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It is somewhat shocking the number of people who still don't understand what AirPower was supposed to be.

Apple is/was clearly not impressed with Qi charging as it exists today. I'm not either. It is pretty low quality, and highly restrictive. So Apple set out to make something that would meet their standards for wireless charging (and I likewise held out hope for it). But they failed to do it.

The fact that Apple failed to achieve this after years of working on it, and has ostensibly given up trying, speaks volumes about the Qi "standard" and the overall quality of wireless charging.

It is affirmation that no major improvements are coming to this space any time soon. To see some real innovation, Apple will need to do their own form of wireless charging that drops the Qi standard completely and starts over from the ground up. Until then, we'll be enjoying subpar experiences and will all continue wriggling our phones and devices to find the major charging spot, and hope they don't move a millimeter to the left or right during the night.
 
That's awesome! I forgot I had a Timex Sinclair before the C64 but it was mostly useless. I do miss those days. I miss my Amigas. The Amiga 4000 could emulate a Mac that ran faster than the actual real Mac. I do not however miss the overheating C64 power supply. Before I could afford a floppy drive I would spend all day typing in code from a magazine for a game, and then it would overheat and I'd lose everything -- hours and hours of work. LOL

I remember that our district went with TRS-80’s and the district my mom worked at used PETs (and later VIC 20’s). She brought me to work one day and left me in the room with the PETs and I was baffled by the “weird” keyboard and slightly-different behavior of the commodore machines :)

Our district later went with Apple ][‘s, which I loved but our family couldn’t afford.

I love to reminisce, even slightly off topic. My first computer was a TR-100 portable that I used to take notes in class in my first year of medical school in 1984.

That lead to a Commodore 64 with a Star micronics dot matrix printer to more easily write up long medical history and physicals, since we'd turn in a hand written 4 page history and physical and then be asked to make certain corrections and write up the whole thing again!

Then came cartridges to give me a "hercules graphics card" compatible 80 column display. And I'd also type in code from a magazine for a game, or a sound emulator to listen to ocean waves and seagulls, simulated rainfall sound, but never got the overheating.

I moved on to an Atari 512ST and a Mega ST, and I'd use the Mac 128K rom cartridge to run Finder and Mac apps on my Atari, renamed Magic Sack (due to licensing issues). I briefly tried windows after v 1.0 came out, but left MS to use Mac exclusively around the early 90's. I still have my Mac IIsi and IILC and Performa 6400 (used to manage my medical practice) sitting in my basement (My Mac SE and Mac II are long gone).

But, back then I didn't know anything about computers, and while my wife says I know enough to work at the Apple Genius Bar now, I'd say I'm still quite deficient in computer knowledge vs someone with a computer science or engineering degree.

But back on topic, I still think that apple could have released something less complex, like the Slice Pro and given us a $99-149 price that people would pay to be able to charge their iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods together. The fact that they are out of the wireless charging and wireless router business, to support their own products and ecosystem doesn't make sense to me. They should also still have their own display to use with the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, especially since they updated the Mini.
 
Really?
airpower rumored to be going into production

MacRumors: WSJ Says Apple Approved Production of AirPower Earlier This Year as Previously Rumored

"The Wall Street Journal today reports that Apple approved production of its long-awaited wireless charging mat AirPower earlier this year after facing challenges with developing the accessory. This supports previous supply chain rumors."
I think your
Really?
airpower rumored to be going into production

MacRumors: WSJ Says Apple Approved Production of AirPower Earlier This Year as Previously Rumored

"The Wall Street Journal today reports that Apple approved production of its long-awaited wireless charging mat AirPower earlier this year after facing challenges with developing the accessory. This supports previous supply chain rumors."
perhaps you should weigh out which sources are presenting articles based on actual data vs clicks. Theres a reason WSJ print and WSJ online dont carry the same content.
 
The current trend I see is that Apple is knocking it out of the park with wearables (Apple Watch, Airpods) while apparently struggling with Macs. I won’t go so far as to claim that Apple has lost its way because of this, but I do find it is indicative of where Apple’s priorities lie these days.

