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Interesting. I need to check this out myself in an Apple store.

I wanted to buy a gold Milanese as a gift when they were first released, but I'd read (here on MR) that the end slips out making it a drop-risk. So the gift was a no go.

I'll be happy if what you say checks out. Thanks!

Mine is black. Maybe the gold ones are special :)

At least with the one i have, there is absolutely no chance of the end “slipping” out accidentally. You definitely need to tug on it.
 
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Goldman-Sachs the last I looked is still a relevant force. That you have an issue with whatever your past grievances are, is not stopping the ball rolling and you are certainly free to NOT get an apple credit card. The horse has already left the barn on this.

That Goldman Sachs you claim to be a relevant force is because they were NOT prosecuted for their criminal behavior.
What is quite sad is that you accept this as if it was OK that such a reputable company such as Apple is partnering with
the mother of all crooks company that had defrauded thousands of customers.
 
The new keyboard on all Macbooks is a failure. They removed one of the best features ever, the Mag Safe.
In addition, they made it a complete disposable non-upgradable appliance. You cannot upgrade neither Ram nor Internal SSD. There are more reasons, but those are the mos important.

(1) Thanks. I funded an indigogo high speed USB-C cable that is being shipped now, that adds a magsafe-like connector to the USB-C cable. So that's one issue that may be resolved. As for upgradability, I thought they've been non-upgradable since the 2012 retina MBP came out, so I bought my 2012 and 2014 already maxed out.

Problems with the newer keyboard, however, worries me more, but I thought they made it worse in 2015 or 2016, and then recently fixed the issues. So I'll google about any new issues.

(2) As for someone else's comment that wireless charging is significantly slower than wired, I would usually agree. But I've just tried a wireless Hokonui 10,000 mah 10W Qi battery pack, that just now took my iPhone X from 20% to 45% in 30 minutes, without using cables.

I simply set the iPhone on top of the battery pack after pressing the pack's power button. This battery pack sat in my backpack since October when I topped it off last when I took a trip to Orlando, and the LED indicated it still had 98% charge.

After typing all of this, I'm updating that I'm now up to 50% on the phone after 40 minutes total on the wireless portable Qi charger - it added 25% in the first 30 minutes, and another 5% after the next 10 minutes. After 50 minutes I was at 55%, and the iPhone hit 60% after 60 minutes, as I'm done typing this post. And I'm back to update that the Xs Max is at 70% charge after 75 minutes.

So that added 25% charge to my Xs Max in the first 30 minutes and adding another 25% charge to the phone after another 45 minutes. That 50% charge in 1 hour and 15 minutes could get me through a whole day.

However, now the battery pack indicates that it dropped from 98% to 31% after 50 minutes and to 28% at 60 minutes, but still 27% at 75 minutes (after adding 50% charge to the Xs max). So, the Qi charging is less efficient than a wired charge. It can give me 18 watts of wired charging via the USB port, so I assume that would maybe have be a bit faster and more efficient.

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Portable-Hokonui-10000mAh-Delivery/dp/B07GJ25MGQ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2RSKHB13KLS1P&keywords=hokonui+wireless+portable+charger&qid=1554270232&s=gateway&sprefix=Hokonui+,aps,170&sr=8-3

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I did have to apply a plastic self healing screen protector to prevent my phone from sliding off too easily, since it's a shiny polished plastic surface like the old iPhone 3G series caseback.

The "android port" is actually just a micro-USB input to charge, which could take over 10 hours, but you can fast charge the pack with the USB-C port in about 4 hours.
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Instead of plain wireless charging pad, I bought a LED desk lamp with QI wireless charger:

https://www.taotronics.com/c/with-wireless-charging.html
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But then you and others would criticize those people for not buying the AirPods.

The LED lamp is very cool. I may get one.

