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Yes, let's spend hundreds of dollars on another device to put hard drives in and connecting that to our computer instead of putting the drives directly into the computer.

I can see the point in the minimalist approach on rMBP's but for a dedicated workstation it is completely nuts.
 
I dont get this. Are you one of those who thought it was a bad idea for Apple to remove the floppy drive on the iMac years ago ??

People thought when Apple removed the floppy drive that the company where crazy ...(heres to the crazy ones btw)

Apple thought the floppy where obsolete because of performance etc etc

People complained back then that others storage medium where to expensive etc etc ..

and today its seems crazy for one to include a floppy drive in a computer ..

So whats the statement of the Mac Pro 2013 .
Maybe you didn't have to do any serious work with macs back then, but those who did had to buy external floppy drive. All Apple did was they moved the problem to others.
They took away the feature to carry data from computer to computer and it took years before they offered alternative way to do that. That's not just crazy, that was plain stupid.
Anyway this was just iMac. They didn't remove anything pro computers. MP has been traditionally meant for pro use.

More alive than what, though? Selling 12 discs this year instead of 10 last year (relatively speaking) doesn't make it "alive". Sorry, but it's a dead format designed for people that don't know how to handle technology (you know those people that could not figure out how to get the clock on their VCRs to stop blinking; yeah that type of person is who it's designed for). If you like it so much, go buy a Windows machine. Macs have moved into the future. Windows is dragging aluminum substrate and plastic behind it like a boat anchor. :D
More bd products are sold than all Apple products combined, so maybe you could say that bd is more alive than Apple. Is that enough or are you next asking for sales data and links?
Killing something in the middle of strong and useful life is not wise. And we all know that Apple did that to sell more iTunes content.

For movies, I just don't understand how you guys see bd as bad option. You get movies in very cheap price, best possible quality, great resale value and as ready-made backup for off-site archiving. What more can you ask? If storage space is problem, you need to think again. One cubic meter holds all content you probably have.
 
If you are a photographer or a videographer how will you provide your clients with products

Are you talking about optical disks? If I'm getting photos or video I definitely would prefer it on a thumb drive to optical. And if you can't get by without optical, you can always get a USB version.

Maybe you didn't have to do any serious work with macs back then, but those who did had to buy external floppy drive.

So anyone who didn't need a floppy drive at that point wasn't doing "serious work"? That's funny, I'd say plenty of people doing "serious work" had files that were far too big to fit on a floppy and were already using alternatives like zip drives, jazz drives, or burning discs. Or they actually were ahead of the curve enough to send data over a network instead of carrying it around. Nowadays the new tech is thumb drives (and even huge stuff is sent over the internet now).

More bd products are sold than all Apple products combined

Do you mean BD players or discs? And by Apple products are you talking about hardware or downloaded copies of movies?
 
I thing they will drive some people away from Macpros

why would they design something that you could add drives to

no blue ray drive?

apple wake up and build some thing that we can use

We do not want faster mac mini, we want a true work station

It will be nothing but Thunderbolt and USB3.0. I personally think it is a good idea to use these two interfaces. One will need to buy Thunderbolt expansion to equip their PCIe cards. Everything will be external. No PCI slots. A lot of good pictures showing the last release from apple
http://www.thunderbolt4mac.com/apple/new-mac-pro/
I like the idea of 6x Thunderbolt ports and can daisy chain too.
 
We don't know that yet, some people think it will be far more expensive while others think it may be cheaper than the current ones. Time will tell. I do agree that sales are very much dependent on pricing.

If you build yourself a macmini by using pc components, you would probably spend more than just buying it directly from apple. I would believe the new MP would be cheaper than the current MP.
 
If you try and get it close to that size and use mobile components, that's probably true.

Another example is the new flash SSD they have in the Air update, it's a drive that reads over 800 megs per second in a machine that's not that expensive.
 
Power supply internal or external?