And with any pivot, there will always be winners (the people who like mobile and are indifferent about Macs) and losers (those who are the inverse).

I do feel that Apple continues to be on the right path, stumbles and all, unpopular as this may sound right now. Macs just don’t represent the future at Apple.
In business terms, perhaps you are right. I'm definitely in agreement that Apple is basically abandoning real laptop/desktop development with the Mac lines. If, as I believe, they eventually drop Macs altogether, their success will depend upon how innovative and competitive they can be in the mobile and wireless markets. It is my hope, as a longtime Mac user, that they perhaps license out MacOS as system software to compete with Windows and Linux on PCs. It would be great if MacOS development programmers and software engineers could be forked to some company either independent or a subsidiary of Apple. It is a system worthy of real development if it could be ported to PC hardware, particularly as a BSD based platform.
 
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“Never in history has Apple announced a product, gone silent about it for 18 months, and then killed it before it ever shipped.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copland_(operating_system)
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TRS-80 model I, age 8. First computer I owned was a TI-99/4A.

Those were the good old days, am i right?
The only time I ever messed with a "Trash 80" was to migrate a real time psychology lab setup running Basic on a TRS-80 using a cassette tape deck for storage. My job at the time was to migrate all the programs to a DEC PDP-11/04, a 16-bit machine with 16K of RAM (yes, that's "K", not MB or GB) and a dual 8 inch floppy drive. I replaced the Basic software with a combination of Fortran and Macro Assembly code using overlays to get around the 16K RAM limitation. As primitive as that sounds, it was an order of magnitude faster than the TRS-80. This was around 1980 when I was in my late 20s (just to date myself, I first got into computers learning to program on a CDC 6400/6600 mainframe in the early 70s.) Sorry, your comment just tickled some sort of memory lane. I guess my first Mac experience was on an Apple II owned by one of the professors I was working for with the psychology lab experiments in the early 80s.
 
I remember that our district went with TRS-80’s and the district my mom worked at used PETs (and later VIC 20’s). She brought me to work one day and left me in the room with the PETs and I was baffled by the “weird” keyboard and slightly-different behavior of the commodore machines :)

Our district later went with Apple ][‘s, which I loved but our family couldn’t afford.

Same era. Those were the days. But nothing beats the Amiga, nothing.
 
The only time I ever messed with a "Trash 80" was to migrate a real time psychology lab setup running Basic on a TRS-80 using a cassette tape deck for storage. My job at the time was to migrate all the programs to a DEC PDP-11/04, a 16-bit machine with 16K of RAM (yes, that's "K", not MB or GB) and a dual 8 inch floppy drive. I replaced the Basic software with a combination of Fortran and Macro Assembly code using overlays to get around the 16K RAM limitation. As primitive as that sounds, it was an order of magnitude faster than the TRS-80. This was around 1980 when I was in my late 20s (just to date myself, I first got into computers learning to program on a CDC 6400/6600 mainframe in the early 70s.) Sorry, your comment just tickled some sort of memory lane. I guess my first Mac experience was on an Apple II owned by one of the professors I was working for with the psychology lab experiments in the early 80s.

How many people here remember the late 80's when you could upgrade your Mac to 4MB of ram, but it would cost $900 per 1MB stick?
 
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How many people here remember the late 80's when you could upgrade your Mac to 4MB of ram, but it would cost $900 per 1MB stick?
Yeah, until the late 90s computers remained quite expensive. In 1995, while I was in IT at University of Texas at Austin, I was allocated a DEC Alpha workstation to test out for a year or so. It could boot into any of three OS's, Windows NT, VMS, or DEC Unix, selectable at boot, depending on what you had installed on the HDD. It clocked at 166 MHz (Intel CISC PC's ran at 60 or 90 MHz at the time), can't remember RAM or HDD specs, but that machine sold for around $12000. 15 years earlier, around 1980, the PDP-11 I worked on ran around $30000. The Apple II, when released, cost from $1300 (4 KB RAM) to $2700 (48 KB RAM). That's why my first experience with an Apple computer was at the home of my boss, who bought one in the early 80s - I couldn't afford one back then. It was also my first introduction to a "mouse" and a graphical interface. Even early PC's didn't have a mouse or graphical interface - just DOS and a keyboard - and they cost a lot. Home/desktop computers were a novelty until the mid- to late- 90s, and not enough were sold to bring the prices down.
 
