Apple Offers Developers a Closer Look at the New Mac Pro

[reel2reel]

This is fantastical!

Thunderbolt 2 will be plenty fast enough for external expansion (no more f/n cards, I'm happy about this!).

Anyone who wants to complain can go get a big 'ole PC tower, stay old school, and quit wining!

Your post is like a Twinkie. All fluff and no substance.

 

[Matt Leaf]

I wonder if it will be possible to take over a laptops screen with your Mac Pro? It certainly looks like Mavericks is stiring up whats possible in that regard.

In which case, - and even though a lot of people are saying portability is nothing - you could definately scruff this thing by the circular handle and take it out to the kitchen, or the lounge, or wherver you have a better view.

If airplay is so rad it's not a problem to work wherever you have a screen.

Carrying a Macpro with one hand is certainly something you couldn't do before.

I think this machine will be about one thing and one thing only - speed. It will eat iMac for breakfast. An that will be the question on everyones lips. Can the iMac handle what I want to do?

I think for most it will be yes.

But for others that rendering speed and ability to RAM preview on tap will be super key to working fast.

Having said that it will be super expensive at least for a year.

I wouldn't touch it until 2015.

Bet you see a redesigned 4k Retina TB display to suit with this thing at launch. too.

 

[flat five]

Look! It's the Mac Pro X! Just what everyone wanted - a smaller, lighter stationary computer that is only expandable via an expensive cable that no one supports.

We need tools, not shiny cases. I need expandability, not a table cluttered in expensive cables that don't plug into anything. I don't need a smaller, lighter stationary computer. I need more places to put hard drives, video cards and ram as I can afford it. I need a disk drive. Apple is killing me. For what I needed, wanted and waited patiently for so long for - I got not one single thing I can use. I understand trying to be innovative if they've found a new way to make an old tool better - but changing things we've all come to know, love and need into something useless and unrecognizable just for the sake of change is exasperating (see; Final Cut X). Sure, it's pretty. It'll look great under a table every time I accidentally kick it or get my foot tangled up in one of the 20 cables laying in a rat's nest next to it. Looking forward to the clutter of hard drive caddies, a RedRocket card enclosure, the bare LG BluRay writer tethered via a USB cable, the adapter array full of FireWire ports to access cameras and drives containing legacy projects…oh, wait, never mind. It also just occurred to me - how am I going to mount that thing in a rack??? How is any of this going to attach to shared storage when I'm gonna have to wait 2 years for a 3rd party to invent an impossibly expensive Fibre channel adapter? Seriously, does anyone there actually use these products when they're designing them or listen to customers - or do they look at the suggestion cards and do the opposite???

Not that any of this really matters because without a working version of Final Cut, I don't need one anyway. So, thanks for saving me a bunch of money I guess? 3 - 4K monitors. For who??? The high school students using FCPX won't be able to afford it, nor will they need that much real-estate to edit YouTube videos.

God help Apple this is a disaster. They do know 'Pro' is short for 'professional' right?

I'm so depressed. I waited for 5 years to get nothing I can use or wanted.

in all reality though, most (as in most) professionals dont need or even want all sorts of expandability / customization / etc.. they want/prefer an out of the box professional computer and this thing delivers.. without a doubt.

i mean, i know maybe 10 places using macs in pro environments ranging from the sole freelancer to the large scale ad agency and none of them, that i'm aware of, are tinkering with the hardware in the way you're demanding.

 

[reel2reel]

I shuffle quite a few terabytes a day. 3TB worth of data from 7200 rpm drive to another internal SATA drive takes about 12 hours. There are weekends where I move 9-15 TB of files. It takes a loooong time.
They are handicapped by slow rotating platter speed of the HDD.

When I went to external SSDs and Thunderbolt, my time copying and shuttling files dropped considerably.

I think internal storage is probably a concern for about 5% of people, if that.

Aside from that...you have 15 TB of SSD storage in Thunderbolt enclosures? Wow!! you must be as wealthy as Apple Inc. Not realistic for most people, obviously.

in all reality though, most (as in most) professionals dont need or even want all sorts of expandability / customization / etc.. they want/prefer an out of the box professional computer and this thing delivers.. without a doubt.

i mean, i know maybe 10 places using macs in pro environments ranging from the sole freelancer to the large scale ad agency and none of them, that i'm aware of, are tinkering with the hardware in the way you're demanding.

You should meet some Davinci Resolve users as an example of people maximizing Mac Pro's. I wouldn't think Ad Agencies require much beyond pretty iMac's to impress the clients.

 

[tevion5]

I think it's not attractive, nor a practical shape,

It's just smaller than basically every other desktop out there. It sits on or under your desk taking up a few cubic centimetres.

