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Apple Offering 'Free' Updates to All Owners of Aperture, iWork, and iLife; Not Worried About Unethical Users
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I don't understand this mentality. If a company is not fighting against piracy tooth and nail, you feel it is moral to pirate their wares?
Apple did not state that they don't care. Read the article again. Apple said that they believe their customers - customers with the dignity and class to have chosen Apple products in the first place - are fundamentally honest and will not take what is not theirs.
This is completely consistent with Apple's previous policies. For instance, for all the years when iWork and iLife were disks, they didn't require registration (well, I think iWork did, but you could use the same registration code on as many computers as you tried it on). Still, people bought the software legitimately, even buying "family packs" of the software to keep kosher with the stated licensing, even though there was nothing blocking violation of that license. Same with OS disks.
In the end, I'm glad Apple is taking this tact, eschewing obtrusive DRM and receipt-checking for a simple assumption of honesty. It makes life much easier for honest people. It doesn't, however, in any way excuse people being dishonest and stealing the software. There's a special place in hell for people who take advantage of someone else's assumption of honesty.
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Change your OS language to "English" and try again. It appears this has fixed the issue for a number of people.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18220293#post18220293
But I have cooled down a bit from the initial shock. They are total rewrites, and Apple seems to be on a rewrite kick the past couple years and stripping a lot of features seems to be a part of that process, with the features coming back in subsequent updates. I'll be fine.
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Lol now that's funny!
Let me translate his signature:
He is living in a dystopian future running iOS 19, and really wants to downgrade to the "classic" iOS 7 look, but there are fashion icons in this future who, at the tender age of just two years, are drunk off their asses and refusing to get spayed/neutered. Did I mention they are cats? Until those cats are properly assured kitten-free sex, he is sticking with his current iOS version. 'Cause that'll teach em!
... Or something like that, I think.
So do I. I'm just a little dismayed about missing functionality. Could you make that blink different colors? That would have been cool.
Shows dollar figures but ...
Update:
OK - I did get a bill for iWork, iPhoto and iMovie and I am exchanging email with Apple. Better let a few days go by before upgrading, especially if there is a dollar figure showing up in the App Store. I didn't mind paying for them (and if Apple did make them free, I am sure they will issue refunds, sine that kind of thing has happened before).
Heres what I had as of yesterday on Mac Pro early 2009. ALL of these upgraded for free (see note in last paragraph!).
Interestingly when I logged in to the App Store, they all had prices on them between $10 and $20 (except GarageBand said Free by the time I got around to upgrading the others). I boldly clicked on Buy since I was going to pay for Pages and Keynote anyway. The App Store app crunched for a couple of seconds and said that I already have those installed and did I want to upgrade - I said Yes and it asked for the AppleID and password again and installed it! Same with the others except GarageBand as I mentioned above. They are all showing up under Purchased items. The iWork apps installed in the Applications folder and left the previous versions in iWork 08 folder (under Applications). The really old pages documents dont open in the new version, but do open in the old version. So if you are worried about overwriting, create a folder and COPY (additional copy) under there before upgrading.
[All copyrights are Apples]
iWork 08
Pages 3.0.3 (Copyright 2007)
Numbers 1.0.3 (Copyright 2007)
Keynote 4.0.4 (Copyright 2007)
iPhoto 8.1.2 (Copyright 2002-2010)
iMovie 8.0.6 (Copyright 2007-2010)
GarageBand 5.1 ( Copyright 2009)
[I already have Aperture 3.x purchased, so I upgraded to 3.5 yesterday for free.]
Nothing above gives the impression Ill get a bill from Apple on my AppleID account, since the question was Do you want to upgrade, even though these were not purchased from App Store? (or something along those lines). I will follow up in a couple of days if I do get a bill!
(Ignore old OS version in signature ... I have Mavericks).
Update:
OK - I did get a bill for iWork, iPhoto and iMovie and I am exchanging email with Apple. Better let a few days go by before upgrading, especially if there is a dollar figure showing up in the App Store. I didn't mind paying for them (and if Apple did make them free, I am sure they will issue refunds, sine that kind of thing has happened before).
Heres what I had as of yesterday on Mac Pro early 2009. ALL of these upgraded for free (see note in last paragraph!).