Huh? You were the one who compared yourself to the biggest company in the world buddy, not me.

Huh?

You said Apple were doing something that was so amazing with AirPower that it would have their competitors “scratching their heads” which I said, turned out to have Apple “scratching their heads” since they couldn’t make it work.

You then said, (paraphrased) “well if you're so smart, you go and design a wireless charger....” (which was a strange comment imo). I replied, “l never said I could...unlike Apple”

I, at no point compared myself to the “biggest company in the world” (which, by the way, they have never been by several orders of magnitude). I suggest you read back through the posts.
 
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“Never in history has Apple announced a product, gone silent about it for 18 months, and then killed it before it ever shipped.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copland_(operating_system)
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To be fair, Apple didn't go silent on Copland, "Copland received two Developer Release prototypes before its cancellation in August 1996"

So as far as I can see, that claim is technically true.
 
I've probably been using computers longer than you've been alive. I was programming my Commodore 64 when I was 12 in 1982. I've been a graphic designer and art director for 25 years, so I know a bit about good design, as well.

Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you have to leap to "you understand nothing about computers." Grow up.

IT seems that you got stuck in the Commodore 64 designs... That you are programming computers does not mean you understand about design. I also have been using Apple since SE30 and today Apple's policies towards both innovation and upgrading are insulting, especially to the Pro users.
If you understand something about computers, you know that 2 years is quite a lot of time.
Well, upgrade cycles have been stretch to 4-6 years.
Mac Mini after 5 years they came out with the same box design that has heating issues and 65% more expensive.
Macbook Pros were great until 2016. 2016+ are a complete failure both in quality and design.
Mac Pro...6 years and counting after the trashcan upgrade also was a failure.
iMacs same 10 year old design. Not even cars keep the same external deisgn after 10 years.
I have grown up, you just need to take your sunglasses and see Apple products for what they actually have become sadly...
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Apple has the best execution record of any company on earth. They are 3X more profitable than Microsoft and Google, the #2 and #3 most profitable companies.

Apple executes their strategy on an unprecedented level and to say they are struggling with execution is flatly wrong and nonsense, based on the financials.

Now, you can disagree with their strategy that has produced $60 BILLION in profit and $266B in revenue or dislike their products, but let me tell you...they are executing.

They are also innovating more than you are choosing to realize.

Their mobile silicon, Apple Pay, Airpods, Watch, FaceID and other custom chips are just a few examples people like you ignore.

Innovations are not features.


FYI, Apple missed last quarter revenues.
Sales of both computers are ipads are declining.
In the last quarter Apple reduced the prices of iPhones on China, Japan, due to lack of sales.

You can see how Apple is innovating based in the pathetic upgrade announcements they did before the recent Apple news event.

What is innovating about creating a credit card? Althoug it might be great, is not product innovation, and further more when you are partnering with Goldman Sachs a company that has defrauded thousands of customers.

YOu said it well Innovations are NOT features. Innovation is something like the iWatch. But the entire computer line up is outdated and overpriced.
Where is the innovation when computers are upgraded every 4 years? and even then no true innovation has been really incorporated??
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And still I would never buy a surface studio because to me it’s ugly and runs windows, and would never buy jabra again cause I once had them and the pairing process and pretty much everything about that product was a disaster.
I bought the Jabras, and I had no problem whatsoever on pairing. Furthermore they have wasy much better sound isolations than the airpods and way much better reviews.
And the design of the airpods are really ugly, making you look you have anthennas coming out of your ears.
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And it is this new population who sets the tone for what kind of company Apple will be, because they have the power in this new relationship. Not the old guard.