I've looked at the pictures both from Apple and from WWDC attendees. I figure that the new MacPro needs at a minimum 300 Watts, and more likely 400 Watts. I just can't see where the power supply of that capacity fits in that can. The power connector looks like a standard 110 volt power cord receptacle, so it must be internal. Maybe that heat sink only goes down about halfway, and there is small triangular cavity to put a few caps and a coil or two, but man that seems like tight quarters.
 
I've looked at the pictures both from Apple and from WWDC attendees. I figure that the new MacPro needs at a minimum 300 Watts, and more likely 400 Watts. I just can't see where the power supply of that capacity fits in that can. The power connector looks like a standard 110 volt power cord receptacle, so it must be internal. Maybe that heat sink only goes down about halfway, and there is small triangular cavity to put a few caps and a coil or two, but man that seems like tight quarters.

The internal power supply should be on the bottom of the body
look at this picture

http://www.thunderbolt4mac.com/apple/new-mac-pro/index.asp?C=3

all the vent holes are on the bottom too and perhaps a big fan there to dispen the heat bottom up.
 
I can't even upgrade to the new mac pro
my 4 tb main drive is 60% full so I do not think the solid state drive will be able to handle file transfer
this will be good
it may work great as laptop or mac mini update
this will be funny what users apple is after
I wonder if I empty guts out of mac pro would the gats of new mac pro fit in it :)
Just kidding new mac pro design sucks :)
no way of adding optical drives or hard drives, solid state or not need more internal memory
at least option of one optical drive and and at least 3 drive bay, that will make it usable for the pros.
and i'm not talking about game pros
i'm talking about video/photo graphers that deal with large files 3 30" displays 16 tb of internal storage and 20 tb external back up
my itunes library (books, aps, movies, music) alone is 600 gig of memory
apple please revise your design
 
You are a special case. In many ways.

You're watching them on your ancient LCD display that's destined "for the history waste dump", no?

I don't need to say more.

No, I'm watching them on my 93" projector screen run on a 720P projector that is destined for the dump soon so that it can be replaced with a 1080p 3D projector soon. The upstairs TV is a plasma, not LCD, but the wall mount will support 160 pounds so it can handle anything light or heavy for years to come. The playback mediums are thus incidental and upgradeable at any time. The LIBRARY, however, is going NOWHERE seeing it's all stored on hard drives and multiple (including offsite) backups. But it's just a file database. The movies and tv shows within can be updated with higher resolution or special editions or whatever quite easily. That is the advantage, after all, of having mass storage archives as opposed to walls and walls of plastic discs.

For movies, I just don't understand how you guys see bd as bad option. You get movies in very cheap price, best possible quality, great resale value and as ready-made backup for off-site archiving. What more can you ask? If storage space is problem, you need to think again. One cubic meter holds all content you probably have.

It's not a bad option for dumping and then storing or encoding to a digital archive (i.e. higher quality video data rates than most/all current streaming options available). But IMO, it's a horrible option for day to day watching, though with all the annoying previews, advertisements, animated menus, FBI warnings, etc. that have plagued most playback media since the dawn of the VCR. Fortunately, the movie can be easily extracted from the disc its stored on and leave all the GARBAGE on there behind. The disc can then be stored in a basement or similar for legal reasons, but I'll likely never need it ever again.

The point is that once you've switched over to and experienced an all digital archive of ALL your music, movies, tv shows and photos that can be easily watched from any room in the house and easily transferred to any portable medium from USB thumb drives to iPhones, iPads and Macbooks, there is simply NO COMPARISON. Besides, new Macs lack even DVD drives so if you want to watch an HD movie, you're going to need a digital form or an external BD drive and frankly, once again, who wants to carry that extra garbage around when it's not necessary?

Before I go on a business trip, I load up a notebook with a couple dozen movies and tv shows to watch if I get bored. They take up no physical space what-so-ever and a very short amount of time to transfer them from the main system over Gigabit Ethernet.

Frankly, a better question is why do Blu-Ray supporters just LOVE that physical disc format? What advantage does it have over digital (other than coming with higher data rates video which is neither here nor there in terms of an advantage since it could change at any time and it can be dumped at the full rate for storage if desired).