I bought one of those Taotronics Qi charger lamps for my daughter to use at her desk at college with her iPhone 8, and it works great for her.
[doublepost=1554273434][/doublepost]PS: After another 15 minutes on the Qi battery pack it's only added 3% more to my Xs Max (73%) while the battery gauge on the pack has stayed at 27%. It looks like power management kicked in to slow it down and prevent overheating?
 
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After 130 minutes with my Xs Max on the Hokonui Qi battery pack, I find the phone charge is up to 86%, while the battery pack has been reading 27% remaining power for the past 40 minutes.

So the Qi battery pack's power gauge dropped quickly at first, from 98% to 31%, in the first 50 minutes. But after 2 hr 10 min total it has only dropped to indicate 27% - not very accurate gauge.

However, to climb from 20% to 86% in close to 2 hours is pretty good for wireless Qi charging on a battery pack, and the pack battery doesn't seem to be dying anytime soon, despite the inaccurate "fuel gauge".

UPDATE - Now, after 2.5 hours the Xs max is at 90%, and the Qi battery pack is reading 21% remaining.

UPDATE - After 2 hr 45 min the iPhone is at 95% and the Qi battery pack is still reading 21% remaining.

UPDATE - After 3 hr 10 minutes the Xs Max was at 100% and the Qi battery pack is reading 20% remaining.
 
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That Goldman Sachs you claim to be a relevant force is because they were NOT prosecuted for their criminal behavior.
What is quite sad is that you accept this as if it was OK that such a reputable company such as Apple is partnering with
the mother of all crooks company that had defrauded thousands of customers.
Your opinion is quite irrelevant here as it’s done. I suspect not many are going to carry around this perceived baggage.
 
You can’t buy an “AirPower clone” for $35. You can buy a device with multiple coils, but it’s not an AirPower device.
Does it charge multiple devices plus an apple watch at the same time. Erm. Yes, hence it's as near as damn it what airpower is trying to copy. Talk semantics all you like, they have failed!!!!
 
Does it charge multiple devices plus an apple watch at the same time. Erm. Yes, hence it's as near as damn it what airpower is trying to copy. Talk semantics all you like, they have failed!!!!
And let’s discuss again when someone releases a device where placement is irrelevant. That’s the piece that is missing from all other chargers with multiple coils. Sometimes semantics is everything.
 
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After 130 minutes with my Xs Max on the Hokonui Qi battery pack, I find the phone charge is up to 86%, while the battery pack has been reading 27% remaining power for the past 40 minutes.

So the Qi battery pack's power gauge dropped quickly at first, from 98% to 31%, in the first 50 minutes. But after 2 hr 10 min total it has only dropped to indicate 27% - not very accurate gauge.

However, to climb from 20% to 86% in close to 2 hours is pretty good for wireless Qi charging on a battery pack, and the pack battery doesn't seem to be dying anytime soon, despite the inaccurate "fuel gauge".

UPDATE - Now, after 2.5 hours the Xs max is at 90%, and the Qi battery pack is reading 21% remaining.

UPDATE - After 2 hr 45 min the iPhone is at 95% and the Qi battery pack is still reading 21% remaining.

UPDATE - After 3 hr 10 minutes the Xs Max was at 100% and the Qi battery pack is reading 20% remaining.

Isn't the current generation of iPhones internally limited to 7w wireless charging? Your results seem consistent with normal charging pads, which take about 4 hours to fully charge an empty Xs Max.
 
Does it charge multiple devices plus an apple watch at the same time. Erm. Yes, hence it's as near as damn it what airpower is trying to copy. Talk semantics all you like, they have failed!!!!
That’s not “semantics” he’s talking. AirPower was never about just charging multiple device. Products that did that existed before the AirPower announcement. AirPower was about allowing you to place the devices anywhere on the mat, and about using the phone has a display to show that you have everything powering up. The “place anywhere” feature was the feature that made everyone say “whoa, neat,” because of the obvious technical complexity of that.

It’s easy to be reductionist, so it’s not impressive when one argues in that manner.
 
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Your opinion is quite irrelevant here as it’s done. I suspect not many are going to carry around this perceived baggage.

