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Apple Offers Sneak Peek of Completely Redesigned Mac Pro

Again, from the Mac Pro site, RAM has 4 easily accessible upgrade slots. I'm guessing this will take up to 64GB of RAM.

The PCI SSD also seems to be similarly upgradable.

The GPUs probably can't be upgraded, but I'm hoping I'm proven wrong. Will almost certainly be a cu$tom part though.
 
the machine looks great, i guess the guys at ifixit will DIE for having one to tear down!!
too sad i couldn't find many specs so far.. just wanted to dream a little bit :)

just a guess, a bit OT, does any of you think this will bring (somewhere in the future) the color black to macbook pros, in order to differentiate them more from the airs?
 
Seems like with the four ram slots, the max memory will be an estimated 64gb if guessing the use of 16gb dimms. Which would them imply that this will be a single cpu pro. I hope I am wrong as I was looking to have a dual cpu, multi-core server with >96gb of ram to run several vm's and consolidate my mac mini's into a single beefy server type of system.

It is still impressive though and may be tempted to get one.
 
I don't need a Mac Pro but I'm happy that Apple has not discontinued it. The look of the machine is a bit hate or love it, but I guess that black aluminium will look cool when seen live.
 
Truffy said:
It could be cute, but you're buying in to Apple's exorbitant internal storage costs, and the only option is to add external crap. Suddenly the iMac looks almost good.
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On Apple's Mac Pro preview page, it looks like the SSD can be removed and replaced. I am sure it would require some sort of proprietary form factor, though. Some companies already make upgrades for Apple's laptops. If you look at the internals, it appears that there is space for another slot for and SSD card as well. I wonder if Apple will add that as an option.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Fail for you maybe, just like the power loom was a fail to the Luddites.

I don't see how you can complain you'll have to find room for TB enclosures when the new MP is a fraction of the footprint of the old box. You could stack the MP on top of a 4 bay enclosure and it would still dwarf the old MP's size. Your reaction, I think, it complete knee jerk because you want the old in a new package, not the new in a new package and cannot process workflow and storage is changing.

And if you are a real true pro $1400 on extra equipment is nothing. If you are a consumer, yes, a lot of money. But for a pro, you make that back in a job or two and then its pure bonus profit because your productivity just increased because you are not sitting around for a drive to finish writing.
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TB does not have the bandwidth to support external graphics cards. Users will be limited to what comes in the box. (cylinder?)
 
Despite a lot of uninformed naysaying early on in this thread, the more I read about the new MP, the more I like it. I do think, however, that internal expansion slots is going to be the-new-thing-to-whine-about like optical drives have been, errr, continue to be. Sigh. And, what is the grumbling about external drives? I thought it is a requisite for all creative folks to have a stack of external drives? And, I for one, think that is a sexy machine even before you wrap you head around so much power in such a small unit. My question is what is in store for the Apple Thunderbolt Displays in the fall?
 
If what you say is true, I don't believe for a second you're now a full-on windows user. If I can compare apples to oranges here, Windows as a software sucks more than not having user-upgradable components as a hardware.

Clive At Five said:
I've been waiting silently to see what they've been teasing at for so long now. I thought for sure that with Steve gone, they'd finally release a modest, modular "xMac" after all these years.

Instead, they release a MacMini Pro.

For years, I've been hoping for a simple desktop from Apple that would grow with my needs. I've never needed a workstation, but occasionally I like to replace my graphics card, or throw in an extra hard drive. I've needed a Mac Pro Lite. Apple consistently refused to deliver.

I've tried hackintoshes for the past 8 years, but they're always too much work to maintain, and too unstable. Eventually I just gave up.

And I didn't end up settling for an iMac, a Mac Pro, or a Mac Mini.

After DECADES of being an Apple fanboy - believing in the company when no one else did (much to the ridicule of all my friends) - Apple has made a Windows user out of me.

I would've never believed it to be possible.

Hate on me all you want. You are no longer my people.

-Clive
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I'm not convinced.

not very convincing design... It does look like Ivy was busy with iOS7 and the cleaning lady designed this one...

According to the HW specs (2 GPUs...) it will probably use ~800W - that requires a lot of cooling. So it sucks in the outside air at the bottom (i.e. the dust from the floor/carpet) and blows it out on top (so that it rains down on the user)?
The HW specs are mostly "normal" updates to the current ones (e.g. PCIe based SSD you can already get, etc.), so nothing revolutionary.
Having all expansions through Thunderbolt might make the box small, but most users will then have a couple external boxes (drives, etc.) sitting on their desk, and cables running everywhere, etc...
I wonder what the reason is for the cylindrical design? Is that driven by the actual electronics layout, e.g. to reduce the path lengths between components? Doubtful. Probably just a gimmick.
The 7 TeraFlops sounds nice - problem is there are no applications that actually use this. Even Apple seems to use very little OpenCL in their code, a lot of it doesn't even use much multithreading... They said you "should use OpenCL" in the presentation, but not much has happened here since Grand Central. Not at Apple and much less outside.

