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" Apple reportedly began shutting down its AirPort unit in early 2016, in an effort to "sharpen" its focus on the "consumer products that generate the bulk of its revenue."


One of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard.
The most valuable tech company in the world Is short of resourse to have a comprehensive product line ?

As they grow larger their products line gets smaller.

WTF Apple.
 
No - but what got Apple to the top once was the eco-system. If I purchased a MacBook Pro in 2012 I could get a MacBook Pro with Magsafe (I could see if my battery was charging or not + magnet for safety), I could charge my iPhone with the USB ports, I could buy an Apple Display to hook up with my MacBook Pro and also buy a AirPort Extreme to get my network set up in literally 10 minutes. That took Apple to the top.

We don't have that anymore, any of it actually.
Agree 100%

Apple has lost the plot. Money hungry and short sighted.
 
No - but what got Apple to the top once was the eco-system. If I purchased a MacBook Pro in 2012 I could get a MacBook Pro with Magsafe (I could see if my battery was charging or not + magnet for safety), I could charge my iPhone with the USB ports, I could buy an Apple Display to hook up with my MacBook Pro and also buy a AirPort Extreme to get my network set up in literally 10 minutes. That took Apple to the top.

We don't have that anymore, any of it actually.

While other companies are having the kind of lineup that Apple is dismantling bit by bit.
 
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Recently unplugged my 2009 AirPort Extreme. Upgraded my rMBP 2012 to a wifi AC compatible card so wanted an AC router!
 
About time Apple made this news official.

Even back in 2013, the AirPort Extreme didn't stand out from others in terms of routing performance.

Either be the best in the market or go home. Apple made the right decision.

A lot of haters of Apple on this website now adays (or paid trolls from competitors).

Airport routers were in 10 ten for reliability and performance. Do a search instead of throwing opinions out.

Best routers I have ever had.

I plan to buy one more before they run out.
 
Doesn't make a lot of sense from a product standpoint. Apple WiFi is special and should have been protected. Now they need to publish an incompatibility list like Sonos.
 
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It hasn’t been updated in 5 years. The router market is a lot more mature now than it was in 1999.

Yes, but their routers are still more reliable then the others out there. Last year I bought one for a client that has had trouble with routers and streaming live video. Well....have not heard from hm any longer and he said it works beautifully.

Irritating that the richest company in the world is penny pushing and bean counting when making decisions on cutting products just because they are not making premium profit on it.

If you are in the ecosystem, you want an Apple router. Makes for a smoother experience.
 
So what do people recommend (that isn't Google WiFi)?



Edit: People have so far suggested....

  • Eero
  • NETGEAR Nighthawk
  • NETGEAR Orbi
  • Asus RT-AC68U
  • Luma
  • AmpliFi HD
  • Ubiquiti UniFi
I’ve had no issues with my NETGEAR Orbi since I purchased it 10 months ago. Looks good and runs cooler than my previous router.
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This would have really bummed me out—however, the Linksys Velop system is so outstanding it completely eliminates the need for Apple to develop an in-house solution. When third party companies out-Apple Apple, there's no need for Apple to remain in the space.
Exactly. While some people here are disappointed they won’t be able to replace their Apple-branded routers someday with another router developed at Cupertino, they should know that other companies have released compelling products that are superior in some ways in the past couple of years and Apple is basically acknowledging that by discontinuing their own routers.
 
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Yes I'm sure. This so called eco-system is only software based today.

As I wrote previously, I can't even charge my iPhone with my MacBook. I can't even use my Magic Mouse with my Mac if it dies (they killed the Mighty Mouse with USB connection as well). I can't charge my iPhone while using my EarPods (which I could before). If I want to use a monitor with my MacBook I gotta buy a non-apple one. If I want to create a simple home network, can't do that either. Time Capsule? Nope, only local Time Machine now.

I know I can use AirPods and I do have them and enjoy them a lot. But it's still annoying that they cut basic stuff when Steve focused on the customer experience. Tim only looks at numbers.

It's great that we have cool watch bands and overpriced iPhone X cases but that is NOT something that Apple can do forever to keep the customer. Eventually people like me wants the whole Apple experience and that is what Apple had and does not have anymore.

You summaried the whole user experience now-a-days right on....

Sad....
 
