether it's a VESA standard, or something Apple holds the rights to (the latter is just one more disincentive).


[0] Which brings up another gripe. Why the hell can't Apple make a docking station for their laptops like ever other serious vendor does ? Why do they bother with half-arsed, clumsy "solutions" like the octopus cable on the new LED 24" display ?
 
so uh you have a problem with them releasing the specs for free? i dont see how this is negative at all

or is your issue with the fact apple used mini display port on the new computers? well guess what, they did. i for one am glad apple did this and i really dont see how one could argue otherwise

i dont have a problem with them releasing it for free, i have a problem with them making it in the first place. Steve says he is scared to enter new unestablished market sectors, like having BlueRay in their machines, but they have no problem creating a modification to a standard that is still fresh out of the water, and hoping others addopt it? the lines of logic are flawed, thats where my issue lies.
 
i dont have a problem with them releasing it for free, i have a problem with them making it in the first place. Steve says he is scared to enter new unestablished market sectors, like having BlueRay in their machines, but they have no problem creating a modification to a standard that is still fresh out of the water, and hoping others addopt it? the lines of logic are flawed, thats where my issue lies.

i agree. they shouldnt have made mini dsiplay port to begin with
 
Apple has said that they will be integrating the Mini Display port into all future products.

Why can't we just stick with DVI? :(
 
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