I just hope this thing is not plastic.
 
I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, so I never had the company invest a lot money in PCIe cards. The only thing up in the air is how to attach eSATA Hardware RAIDs; Maybe retire them and buy a "empty" thunderbolt RAID and add the drives.

I still think this is going to be a $5000 machine, unless AMD is giving Apple one hell of a deal on those GPUs.

-mark
 
Well well, they didn't kill the mac pro. Nutered the hell out of it though. No internal expandability, doesn't look like the GPU's can be changed but will have to see. According to the statement, up to 12 cores E5 xeons means no dual 8 cores but the price at the egg is $1086 a pop, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117273 , so guess it will cost around 4 grand with the 3.33ghz xeons in dual configuration. Don't think the pro's will be thrilled with external expandability with thunderbolt as more costs. Not for me but pretty sure the fanboys will get it just to show there support. I'll pass. My current dual Westmere 2.93s are doing just fine in a corsair 800D case with 8 internal hard drives. To each its own. Enjoy it if its for you.
 
mryingster said:
12 cores, presumably after hyperthreading, which indicates that It has 6 physical cores, which would reside on a single processor chip. So it sounds like it has a single processor... I could be mistaken though...
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It'll hopefully have 12 real cores, not 6 with hyperthreading. Of course, this means Intel will have to release a new Xeon E5 processor because current ones top out at 8 cores. Further evidence that it will have new processors is that E5 Xeons top out at with 51.2 GB/s memory bandwidth (see this for example: http://ark.intel.com/products/64622/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-4650-20M-Cache-2_70-GHz-8_00-GTs-Intel-QPI) and the new Mac Pro will have up to 60 GB/s. I think there will be a new 12 core processor as an option (hopefully with multithreading too).

You can get 12 core systems with 2 6 core processors, which might be the way Apple goes but I think it's likely that it will be a single processor with 12 cores.
 
I like it

Pretty phoque-ing cool, if you as me. From a design standpoint, as cool, maybe cooler, than 'the cube' but, hopefully with a better life-cycle.

I want it immediately! :cool:
 
I'm literally hearing Steve Job's voice in my head:

"It's the Power Mac G4 Cylinder, or more affectionately, the G4 Cylinder"

Jokes aside, while the expansion becoming external is a minor pain, the overall performance and design combined with Mac OS 10.9 Mavericks's performance abilities is a more than worthy tradeoff.
 
frank68 said:
not very convincing design... It does look like Ivy was busy with iOS7 and the cleaning lady designed this one...

According to the HW specs (2 GPUs...) it will probably use ~800W - that requires a lot of cooling. So it sucks in the outside air at the bottom (i.e. the dust from the floor/carpet) and blows it out on top (so that it rains down on the user)?
The HW specs are mostly "normal" updates to the current ones (e.g. PCIe based SSD you can already get, etc.), so nothing revolutionary.
Having all expansions through Thunderbolt might make the box small, but most users will then have a couple external boxes (drives, etc.) sitting on their desk, and cables running everywhere, etc...
I wonder what the reason is for the cylindrical design? Is that driven by the actual electronics layout, e.g. to reduce the path lengths between components? Doubtful. Probably just a gimmick.
The 7 TeraFlops sounds nice - problem is there are no applications that actually use this. Even Apple seems to use very little OpenCL in their code, a lot of it doesn't even use much multithreading... They said you "should use OpenCL" in the presentation, but not much has happened here since Grand Central. Not at Apple and much less outside.

I just hope this thing is not plastic.
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Please let this post be a label to actually read the entire thread or maybe actually go to Apple's site and read up on what little info is there.

-mark
 
bearcatrp said:
Well well, they didn't kill the mac pro. Nutered the hell out of it though. No internal expandability, doesn't look like the GPU's can be changed but will have to see. According to the statement, up to 12 cores E5 xeons means no dual 8 cores but the price at the egg is $1086 a pop, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117273 , so guess it will cost around 4 grand with the 3.33ghz xeons in dual configuration. Don't think the pro's will be thrilled with external expandability with thunderbolt as more costs. Not for me but pretty sure the fanboys will get it just to show there support. I'll pass. My current dual Westmere 2.93s are doing just fine in a corsair 800D case with 8 internal hard drives. To each its own. Enjoy it if its for you.
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The gpus are $3,300 a piece by the way if newegg is any indication
 
Truffy said:
It could be cute, but you're buying in to Apple's exorbitant internal storage costs, and the only option is to add external crap. Suddenly the iMac looks almost good.
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1) You can buy 3rd party w/ the new MP just as always.

2) If you buy and iMac aren't you also buying into Apple's exorbitant storage costs? In fact, you can't upgrade the internal storage after purchase w/ an iMac unless you are balls enough to tear it apart, not easy since its sealed up well.
 
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