By the way, it is not"perceived" baggage. It is actual an actual fact, of criminal defrauding of thundred of thousands of people.

If you are ok supporting that, then it shows what your values are. Pathetic.
 
By the way, it is not"perceived" baggage. It is actual an actual fact, of criminal defrauding of thundred of thousands of people.

If you are ok supporting that, then it shows what your values are. Pathetic.
Yep I’m okay with it because no company has a clean slate. It’s pretty pathetic the fake moral high ground around here. Seems like Apple (the collective of the mgmt) may be smarter/wiser than some of us here as they do t have this fake moral high ground.
 
Huh?

You said Apple were doing something that was so amazing with AirPower that it would have their competitors “scratching their heads” which I said, turned out to have Apple “scratching their heads” since they couldn’t make it work.

You then said, (paraphrased) “well if you're so smart, you go and design a wireless charger....” (which was a strange comment imo). I replied, “l never said I could...unlike Apple”

I, at no point compared myself to the “biggest company in the world” (which, by the way, they have never been by several orders of magnitude). I suggest you read back through the posts.
Mmm actually they are the biggest company depending on what metric you go by
 
That’s not “semantics” he’s talking. AirPower was never about just charging multiple device. Products that did that existed before the AirPower announcement. AirPower was about allowing you to place the devices anywhere on the mat, and about using the phone has a display to show that you have everything powering up. The “place anywhere” feature was the feature that made everyone say “whoa, neat,” because of the obvious technical complexity of that.

It’s easy to be reductionist, so it’s not impressive when one argues in that manner.
Wow, we can move it half an inch to the right and it still charges, thank the lord!!!! This is without doubt the most revolutionary piece of tech that's ever been invented.. or Not if you believe the hype.. so 200 bucks for a 35 dollar charging Matt!! This is hilarious, I think apple finally realised that even they couldn't dress this up as anything other than the world biggest tech price RIP off!!
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Mmm actually they are the biggest company depending on what metric you go by
Biggest is a measure of size, not a balance sheet. So most employees, most buildings, actual physical size.. they are not even in the top 100 biggest firms...
 
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Wow, we can move it half an inch to the right and it still charges, thank the lord!!!! This is without doubt the most revolutionary piece of tech that's ever been invented.. or Not if you believe the hype.. so 200 bucks for a 35 dollar charging Matt!! This is hilarious, I think apple finally realised that even they couldn't dress this up as anything other than the world biggest tech price RIP off!!

That’s a strawman argument. You claim that there are other products that do what AirPower promised to do. There are not. There are, in fact, none.

And most quality mats that can charge multiple devices including Apple Watch run around $150 (see Nomad, Belkin, etc.), so your “35 dollar charging Matt” (it’s a mat, not a person named matthew by the way) is also silly.

As for whether it is revolutionary, users would decide whether the hassle of having to precisely position on the mat is a problem or not. Probably varies by person.
 
That’s a strawman argument. You claim that there are other products that do what AirPower promised to do. There are not. There are, in fact, none.

And most quality mats that can charge multiple devices including Apple Watch run around $150 (see Nomad, Belkin, etc.), so your “35 dollar charging Matt” (it’s a mat, not a person named matthew by the way) is also silly.

As for whether it is revolutionary, users would decide whether the hassle of having to precisely position on the mat is a problem or not. Probably varies by person.
Did you actually go all grammar police on me and correct a spelling? Shame on you sir!!
Oh, starting a sentence with And is not the done thing. Sort it out!
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And most quality mats that can charge multiple devices including Apple Watch run around $150 (see Nomad, Belkin, etc.), so your “35 dollar charging Matt” (it’s a mat, not a person named matthew by the way) is also silly.
Dont assume price goes hand in hand with quality. Amazon have multiple charging pads with watch points, from £30. , if you are going to say they are too cheap to be any good. I've had a 5 dollar wireless pad for my office desk for 2 years, it still works perfectly.
 