Does this mean that Apple has “lost its way”? Apple is slowly transitioning into a much more traditional company, and its
behaviour will start to match those of a traditional company’s behaviour. Albeit one that still continues to cling to their roots as a design-led company. If you want to consider that as them “losing their way”, then yeah.

Sadly, Apple have become a luxury phone company, that wants to milk its users for every penny designing disposable appliances more than computers.
Furthermore the upgrade cycles of 4years+ show you how far behind Apple is in both design and innovation.

In 2016 I had to buy a Macbook Pro for my son and was waiting for the 2016 model. Once I saw what they released I bought the 2015 right away. And history proved me right. The Macbooks Pro 2016+ were a disaster.
Many Pro studios got tired of waiting building hackintoshes for actually twice the power and half the price of a Mac Pro or iMac Pro.

Does Apple creates great phones and iWatches, yes. Computers... not anymore. It is just sad believing that innovation is creating a credit card, animojis, or Iwatch bands...
This past event was one of the worse Apple presented and the previous week upgrades showed you how much Apple cares about creating innovative computers.
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Personal definitions are at play here. The idea of air power was innovative even if the execution was cancelled as no manufacturer has proposed that idea. Common folk like us don’t know anything about AirPower because we never saw it in action. Since 2013 Apple has had a string of innovations, including HomePod, as you said the products speak for themselves, but you spun it in a totally negative way. I mean it in a positive way.

Homepod came late and overpriced. In addition Siri suks big time. Regarding Airpower, A product that does not lunch it is not innovative. It is a failure.
It does not matter how cool a car design looks if you cannot turn it on and drive.
 
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In 2016 I had to buy a Macbook Pro for my son and was waiting for the 2016 model. Once I saw what they released I bought the 2015 right away. And history proved me right. The Macbooks Pro 2016+ were a disaster.
Many Pro studios got tired of waiting building hackintoshes for actually twice the power and half the price of a Mac Pro or iMac Pro...

I know the above and my reply is OT, sorry.

I got a "late 2014 model" 15 inch MBP in Jan 2015, and I also picked up a 2014 13" MBP last year for something easier to haul around, which of course my son "borrowed" for college since his 2012 15 inch rMBP is also "too heavy" to haul around to classes.

I hadn't seen anything worthy of replacing my four year old 15" MBP until the new quad core 13" MBP that recently came out (I want smaller). Is the new 13" 4-core not a worthy replacement, and why is it a disaster?
 
It is somewhat shocking the number of people who still don't understand what AirPower was supposed to be.

Apple is/was clearly not impressed with Qi charging as it exists today. I'm not either. It is pretty low quality, and highly restrictive. So Apple set out to make something that would meet their standards for wireless charging (and I likewise held out hope for it). But they failed to do it.

The fact that Apple failed to achieve this after years of working on it, and has ostensibly given up trying, speaks volumes about the Qi "standard" and the overall quality of wireless charging.

It is affirmation that no major improvements are coming to this space any time soon. To see some real innovation, Apple will need to do their own form of wireless charging that drops the Qi standard completely and starts over from the ground up. Until then, we'll be enjoying subpar experiences and will all continue wriggling our phones and devices to find the major charging spot, and hope they don't move a millimeter to the left or right during the night.

AirPower didn't offer anything new when it was announced aside from being able to charge multiple devices at the same time, but it even failed at doing that as Apple couldn't get it to work. Meanwhile dozens of third-party Qi chargers have been on the market for nearly two years can can charge 2-3 devices at once.

I bought a bunch of RAVPower Qi wireless fast-chargers for home & work. I plonk my phone down each time and it chimes to confirm that it's charging because it's a good charger. You are inventing problems or using cheap tat that doesn't work properly.