Do you realize how much music I listen to these days now that my music collection has all been dumped of CD to the digital storage archive drive attached to my Mac Mini? I have so many CDs with one or two good tracks on them and when I had to dig through over a half dozen storage cases (I have around 600 CDs) to find them, I wouldn't bother for just one song or two I might want to hear. But when they're all digitally available, I can pick and choose anything I see on the menu that suits my fancy or make playlists, etc. I would think MOST people today that own an iPhone or iPod would know exactly the kind of experience I'm talking about. It's absolutely liberating and makes finding and transferring music a breeze. In my car, the music is stored on a tiny USB thumb drive and is plugged in the arm rest out of site. I don't even need an iPod (although I can send that music from inside my pants pocket to the system via Bluetooth if so desired, not even needing an iPod transfer cable to connect it!). I have only used the CD player in the car twice ever (once to make sure it worked and once when I bought a new CD at Best Buy on a whim and wanted to hear it on the way home).

Having only ONE cd in a car is AWFUL (I had a 6-disc changer even clear back in 1993 even!) And why have 6 discs when you can have 600 or even 3000 at your fingertips? The same is true of movies/tv shows on a computer when on a trip. I'm not sure what I might want to watch at any given moment so I take a large selection with me but don't have to juggle all those discs or even take a computer that has a disc player (internal or external) with me. If all my movies were only on BD, I could not do this. It would suck. But I realize that I didn't know just HOW MUCH it would suck until I got the system in place in the first place.

In other words, it's easy for someone who is used to loading up a BD movie to say that movies are typically 1.5-2.5 hours long and that it's no real bother to get up and pick one from the rack/shelf/whatever for that length of time (unlike music which typically is 3-6 minutes for most songs and so gets changed more often), but what about multiple rooms, especially with a family? You have to find the disc on some floor/room or another and then take it there. You have to pack them up with you for a trip and risk the discs getting stolen (whereas I have them still on my archive and backups at home and a backup off site as well). I don't have to worry about insurance deductibles or proving I owned them, etc. or worry about losing a movie that is now out of print.

I've even moved my old VHS movies (including home movies from VHS and Hi8 and laserdiscs that weren't' available on DVD) over to digital with the appropriate hardware. I've scanned all my old photo albums in and cleaned them up (including photos that were turning purple, etc. or in otherwise poor shape that now look new again) and I can take ALL those photos with me in my pocket in my iPod Touch with no problem. If I talk about some old event I had a photo of, I can show it immediately to the person I'm talking to because I have it with me. I can send all those photos to family members, etc. just as easily. The point is that with digital it's SO EASY to move data around. It might be a pain in the butt to get it there at first, but the long term dividends are worth it, IMO. I can show those same photos that used to be 4x6 prints on a 93" HD projector screen as if I had pristine slides to show on a slide projector. I can play music by trip with them, etc. It's just plain a better experience all around.

With movies, the ability to just click/search through the entire collection with covers/descriptions and even ratings is so superior to looking at boxes on a shelf. Visitors can peruse at their leisure through music, movies and photos and select whatever they want to watch or listen to, even in the guest bedroom. They can connect their own iPhone to my guest network and play back their own media in the guest room off their own devices with Airplay or watch a selection from my own archives or off Netflix. No unseemly DVD/BD/CD drives are needed. The install is clean (e.g. AppleTV can be attached to the back of the TV out of site hanging on the wall).
 
I can't even upgrade to the new mac pro
my 4 tb main drive is 60% full so I do not think the solid state drive will be able to handle file transfer

So you'd have an external 4tb drive via USB3. It's not like you have a 4tb SSD.
 
Frankly, WTF would ANYONE actually want to play a movie off a disc unless it's a rental that will only get watched once and even then why would anyone want to rent an actual disc when it could be streamed in a few seconds instead of having to drive somewhere or wait for it to be mailed? BD is SO inconvenient.

Sorry, need to comment on this piece alone cause it's full of ignorance.

currently, the quality of media that is distributed via blue ray is lightyears ahead of that distributed by digital content distribution.

those who are looking for the highest end in movie watching experience are still using blueray because it offers unparalleled quality. Sure, iTunes is decent quality stuff for what it is, but it is by no means even comparable to blueray.
 