If this isn't practical for you then I just can't imagine what would satisfy you.

If you mean practical design in terms of internal expansion, that is different although I still agree in that case with Apple direction.

This is impractical shape:

 

[flat five]

You should meet some Davinci Resolve users as an example of people maximizing Mac Pro's. I wouldn't think Ad Agencies require much beyond pretty iMac's to impress the clients.

it's mostly laptops..then maybe 20 imacs and 20 macpros

regardless, you're missing the point.

 

[reel2reel]

it's mostly laptops..then maybe 20 imacs and 20 macpros

regardless, you're missing the point.

I thought your point was that you know more than everyone else about what "pro's" are doing. I gave you an example of why your view is limited. What else am I missing?

Get over yourself fool.

MR. T! I knew he was a Mac user.

haha sucks for you!

If you can't pay, you can't play!

Perhaps you should have done a better job in your business.

Gordon Gekko here.

 

[TMay]

It's not even supported at this point.

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Yes, and you can make your investment in external storage, 4K monitors and other peripherals, and when you're ready to move on to the next model of Mac Pro (humor me here), you just swap it out for a new one (with bigger and badder processor, GPU, etc.) restore your OS from Time Machine backup and off you go.

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They're in business to make money, I wouldn't believe this even for a second.

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Agree with a lot of what you're saying here, but TB2 will be a transitional solution. Customers with existing TB equipment will be able to work just fine on a TB2 capable machine. If / when they're ready to add TB2 devices into the mix, it's just as easy as that.

The nice thing about this Mac Pro, is it's probably economical to sell these when the next model arrives, or shift them to rendering nodes for the "Prometheus" Cavern look.

Endless dress up options for these...

Look for lots of iPhone,iPad docking solutions on and around the Mac Pro release.

 

[flat five]

I thought your point was that you know more than everyone else about what "pro's" are doing. I gave you an example of why your view is limited. What else am I missing?

nothing.. you nailed it

 

[reel2reel]

nothing.. you nailed it

Wasn't hard.

 

[T-R-S]

Is there a CD drive?

The CD drive is right beside the ADB connector....

 

[donutbagel]

Wow, no specific rumors (besides "new machine for pros coming") about this until they actually announced it. That's the first time I've ever seen this happen.

 

[Craigy]

I wonder if it will be possible to take over a laptops screen with your Mac Pro? It certainly looks like Mavericks is stiring up whats possible in that regard.

In which case, - and even though a lot of people are saying portability is nothing - you could definately scruff this thing by the circular handle and take it out to the kitchen, or the lounge, or wherver you have a better view.

If airplay is so rad it's not a problem to work wherever you have a screen.

Carrying a Macpro with one hand is certainly something you couldn't do before.

I think this machine will be about one thing and one thing only - speed. It will eat iMac for breakfast. An that will be the question on everyones lips. Can the iMac handle what I want to do?

I think for most it will be yes.

But for others that rendering speed and ability to RAM preview on tap will be super key to working fast.

Having said that it will be super expensive at least for a year.

I wouldn't touch it until 2015.

Bet you see a redesigned 4k Retina TB display to suit with this thing at launch. too.

Carrying a Mac Pro at all is certainly something you couldn't do before!

 

[Matt Leaf]

The way I see it, Mac Pro has been discontinued.

This is an entirely new product and venture simply relabelled as Mac Pro.

As many note, it's Mac Mini's older brother.

If people want all that built in expansion stuff, then a PC is clearly the option.

But for many, those who just want loads more speed than an iMac - and previous gen Mac Pro - this thing will deliver.

 

[drorpheus]

^ truth, in it's utmost form.

This is the Mac mini Pro. Where exactly do I plug in my $3000 DSP Farm Card, oh yeah that's right I don't. Apple's current focus is if you buy an iPhone your deemed an instant creative professional. In a year or two they'll cite lack of sales and kill it off as well as USA based mfg/assembly. For a Mac mini upgrade this is awesome, for a current Mac Pro replacement this is a joke. I wonder if it will have 64gb,128gb, or 256gb internal storage that will be burnt through in a couple of hours of work. Apple's fallen off its square, it should rename itself to Apple Mobile, or Apple Telecom, still waiting on 4&5ghz CPUs Intel can't seem to figure out as well as more than 2 socket configs 8core CPU is 2006 tech dual 8 is 16 core and still 2006, it's like buying the same thing over and over and over except giving it a cool redundant name to explain the lack in technological break throughs and how I will gain battery life/strength.

 

[The Beatles]

I can't imagine or want thunderbolt running Ll my hardware externally.