As for whether it is revolutionary, users would decide whether the hassle of having to precisely position on the mat is a problem or not. Probably varies by person.

Until I read this thread, I had no idea people had difficulty with this. I've been using various mats and stands for years. While I'm sure I do position it, it is so easy it is something I put no conscious thought into. Putting my phone on a mat takes about as much mental effort as grabbing my computer mouse.
 
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Did you actually go all grammar police on me and correct a spelling? Shame on you sir!!
Oh, starting a sentence with And is not the done thing. Sort it out!
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Dont assume price goes hand in hand with quality. Amazon have multiple charging pads with watch points, from £30. , if you are going to say they are too cheap to be any good. I've had a 5 dollar wireless pad for my office desk for 2 years, it still works perfectly.

Which one are you referring to? I haven’t seen any that cheap that don’t require an original Apple Watch cable and support multiple devices on the pad.

The best third party one looks like the Nomad, which goes for a lot more than 30 of whatever currency they use on that little island.
 
Until I read this thread, I had no idea people had difficulty with this. I've been using various mats and stands for years. While I'm sure I do position it, it is so easy it is something I put no conscious thought into. Putting my phone on a mat takes about as much mental effort as grabbing my computer mouse.
And that's the crux of the matter, it's so not an issue, but it's the perfect and some would say only pathetic reason the apologists can come up with to excuse apple for not being able to make a charging pad. That's right, a charging pad, this is the funniest thing I've heard in ages.....
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Which one are you referring to? I haven’t seen any that cheap that don’t require an original Apple Watch cable and support multiple devices on the pad.

The best third party one looks like the Nomad, which goes for a lot more than 30 of whatever currency they use on that little island.
Mmm, someone throwing some subtle racism in there, who are THEY, and which little island would you be referring to?
 
And that's the crux of the matter, it's so not an issue, but it's the perfect and some would say only pathetic reason the apologists can come up with to excuse apple for not being able to make a charging pad. That's right, a charging pad, this is the funniest thing I've heard in ages.....
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Mmm, someone throwing some subtle racism in there, who are THEY, and which little island would you be referring to?

It was an obvious joke, and referring to a geographic location is not racism. In any event, can you answer the question? What’s the 30 pound charger you refer to?
 
And that's the crux of the matter, it's so not an issue, but it's the perfect and some would say only pathetic reason the apologists can come up with to excuse apple for not being able to make a charging pad. That's right, a charging pad, this is the funniest thing I've heard in ages.....

I can't speak to other people's experiences and needs, nor what they think is worth spending money on. For me, I've spent maybe $100 to have 5 chargers in the areas I commonly find myself. My phone is almost always topped off when I want it. That works great for my life.
 
It was an obvious joke, and referring to a geographic location is not racism. In any event, can you answer the question? What’s the 30 pound charger you refer to?
Go to Amazon, for 37 quid, you can have "Bestand Aluminum 3 in 1 Apple Watch Airpods and iPhone Charging Station," I saw it in the app so cant get a URL. It actually looks like an iMac stand.. theres one or two others at a similar price point..
 
Go to Amazon, for 37 quid, you can have "Bestand Aluminum 3 in 1 Apple Watch Airpods and iPhone Charging Station," I saw it in the app so cant get a URL. It actually looks like an iMac stand.. theres one or two others at a similar price point..
LOL. That's a single qi pad. It doesn't charge apple watch unless you supply your own apple watch charging cable. It also cannot wireless qi charge more than one thing at a time and does not wirelessly charge AirPods. It's essentially just a single qi pad in a slab of aluminum. That is nothing at all like airpower.
 
LOL. That's a single qi pad. It doesn't charge apple watch unless you supply your own apple watch charging cable. It also cannot wireless qi charge more than one thing at a time and does not wirelessly charge AirPods. It's essentially just a single qi pad in a slab of aluminum. That is nothing at all like airpower.
If the pictures and description are both misleading, I'm assuming all the positive reviews are fake then?
 
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