Sorry, need to comment on this piece alone cause it's full of ignorance.

currently, the quality of media that is distributed via blue ray is lightyears ahead of that distributed by digital content distribution.

those who are looking for the highest end in movie watching experience are still using blueray because it offers unparalleled quality. Sure, iTunes is decent quality stuff for what it is, but it is by no means even comparable to blueray.

I already addressed the quality issue and the FACT is you can dump a Blu-Ray on a hard drive at full quality and play it back without re-encoding with any number of players including VLC.

You have no valid argument, just insults. Now stopping wasting my time.
 
Digital is much more convenient. But if you're using VLC and dumping the BD instead of using makemkv, you're missing out
 
So you'd have an external 4tb drive via USB3. It's not like you have a 4tb SSD.

try to replace 4 internal 4 tb drives with 4 external drives plus 2 BR burners who has the room on their desk for this

and BTW i cust used all my USB ports and where do I plug in my card readers I need internal expandability and not external,

External is not a pro solution and not user friendly
6 power supplies plus 3 monitors plus a computer, wonder where i will plug that in

This is a becoming a joke and people talking about this like its a pro computer and its just mac mini on steroids

and still useless for pro users,

maybe a game designer will love this computer and someone who plays games, but what about us pros that need capability of burning DVD's and BR disks

Apple please do not forget about us
 
The internal power supply should be on the bottom of the body
look at this picture

http://www.thunderbolt4mac.com/apple/new-mac-pro/index.asp?C=3

all the vent holes are on the bottom too and perhaps a big fan there to dispen the heat bottom up.

There's space between the memory cards for a power supply - which is exactly where the power inlet is located.

It would be bad thermal design to let the power supply warm up the air that goes to the thermal core. A power supply between the memory cards would be in a separate air stream.

And it really doesn't look like there's much room for a power supply at the bottom - and Apple makes a big point of there only being one fan.
 
Switching power supplies are ridiculously efficient these days. They don't waste much power at all, so don't have as much heat byproduct as they did in the past.
 
try to replace 4 internal 4 tb drives with 4 external drives plus 2 BR burners who has the room on their desk for this

They make USB3 enclosures that hold four drives and they're not expensive.

Do you really own a Mac Pro with two internal bluray burners in the optical bay? And why do you need two, are you really doing two simultaneous burns that often?

and BTW i cust used all my USB ports and where do I plug in my card readers I need internal expandability and not external

Right now you have internal card readers? How does that work exactly? If all your USB ports are full, for things like card readers just use a USB hub (like the vast majority of people are doing right now for things like card readers).

wonder where i will plug that in

Same place you're plugging in now. And you ignore the fact that the computer itself may use quite a bit less power than the current MP, an energy savings for all the users who don't need tons of peripherals.

what about us pros that need capability of burning DVD's and BR disks

Those "pros" can get an external USB burner. It's not like the current MP or any other mac comes with BR, so it's something that needs to be bought anyway.
 
I already addressed the quality issue and the FACT is you can dump a Blu-Ray on a hard drive at full quality and play it back without re-encoding with any number of players including VLC.

You have no valid argument, just insults. Now stopping wasting my time.

Yes, you can dump a Blu-Ray to physical disk.

But you still need the Blu-ray drive to do this do you not? how do you get a Blu-Ray ripped from disc without the medium?

Then, all those very large media files need a bast amount of storage. If you're trying to build an "all in one" machine that can both rip and store blu-rays for digital media playback, you're SOL. With the new Apple paradigm, you will have to buy a 3rd party blu-ray external drive, and then external data storage materials.

Then if you want to watch that blu-ray movie on a TV in a different place in the house? First you need to make sure that the location is wired up properly to handle the amount of data transmission that Blu-Ray media can require. You need a network media streamer that is capable of running ripped blu-ray media. VLC doesn't run on most network media streaming devices.

Orrrrr, you can buy a $99 blu-ray player. plug it into your home theatre. insert disc. Watch.

