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And how has your privacy been breached?
Ah. They have my genetic info. If you don’t consider that a privacy issue I don’t know what to tell you.

It not mandatory yet but soon it’s a requirement for hiring. Things like this have a way of changing quietly. Dont want to hire a person that may get cancer and miss extended time.

Apple cares about one thing. MONEY MONEY MONEY. That is the driving force behind any business. They don’t care about you, only your wallet. To think otherwise is naive. If there’s a way to use this info Apple will.

They have the ability to preach privacy and then collect data on their users. Then the magic happens the users find a way to defend Apple And their data collection.

Oh yeah. I’m not participating in the program so it doesn’t affect me. If I worked for Apple I would politely refuse the request.
 
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If Apple really cared about employee health why not just provide a voucher for genetic testing that the employee can take to any testing company of their own choice?

Why insist it's only free so long as you agree for all your information to become the property of an Apple subsidiary?

Anyone agreeing with Apple on this has lost any right to ever criticise Google's policies for their free services.
 
... From Apple's perspective, the bad publicity would have an enormous cost....

in the past nothing could stopped apple inc from firmly totally stepping on a frog in public and later loose the legal class action

even given HIPPA privacy and all I would be very careful and made sure the testing i paid for got no further than a single take home hard copy.
 
I like how nowadays people are not even entitled to their own opinion...

If you like something or agree with something you are immediately a fanboy, otherwise you are a hater.

I just like to think people have their own minds and can express their opinions, without putting a tag on them.
Most reasonable people can see the difference between a thought out opinion and a knee jerk conspiracy/paranoia of “they” tinged emotional response. To those in the 2nd category Amazon has Tinfoil hats. Don want the benefit, don’t use it. A gentility stir, Which genetics testing company is secretly owned by (fill in the blank) ;)
 
Ah. They have my genetic info. If you don’t consider that a privacy issue I don’t know what to tell you.

It not mandatory yet but soon it’s a requirement for hiring. Things like this have a way of changing quietly. Dont want to hire a person that may get cancer and miss extended time.

Apple cares about one thing. MONEY MONEY MONEY. That is the driving force behind any business. They don’t care about you, only your wallet. To think otherwise is naive. If there’s a way to use this info Apple will.

They have the ability to preach privacy and then collect data on their users. Then the magic happens the users find a way to defend Apple And their data collection.

Oh yeah. I’m not participating in the program so it doesn’t affect me. If I worked for Apple I would politely refuse the request.
Lol, y’all live in Bizarro world!
The request? The request??
Like, wtf are you even talking about??? What request????

OFFER AND REQUEST ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

Let’s change one minor detail of this story and play out how silly the responses are, shall we?
How about this:
1) Apple offers free fertility treatment for employees having trouble conceiving.
2) MR posters lose their actual minds, shouting from the rooftop- “They’re not going to force ME to have a child! It’s clearly a trap! They’re genetically coding children in the womb to only purchase Apple products... this is an obvious money grab!”

That‘s what you sound like to me.

Your deductions are beyond ludicrous. They’re like “make me wince with pity & embarrassment” for you level bad.
EVERY company wants to make money. Duh. That’s obvious.
Taking that knowledge & extrapolating it out to the conclusion (if I may even call it such), that a trillion dollar company, steeped in a deep position of respecting and protecting privacy, as a core value.... actually is amidst a deep and sleazy nefarious conspiracy; behind closed doors they convinced entire groups of doctors to go against their oaths, entire insurance and health companies to risk their futures- break HIPAA (with the risk of 1.5 million dollar fine per incident), for the dubious benefit of being able to have a list of employees with theoretical good health in their future, using this data to help in decisions about promotions?
Wow!!!!!!! That is one wacky, outlandish, I’m even gonna go as far as.... insane notion.
Even if you had no morals whatsoever.... doing a cost/benefits analysis on this silly theoretical criminal endeavor would tell you that there’s gotta be like literally thousands of ways to save far more money without the incredible exposure & risks involved in this hair-brained nonexistent fantasy scheme of yours.
Can you even imagine how many people would have to be “in on” this type of widespread criminal activity (with close to zero benefit to Apple)??
The doctors collecting the data, the companies passing it off, the managers secretly studying it prior to job interviews for promotions, etc. How in tf would Apple expect to keep everyone quiet?? You know that there aren’t NDAs for criminals, yeah??