Interestingly when I logged in to the App Store, they all had prices on them between $10 and $20 (except GarageBand said Free by the time I got around to upgrading the others). I boldly clicked on Buy since I was going to pay for Pages and Keynote anyway. The App Store app crunched for a couple of seconds and said that I already have those installed and did I want to upgrade - I said Yes and it asked for the AppleID and password again and installed it! Same with the others except GarageBand as I mentioned above. They are all showing up under Purchased items. The iWork apps installed in the Applications folder and left the previous versions in iWork 08 folder (under Applications). The really old pages documents dont open in the new version, but do open in the old version. So if you are worried about overwriting, create a folder and COPY (additional copy) under there before upgrading.
[All copyrights are Apples]
iWork 08
Pages 3.0.3 (Copyright 2007)
Numbers 1.0.3 (Copyright 2007)
Keynote 4.0.4 (Copyright 2007)
iPhoto 8.1.2 (Copyright 2002-2010)
iMovie 8.0.6 (Copyright 2007-2010)
GarageBand 5.1 ( Copyright 2009)
[I already have Aperture 3.x purchased, so I upgraded to 3.5 yesterday for free.]
Nothing above gives the impression Ill get a bill from Apple on my AppleID account, since the question was Do you want to upgrade, even though these were not purchased from App Store? (or something along those lines). I will follow up in a couple of days if I do get a bill!
(Ignore old OS version in signature ... I have Mavericks).
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Isn't Apple saintly?!
I mean, it couldn't be a business decision to maximize accessibility to Apple's control paid services and minimize fragmentation and cost for the company, could it?
Don't get me wrong, Apple could do worse. But to think that this was primarily a decision of the heart or ethics and not instead a reasonable (although likable) business decision is making Apple out to be something its not- an ethical organization with a heart. It's not. It's a corporation and its main goal is to make money, not friends, unless that makes them more money. Get it?
I mean, it couldn't be a business decision to maximize accessibility to Apple's control paid services and minimize fragmentation and cost for the company, could it?
Don't get me wrong, Apple could do worse. But to think that this was primarily a decision of the heart or ethics and not instead a reasonable (although likable) business decision is making Apple out to be something its not- an ethical organization with a heart. It's not. It's a corporation and its main goal is to make money, not friends, unless that makes them more money. Get it?
Good that they are trying to make the process easier. I gave up on Apple after some of the restrictive nonsense preventing upgrades to 10.6. Even though that was eventually sorted it still seemed like they were using the shift to online distribution as a method to lock out users and force new hardware upgrades.
Pretty insulting since I was actually even buying new hardware - I just wanted to also update older hardware so it could still function properly as well. Once it is end of life'd and no more updates come you start to see wonky things when just using it for web browsing.
So I just felt like they were stepping on anyone who wanted to keep some older hardware around and still use it. This then did not give me any confidence that any new hardware would still be fully functional for even basic web browsing after they eventually cease support. Not unless I install a different OS anyways. Since they seemed to be playing games with OS upgrades as well I could not even count on that being an option.
They have locked out hardware that is capable of running newer OS versions many times. They lock them out often just because a single non-crucial feature is not supported. With hacks people got them to run just fine (minus said feature) but you can't really rely on hacks for legacy hardware support. This is something that should be done by Apple. They could release a legacy version of a somewhat newer OS or simply allow installs with some features disabled. This could eventually increase sales by keeping legacy hardware relevant and of some value and thus increase the long term value of new hardware as well.
A person will still buy new hardware - the assumption that they won't has already been proven wrong. Those with the money and reason to buy a new computer will do so. Artificially junking older hardware that is still reasonably powerful is a poor long term marketing decision in my opinion
Pretty insulting since I was actually even buying new hardware - I just wanted to also update older hardware so it could still function properly as well. Once it is end of life'd and no more updates come you start to see wonky things when just using it for web browsing.
So I just felt like they were stepping on anyone who wanted to keep some older hardware around and still use it. This then did not give me any confidence that any new hardware would still be fully functional for even basic web browsing after they eventually cease support. Not unless I install a different OS anyways. Since they seemed to be playing games with OS upgrades as well I could not even count on that being an option.