Trust me. I'm a media junky, I've got terrabytes of my movies ripped and available via network streaming to any device in my house. I know whats required and the setup necessary to make it so and the pros' / cons of it.

But Even I understand that everyones mileage varies and that the Blu-Ray Medium itself is going nowhere. it is completely unreasonable to assume that every movie watcher is going to go out of their way to build themselves such a "whole home" media based system, when the quick, easy and cost effective means already exists and is well established.

However, in the case of the new MP's not having Blu-ray internal, I'm really impartial to it. Would it be nice to have an internal media drive so that everything is nice and clean and neat internal? sure, but theres' still the capability of adding one via external connectivity if one is required. To me, the bigger omission and question regarding the MP is the internal storage and upgradability. I know lots of professionals who upgrade their graphics cards regularly cause every measurable increase of performance they can get can potentially save them hours of processing and work time. being stuck in a "all or nothing" purchasing cycle with the entirety of the hardware, just for a graphic processor upgrade could be a potential barrier to them. It will be interesting to see how Apple addresses this, if they are in fact trying to. Also internal storage bay would be nice. Even if it's one 2.5" SATA slot. Not everybody needs 100 TB worth of storage, sometimes a 1tb mechanical drive is sufficient. Having to move 1 2.5" 1tb mechanical drive which costs < $100 to purchase to an external enclosure that costs $200 to implement is... a little steep. the fact Apple has absolutely zero internal ability for an additional drive is a bit of a "miss".
 
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Yes, you can dump a Blue Ray to physical disk.

But you still need the Blue ray drive to do this do you not? how do you get a Blue Ray ripped from disc without the medium?

Then, all those very large media files need a bast amount of storage. If you're trying to build an "all in one" machine that can both rip and store bluerays for digital media playback, you're SOL. With the new Apple paradigm, you will have to buy a 3rd party blueray external drive, and then external data storage materials.

Then if you want to watch that blueray movie on a TV in a different place in the house? First you need to make sure that the location is wired up properly to handle the amount of data transmission that Blue Ray media can require. You need a network media streamer that is capable of running ripped blue ray media. VLC doesn't run on most network media streaming devices.

Orrrrr, you can buy a $99 blue ray player. plug it into your home theatre. insert disc. Watch.

Trust me. I'm a media junky, I've got terrabytes of my movies ripped and available via network streaming to any device in my house. I know whats required and the setup necessary to make it so and the pros' / cons of it.

But Even I understand that everyones mileage varies and that the Blue Ray Medium itself is going nowhere. it is completely unreasonable to assume that every movie watcher is going to go out of their way to build themselves such a "whole home" media based system, when the quick, easy and cost effective means already exists and is well established.

However, in the case of the new MP's not having Blueray internal, I'm really impartial to it. Would it be nice to have an internal media drive so that everything is nice and clean and neat internal? sure, but theres' still the capability of adding one via external connectivity if one is required. To me, the bigger omission and question regarding the MP is the internal storage and upgradability. I know lots of professionals who upgrade their graphics cards regularly cause every measurable increase of performance they can get can potentially save them hours of processing and work time. being stuck in a "all or nothing" purchasing cycle with the entirety of the hardware, just for a graphic processor upgrade could be a potential barrier to them. It will be interesting to see how Apple addresses this, if they are in fact trying to. Also internal storage bay would be nice. Even if it's one 2.5" SATA slot. Not everybody needs 100 TB worth of storage, sometimes a 1tb mechanical drive is sufficient. Having to move 1 2.5" 1tb mechanical drive which costs < $100 to purchase to an external enclosure that costs $200 to implement is... a little steep. the fact Apple has absolutely zero internal ability for an additional drive is a bit of a "miss".

Sorry for trolling, but my OCD is getting the better of me, I couldn't even get to the end of your post.... its BLU-Ray not BLUE-Ray
 
Sorry for trolling, but my OCD is getting the better of me, I couldn't even get to the end of your post.... its BLU-Ray not BLUE-Ray

haha, sorry. I'll go back and fix. I'm not sure what my brains doing:D

I think i'm still bitter HD-DVD lost the war
 
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