I've been considering a PC. Never thought I'd say that after 24 years. Really sucks but I've been running windows in bootcamp mode for 3Ds Max and I've learned that it isn't all that bad.

I need dual graphics cards and storage. Now I have to have separate cases and pipe it in/out though thunderbolt? Seems like Apple might be saying goodbye to some of their pros. Hopefully the benchmarks will change my mind.

 

[nia820]

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Thanks for ruining the new mac pro for me.

 

[StoneJack]

I think this beast leaves a room to wish for headless xMac aka mid-Mac the customisation crowd wanted.

A simple desktop with simple case, swappable graphic card, normal storage (hard drives or cd drives or SSD) one can change, some PCI cards to put it. Windows world has still a plenty of options for such thing and they cheap. Could be 899 dollars and would buy it.

This beast, Mac Pro, is really into future technologies and sure overkill for a home computer!

 

[porres]

If I'm not mistaken, the high end video/film editors will be hampered by this limitation when they need to edit on external drives, no? I highly doubt the one internal PCI drive will be enough.

no, 2.5GB transfer for hard drives isn't met already about anywhere in the real world so far.

 

[MDDO]

Look! It's the Mac Pro X! Just what everyone wanted - a smaller, lighter stationary computer that is only expandable via an expensive cable that no one supports.

We need tools, not shiny cases. I need expandability, not a table cluttered in expensive cables that don't plug into anything. I don't need a smaller, lighter stationary computer. I need more places to put hard drives, video cards and ram as I can afford it. I need a disk drive. Apple is killing me. For what I needed, wanted and waited patiently for so long for - I got not one single thing I can use. I understand trying to be innovative if they've found a new way to make an old tool better - but changing things we've all come to know, love and need into something useless and unrecognizable just for the sake of change is exasperating (see; Final Cut X). Sure, it's pretty. It'll look great under a table every time I accidentally kick it or get my foot tangled up in one of the 20 cables laying in a rat's nest next to it. Looking forward to the clutter of hard drive caddies, a RedRocket card enclosure, the bare LG BluRay writer tethered via a USB cable, the adapter array full of FireWire ports to access cameras and drives containing legacy projects…oh, wait, never mind. It also just occurred to me - how am I going to mount that thing in a rack??? How is any of this going to attach to shared storage when I'm gonna have to wait 2 years for a 3rd party to invent an impossibly expensive Fibre channel adapter? Seriously, does anyone there actually use these products when they're designing them or listen to customers - or do they look at the suggestion cards and do the opposite???

Not that any of this really matters because without a working version of Final Cut, I don't need one anyway. So, thanks for saving me a bunch of money I guess? 3 - 4K monitors. For who??? The high school students using FCPX won't be able to afford it, nor will they need that much real-estate to edit YouTube videos.

God help Apple this is a disaster. They do know 'Pro' is short for 'professional' right?

I'm so depressed. I waited for 5 years to get nothing I can use or wanted.

Easy man! Buy a hackintosh...

 

[doc james]

Carrying a Mac Pro at all is certainly something you couldn't do before!

Sadly, that's not completely true Now just waiting to see how far the insurance money will go towards the new one. Definitely including a Kensington lock!

And maybe some decoy dustbins placed around the house...

 

[macnisse]

So, just watched the mac pro presentation on apple.com. Yes, the design is indeed impressive and out of the box! But, as other have posted, what about expandability? Do not like the idea of having a desk or side board full of external drives and cable clutter etc... Looking fwd to see some nice and clean hardware solutions to that matter.

... and a 4K display!

 

[PCVSMAC]

That does..

I grew up with 5.25's then 3.5's..I installed DOS, Linux, and Windows from those 3.5's.

Apple //e my first pc

Then I hated the MAC for having no colors and switched to Amiga Computers

The Death of Amiga made me go for PC , then after the G4 Arrived I got Mac Again ...

now I am not sure lol

this Mac Can Pro is disgusting

 

[Drunken Master]

Apple //e my first pc

Then I hated the MAC for having no colors and switched to Amiga Computers

The Death of Amiga made me go for PC , then after the G4 Arrived I got Mac Again ...

now I am not sure lol

this Mac Can Pro is disgusting

The design of the Mac Pro reminds me of a tsukubai washing basin you find in Japanese gardens.

 

[GermanyChris]

Apple //e my first pc

Then I hated the MAC for having no colors and switched to Amiga Computers

The Death of Amiga made me go for PC , then after the G4 Arrived I got Mac Again ...

now I am not sure lol

this Mac Can Pro is disgusting

We had a II for a very short time, then a IIe, followed by a IIc.

I'm not particularly impressed with iTube but I don't "need" to make a decision right now about anything but my gut says that I'll be selling my MP and building something again.