They have locked out hardware that is capable of running newer OS versions many times. They lock them out often just because a single non-crucial feature is not supported. With hacks people got them to run just fine (minus said feature) but you can't really rely on hacks for legacy hardware support. This is something that should be done by Apple. They could release a legacy version of a somewhat newer OS or simply allow installs with some features disabled. This could eventually increase sales by keeping legacy hardware relevant and of some value and thus increase the long term value of new hardware as well.
A person will still buy new hardware - the assumption that they won't has already been proven wrong. Those with the money and reason to buy a new computer will do so. Artificially junking older hardware that is still reasonably powerful is a poor long term marketing decision in my opinion
Don't forget Adobe with their draconian anti-piracy stuff that any high school kid break in ten minutes, even before the launch of the official version and post on the web.
Hi there,
Seemed to have a couple of issues updating. Did anyone else see this happen?
Thx
Seemed to have a couple of issues updating. Did anyone else see this happen?
- Legitimate purchased iWork '09. I was able to update Pages, Keynote, Numbers but this process does not remove the old apps in 'iWork 09' folder under Applications. Is this normal?
- New iWork apps don't show up under 'Purchased'.
- I had Garageband, but it showed up as 'Free' on MAS, not 'Update'. When I did install it, MAS installed in in a folder called 'Garageband 6.0.5'. Is that normal?
Thx
The purpose of antipiracy stuff is not really to actually prevent access. Unless a developer has been locked in a closet for a few decades or is an idiot they should realize that breaking most of this stuff is trivially easy. The main purpose is for the lawyers to have a clear breach of the DMCA to use for prosecution. They make flimsy locks but breaking them is illegal.
Me too. ($20.99 for each app in the Australian App Store.)
Yeah I wonder if that's the case. The MacRumors article says 'Apple is intentionally allowing users with any version of Aperture, iLife and iWork installed on their system to upgrade to the latest versions on the Mac App Store'.
Can anyone with iWork '08 see the free upgrade??
Please calm down. If you read my previous posts regarding this I have a big issue with priacy. I always have paid for every single piece of software that was not freeware. My reference to Apple not caring was more in line with Apple not tracking down people who did not pay for a full copy of the software and then getting the free update. And my reference to people doing what they feel is the right thing, I was being sarcastic.
I wish that mine said that, when I click buy app it says that an older version is already installed but it says do you still want to buy. It doesn't mention anything about just installing it or upgrade or anything like that.
I should have waited.
I was the first on my block to upgrade to Mavericks the latest versions of Pages and Numbers. From the App Store, I paid $19.99 each. A couple hours later, I read that the upgrades should have been free. I contacted Apple Support, and they informed me that I was out of luck. All sales are final. That's a $38.98 penalty that I paid for being impatient. Had I waited, the App Store glitch would have been resolved and I wouldn't be eating only beans and rice this week. I still think that Apple should have refunded my payment, but there's nothing more I can do.
I was the first on my block to upgrade to Mavericks the latest versions of Pages and Numbers. From the App Store, I paid $19.99 each. A couple hours later, I read that the upgrades should have been free. I contacted Apple Support, and they informed me that I was out of luck. All sales are final. That's a $38.98 penalty that I paid for being impatient. Had I waited, the App Store glitch would have been resolved and I wouldn't be eating only beans and rice this week. I still think that Apple should have refunded my payment, but there's nothing more I can do.
You're not the only one.
Maybe done to give the opportunity to test the new App or go back to the old version without reinstalling. The files created in older versions are altered when opened with the new version of the App, though, so making a back-up or creating duplicates for testing may not be a bad idea.
After deleting the older version the App Store info will change but perhaps it is also a good idea to postpone deleting an old version until satisfied with the way the new App works.
Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing,
I want to be free, free as the wind.
— Frank Zappa.
I want to be free, free as the wind.
— Frank Zappa.
Most comments here suggest that this:
is accurate.
Garageband appears to be the exception and seems to be offered free regardless of older version...
Honestly, considering you need a Mac to even run them, I'm sure Apple doesn't mind overlooking a < $100 app since they already paid more than that for the computer.
That's like saying your Garmin doesn't come with lifetime maps but you pirated them. We'll give them to you free now. Doesn't make sense.