Here’s a free tip: if you are imagining something going on at a company, and it’s playing out in your mind like a crazier episode of the X-Files, with a healthy dash of some Mission Impossible.... you may just have a wild imagination!
 
Lol, y’all live in Bizarro world!
The request? The request??
Like, wtf are you even talking about??? What request????

OFFER AND REQUEST ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

Let’s change one minor detail of this story and play out how silly the responses are, shall we?
How about this:
1) Apple offers free fertility treatment for employees having trouble conceiving.
2) MR posters lose their actual minds, shouting from the rooftop- “They’re not going to force ME to have a child! It’s clearly a trap! They’re genetically coding children in the womb to only purchase Apple products... this is an obvious money grab!”

That‘s what you sound like to me.

Your deductions are beyond ludicrous. They’re like “make me wince with pity & embarrassment” for you level bad.
EVERY company wants to make money. Duh. That’s obvious.
Taking that knowledge & extrapolating it out to the conclusion (if I may even call it such), that a trillion dollar company, steeped in a deep position of respecting and protecting privacy, as a core value.... actually is amidst a deep and sleazy nefarious conspiracy; behind closed doors they convinced entire groups of doctors to go against their oaths, entire insurance and health companies to risk their futures- break HIPAA (with the risk of 1.5 million dollar fine per incident), for the dubious benefit of being able to have a list of employees with theoretical good health in their future, using this data to help in decisions about promotions?
Wow!!!!!!! That is one wacky, outlandish, I’m even gonna go as far as.... insane notion.
Even if you had no morals whatsoever.... doing a cost/benefits analysis on this silly theoretical criminal endeavor would tell you that there’s gotta be like literally thousands of ways to save far more money without the incredible exposure & risks involved in this hair-brained nonexistent fantasy scheme of yours.
Can you even imagine how many people would have to be “in on” this type of widespread criminal activity (with close to zero benefit to Apple)??
The doctors collecting the data, the companies passing it off, the managers secretly studying it prior to job interviews for promotions, etc. How in tf would Apple expect to keep everyone quiet?? You know that there aren’t NDAs for criminals, yeah??

Here’s a free tip: if you are imagining something going on at a company, and it’s playing out in your mind like a crazier episode of the X-Files, with a healthy dash of some Mission Impossible.... you may just have a wild imagination!

Why doesn't Apple offer fertility treatment then? Or counselling? Or life-improving operations? Or full body MRI scans instead of genetic screening?

Why is the thing they're going out of their way to set up a company to offer also just happen to be the exact thing that would provide Apple with extremely valuable long term information and the employee with minimal short term value?
 
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WOW. Sinister. 👀
 
I don't think 23andMe or the other non medical services are covered by HIPA. This requires a medical consultation, so it is.




The testing is being paid for by the employer. The testing is being performed by an actual medical company that is bound by the Health Information Protection act.
Ya and companies never break the law.
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Only on MacRumors would Apple hate be such that trying to prevent illness/disease is seen as a bad thing. Yes what a terrible thing that a company would put in place programs to try and prevent employees from incurring significant health care costs in the first place.

Full disclosure: the insurance company I work for has Apple as one of its self insured customers. We have a dedicated team that supports Apple 24/7.
I'm glad I'm not trying to come home from Thailand with a brain tumor. Insurance companies don't always do the right thing without pressure. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canad...ain-tumour-in-thailand-returns-home-1.4730677
 
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behind closed doors they convinced entire groups of doctors to go against their oaths, entire insurance and health companies to risk their futures

If AC Wellness is owned and operated by Apple, it bypasses intermediate insurance companies and individuals’ primary care physicians. Apple doesn’t have to violate GINA to get the information - as provider of the service, they already have it! And discrimination in hiring and promotion...that’s a hard one to prove in a court of law. People may be discriminated against in a promotion and not even know about it.
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The testing is being paid for by the employer. The testing is being performed by an actual medical company that is bound by the Health Information Protection act.