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I was really hoping that they were just waiting until the next WiFi standard to come out to release new AirPort base stations. I'm sad that they're being discontinued.

However, I do wonder: What will they recommend to replace the Time Capsule for networked backup purposes? We can still do Time Machine backups to local USB drives, but retiring the Time Capsule leaves a big hole for this application.

Therein lies the next big Apple Class Action! :D

I mean, seriously, Time Capsule is recommended by Tim Cook in every update of MacOS X. Marvelous says cheap suit lawyer! Thank you Timmy! :D
 
It hasn’t been updated in 5 years. The router market is a lot more mature now than it was in 1999.

So is the computer and smartphone market. I don't see Apple killing them off anytime soon (except perhaps their computers, you know the iPad Pro is all you need according to Tim).

I have a hard time digesting this. The Airport line has been a reliable product (sans the first base station that fried some capacitors on a regular basis) and really great for home users not interested in digging deep in inane menus of lesser products. I was really hoping Apple would come out with a really good mesh-system. I'm not that Apple-heavy anymore, but the simplicity and reliability of the Airport line has made me hold off of mesh just in case Apple would dazzle me with some really good implementation. Not so, obviously. It sure is getting more and more difficult to really love Apple.
 
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Can anyone tell me if there is a device out there that incorporates all of the following:
1) USB ports to plug external drives for disk share
2) USB ports for printer share
3) Audio out for AirPlay
4) Mesh capability
5) Remote management like BTMM

It’s possible to find some of these features like 1,2 and 4 but 3 and 5 are hard to find and a single device to incorporate all of these features is almost non existent.

Let’s face it, Apple is just becoming a mobile devices company. I hope they end up like Nokia one day.
 
Not a great surprise and expected. The Airport has is one of those Apple products that has become overtaken by the competition. Things have moved on and the Airport has fallen well behind. The decision would been based upon annual Airport sales and to discontinue the range makes perfect sense.
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They kill this, one of their better products, but continue to sell hot garbage like Mac Mini, Homepod, Watch and the outdated, overpriced and unupgradeable Mac Pro?
Just like we lost one of Apple's finest products in the 17" MacBook Pro.
 
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About time Apple made this news official.

Even back in 2013, the AirPort Extreme didn't stand out from others in terms of routing performance.

Either be the best in the market or go home. Apple made the right decision.

I’m not good with years specifically, but I’ve used the AE/TCs for the last decade, upgrading w/AC & 5.0GHz models as well as the 3GB TC & while maybe not the best in 2013 - I continue to use it today in a 2,200sq/ft home without issue. Excellent piece of hardware without any BS (I remember setting up a N/G wireless router a good 10 years ago, probably the reason I went to Apple. I spent two nights after work on the phone trying to troubleshoot that POS, eventually hiring some network administrator to set up my home network!)

I’m curious if the latest systems are as easy to setup as the boxes say (iOS/Android apps, etc). Anyone who has first hand knowledge of these more well known mesh systems mentioned that could shed light on how the setup is would be great.

From what I have heard, Google’s system isn't true ‘mesh’, more like Apple Extreme to the smaller satellite Apple extenders for audio, etc ....not a true mesh system. Is that true?

Well, I don’t trust any of the other so I guess this is my last chance to get one of these 3TB time capsules. That should last me 3-7 years

I’m using it and you’ll be setup inside of a minute or two. They’re amazingly simple to setup, actually relatively deep in Settings to control ports, other discs for backup or sharing and the ability to share the Airport over the network in home or business.
They’re ambidextrous 2.4 &5GHz, w/AC and decent specs found - as mentioned in routers 4-5 years old minus the ease of incorporating into an Apple-centric setup. As well as the integrated HDD, although slow initially, you’ll never notice going forward and those are things lacking on even the best rigs on the market. And will be forever, as Apple networking ease is probably the last of the OEM’s concerns. That said, reading the boxes at B.B. make em look fairly easy to setup, including adding a makeshift T/C for backing up the family’s different systems.

That said I don’t think even T/C supports the new Apple file format, does it? It’s either on or the other and once changed - no chance of returning which makes sense. Maybe even More sense if data is super sensitive to keep an old copy of OS X journaled data and a machine running older OS X/macOS version not using APFS?