If Apple dropped the Qi standard then some users will drop the iPhone. We've all invested in Qi standard wireless charging tech, even speccing it in our new cars if the option exists. It would be suicidal to adopt a new standard this late in the game.
 
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I just re-employed this little thing to get over the "trauma" of not purchasing the wireless charging case....

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Quick question.. how do you place Apple Watch with metal bands flat on Airpower?

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You can't... hence Airpower's concept was flawed from the start, Nomad's works on all and the fact that it's magnetic gives you a pleasant experience that it snaps into place.
Maybe that's why apple discontinued the milanese loop and link bracelet. Seems like a petty reason. Proud owner of series 0 link bracelet here..
 
Does Apple creates great phones and iWatches, yes. Computers... not anymore. It is just sad believing that innovation is creating a credit card, animojis, or Iwatch bands...
This past event was one of the worse Apple presented and the previous week upgrades showed you how much Apple cares about creating innovative computers.

What is the iphone, if not a computer you bring around with you in your pocket?

What is the Apple Watch, if not a computer you wear on your wrist?

I think the biggest issue here, not just by you but also everyone else criticising Apple, is that their interpretation of innovation when it comes to Apple seems confined solely to Macs and nothing else. The success of the iPhone and the apple watch how that Apple is extremely innovative when it comes to redefining what a computer means.

And what's wrong with Apple releasing a credit card or new watch bands?

I am using Apple products for the ecosystem. Anything Apple does that gives me a benefit which no other company can provide is always welcome in my book.
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Quick question.. how do you place Apple Watch with metal bands flat on Airpower?

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You can't... hence Airpower's concept was flawed from the start, Nomad's works on all and the fact that it's magnetic gives you a pleasant experience that it snaps into place.
Or the easier answer is - you don't. To me, it's like the people complaining that the AirPods don't fit their ears. Then don't use them, and find another product more suitable for you.

It's that simple.
 
I find it interesting that a company with so many engineers and so much money had difficulties creating in-essence a large wireless charging pad. Information suggest Apple tried to use 24 inductive charging coils in a small package and no doubt it had no fans or air vents to dissipate heat from all those inductive charge coils - complete overkill. Reports also indicated the custom ios-based OS control system could not cope either. Information also indicates that engineers at Apple were told "this cannot be done" as effectively is trying to change the laws of physics, yet Apple thinks they know better. Its an example of what sounds good in theory can be very hard to make a reality with the tech these days.

Additionally, wireless charging takes longer than conventional AC adapter charging due to the lower output power of the device, so convenience wise its ab fab, but realistically and time-wise its just an expensive low-powered charger that happens to have multiple charging coils, but alas physics wins this time.
 
Yeah, until the late 90s computers remained quite expensive. In 1995, while I was in IT at University of Texas at Austin, I was allocated a DEC Alpha workstation to test out for a year or so. It could boot into any of three OS's, Windows NT, VMS, or DEC Unix, selectable at boot, depending on what you had installed on the HDD. It clocked at 166 MHz (Intel CISC PC's ran at 60 or 90 MHz at the time), can't remember RAM or HDD specs, but that machine sold for around $12000. 15 years earlier, around 1980, the PDP-11 I worked on ran around $30000. The Apple II, when released, cost from $1300 (4 KB RAM) to $2700 (48 KB RAM). That's why my first experience with an Apple computer was at the home of my boss, who bought one in the early 80s - I couldn't afford one back then. It was also my first introduction to a "mouse" and a graphical interface. Even early PC's didn't have a mouse or graphical interface - just DOS and a keyboard - and they cost a lot. Home/desktop computers were a novelty until the mid- to late- 90s, and not enough were sold to bring the prices down.

In the UK I was brought up on ICL 2966 and then series 39, along with Data General. Spent ages working on VME, CDOS, SVR4 and the advent of the PC network (token ring Netware 2.11), NT.

Never forget the horrible noise and mess an Exchangeable Disk Pack (ICL EDS80) would make when you left one on the drive and the vibration caused it to fall and shatter! There goes 80MB of storage!
 
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