The testing is being performed by the employer.
 
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>read the cancer that is leddit

>genetic testing stories

>tons of people find out their dad is a cuckold and/or siblings have different parents

top kek
 
Snake nest of ethical and questionable value of these tests. You will be surprised how many deleterious mutations we carry with no effect at all. It might be useful for some specific diseases where ONE gene is involved (for instance BRCA). Multigene diseases has very little predictive power and cannot be judged or used without genetic counselling.

Bigger impact: don't smoke, don't drink, don't get exposed to mutagens, do not do excessive sunbathing, get a BMI around 22, exercise regularly, eat less meat and do not stress. These are relatively well described risk factors of heart conditions, diabetes and cancer.
 
Lol, y’all live in Bizarro world!
The request? The request??
Like, wtf are you even talking about??? What request????

OFFER AND REQUEST ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

Let’s change one minor detail of this story and play out how silly the responses are, shall we?
How about this:
1) Apple offers free fertility treatment for employees having trouble conceiving.
2) MR posters lose their actual minds, shouting from the rooftop- “They’re not going to force ME to have a child! It’s clearly a trap! They’re genetically coding children in the womb to only purchase Apple products... this is an obvious money grab!”

That‘s what you sound like to me.

Your deductions are beyond ludicrous. They’re like “make me wince with pity & embarrassment” for you level bad.
EVERY company wants to make money. Duh. That’s obvious.
Taking that knowledge & extrapolating it out to the conclusion (if I may even call it such), that a trillion dollar company, steeped in a deep position of respecting and protecting privacy, as a core value.... actually is amidst a deep and sleazy nefarious conspiracy; behind closed doors they convinced entire groups of doctors to go against their oaths, entire insurance and health companies to risk their futures- break HIPAA (with the risk of 1.5 million dollar fine per incident), for the dubious benefit of being able to have a list of employees with theoretical good health in their future, using this data to help in decisions about promotions?
Wow!!!!!!! That is one wacky, outlandish, I’m even gonna go as far as.... insane notion.
Even if you had no morals whatsoever.... doing a cost/benefits analysis on this silly theoretical criminal endeavor would tell you that there’s gotta be like literally thousands of ways to save far more money without the incredible exposure & risks involved in this hair-brained nonexistent fantasy scheme of yours.
Can you even imagine how many people would have to be “in on” this type of widespread criminal activity (with close to zero benefit to Apple)??
The doctors collecting the data, the companies passing it off, the managers secretly studying it prior to job interviews for promotions, etc. How in tf would Apple expect to keep everyone quiet?? You know that there aren’t NDAs for criminals, yeah??

Here’s a free tip: if you are imagining something going on at a company, and it’s playing out in your mind like a crazier episode of the X-Files, with a healthy dash of some Mission Impossible.... you may just have a wild imagination!
Ok so I used the wrong word. I would refuse the offer.

Apple is as shady as any other large successful corporation. You don’t get that big without some questionable actions. wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that this info was used by Apple. But I’m sure you will defend that too.
 
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Only on MacRumors would Apple hate be such that trying to prevent illness/disease is seen as a bad thing.

Not at all. There are significant privacy concerns, and it's a shame neither CNBC's nor MacRumors's article even mentions the words "privacy" or "data".

The vitriol around this is ridiculous.

No, it isn't. Concerns about privacy regarding health-related data are perfectly valid.

Apple is essentially giving you a code to redeem at Color if you want to get some genetic testing done and learn about your likelihood of various diseases / cancers. This is a very nice perk.

Can Apple access the data? Of course not.

You're missing the point, though. It's not about Apple accessing the data. It's not even about Color deliberately misusing the data. Privacy concerns go much further than that. Equifax didn't deliberately leak the data of 145.5 million people. They did it out of neglect and incompetence.

Just a few examples:

https://www.color.com/privacy-policy

We will retain your personal information only for as long as is necessary to carry out the function for which the information is being used

OK, great. How long is that? Is it deleted immediately after a research result?

We may disclose your PII and PHI to bill and collect payment from you, your employer, your health insurance, your health system or clinic, or other responsible third parties. We may also engage third parties to assist us with these billing and collection efforts.

So the employer may in fact get protected health information?

Clients who live outside of the US in certain jurisdictions may have the option of requesting that their personal information be accessed, updated, and/or removed at any time from our active databases, subject to the applicable laws and regulations of such jurisdictions.

So clients inside the US don't have those rights?

This privacy policy could use a lot of work.
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Yes, I've seen Gattaca, I know the downstream risks. Do your own risk analysis, are you more likely to die from some cancer / disease you didn't realize you were particularly at risk to, or losing your job in the eventual dystopian future where your employer decides to fire people based on their DNA.

"Privacy isn't important because you're unlikely to die from a data leak" is a wild assertion.
 
No, it isn't. Concerns about privacy regarding health-related data are perfectly valid.



You're missing the point, though. It's not about Apple accessing the data. It's not even about Color deliberately misusing the data. Privacy concerns go much further than that. Equifax didn't deliberately leak the data of 145.5 million people. They did it out of neglect and incompetence.

Just a few examples:

https://www.color.com/privacy-policy



OK, great. How long is that? Is it deleted immediately after a research result?



So the employer may in fact get protected health information?



So clients inside the US don't have those rights?

This privacy policy could use a lot of work.
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"Privacy isn't important because you're unlikely to die from a data leak" is a wild assertion.

Yeah but it’s Apple. The perfect Trillion dollar company that cares about you. /s
 
Some people don’t seem to understand what this is and who this is for. This has nothing to do with consumers, this is something Apple is offering its employees. It would be like apple offering a flu shot on campus for free, no one is forcing you to do it but you can choose to get if you want to. Still not sure why people are freaking out.

A flu shot on campus wouldn't come with any data retention.

This collects, among other things:

  • name, email address, mailing address, phone number, credit card, insurance information (if you’re seeking reimbursement), or other billing information
  • information about you and your biological family, such as ancestry, age, and biological sex
  • information about your history of certain health conditions, your family history of those conditions, your medication history, and any known genetic mutations in you or your family members
  • information about their healthcare providers
  • a biological sample such as a saliva or blood sample
Does it make sense to collect that data to accomplish the task? Sure, maybe. Is it at all comparable to an on-site flu shot? Not really.
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Where does this article say that anyone at Apple (not AC Wellness) beside the employee who voluntarily signed up for this will know the results and at an individual employee level?

It doesn't, but Color's privacy policy does leave that possibility open.

We may disclose your PII and PHI to bill and collect payment from you, your employer

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No, it’s hate because it is hate.

There are legitimate concerns.

Neither MacRumors nor CNBC seems to be exploring the privacy angle, and Color's policy leaves a lot to be desired.

I'm sure Apple has a way-above-average level of trust regarding keeping health information private. But does Color?
 
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The vitriol around this is ridiculous. Apple is essentially giving you a code to redeem at Color

No, read the article. AC Wellness (Apple) is administering a genetic test that is processed by Color. A follow up appointment with an AC Wellness (Apple) doctor is required to review the results. The employer is intimately involved in the process here and has the data on file. What they will do with that data is unknown.
 
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Ok so I used the wrong word. I would refuse the offer.

Apple is as shady as any other large successful corporation. You don’t get that big without some questionable actions. wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that this info was used by Apple. But I’m sure you will defend that too.

Speculation, speculation. How can you back these claims up?
 
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