Something to consider if you do Buy is the new file format and how long they plan to continue support and patching security issues or flaws. As the router is the gateway to our entire network and attached systems, phones tablets and refrigerators!


This would have really bummed me out—however, the Linksys Velop system is so outstanding it completely eliminates the need for Apple to develop an in-house solution. When third party companies out-Apple Apple, there's no need for Apple to remain in the space.

I’ve heard good stuff about EERO, the Velop and the other escapes me, not the Google one ....but in your opinion, how was setting up the Velop? How does it handle associated macOS iOS watchOS continuity w/Handoff? Issues or challenges with iCloud or backing up via connected HDD local systems for families? Preferably using Time Cap, but I’m hearing good stuff about other backup services as well, I’m a TB Dropbox/OneDrive owner and backer upper, along w/Google Photos for iCloud redundancy for the family (&, IMHO, easier organization sometimes, ability to get rid of pics without erasing from iCloud and without jumping hoops, as well as cool fun family ways of exhibition in app). I have 2TB of iCloud capacity with a family of four. Two teens agers, their storage and backups of devices makes setting up a new device simple, quick and incredibly intuitive.

Those are the things I’ll miss along with downloading a single update to an app we’ve all got on iOS devices and upgrade from the server using that single update vs all downloading the same update six times.

Uggh


No - but what got Apple to the top once was the eco-system. If I purchased a MacBook Pro in 2012 I could get a MacBook Pro with Magsafe (I could see if my battery was charging or not + magnet for safety), I could charge my iPhone with the USB ports, I could buy an Apple Display to hook up with my MacBook Pro and also buy a AirPort Extreme to get my network set up in literally 10 minutes. That took Apple to the top.

We don't have that anymore, any of it actually.

I agree, and hope they’re hearing ya. It seems like the iMac Pro, even though it’s ridiculous unnecessary and overpriced for the general consumer ....Apple is again starting to listen. The touchbar, while a flop, is still a very cool, slick implementation of the same ‘S’ series chips or ‘T’ enclave chips for or in an Intel quad core i7 powered laptop.
I don’t think they’re done with this type of implementation, considering the much more powerful ‘A’ series processing in iOS devices that have made their way to Apple TV to hardware decode 4K, play apps and more. The A series chip could possibly be implemented into MacBook Pro design, much the same way they did the watch chip as a Secure Enclave for Touch ID, the, albeit kinda hokey, a new way of thinking about the function bar, and it’s relevance/irrelevance today or going forward.
Most of us use it to turn the brightness/volume up or down, connect another display or mute the tunes. Those are all easily remapped (or, as done, always there or available regardless of what app you are involved in on the touch bar). Hence the new system is an excellent way to consider a laptop in the future. There’s much more they could do with the power of an A10/10x or A11...12 etc. whether offloading video decoding/encoding or relieving the CPU of the tasks able to be taken care of ...perhaps more efficiently, by the A series proc. Picture and video uploading and recognition, iCloud updates, Dropbox Drive OneDrive or any iOS app’s integration and aggregation with associated macOS software. IE; Adobe CC, MS Office, Goog’s Office, etc and the syncing necessary to update Instapaper, Pocket, iCloud and Dropbox.... think of the heavy processing your systems doing on power up, those first 2-10 minutes and the background tasks.
They’re almost all as mentioned. Updating cloud info and the like. What if the A processor handles system and software updates? From the clock to A/V transcoding, any relief given the C/GPU is overhead available for tasks that are priority.

One can hope as they’ve built the all around best vertical and horizontal system of integration and aggregation between devices,the cloud and wherever you are in the world.

Some devices released have gone quietly to my favorites in the last Couple years including AirPods (unbelievable, amazing, awesome, I lost my first set and immediately bought a second the next day). The new iPad Pro lineup w/4GB RAM iPhone X is amazing, love mine. And iTunes Match, $25/yr to preserve 100,000 tracks, a true bargain. iOS 11’s attention to iPad productivity, support for eGPUs over TB (-nVidia?) as well as the new iMac Pro. A true beast, we’ll cooled and exceptionally fast for multitasking workflows (I pay the mortgage and college for the kids doing audio production and video post production). All at an exceptional price for the hardware on board.
Most colleagues I work with were using 5K systems and happy anyway but the speed increases present the abilit to get more done, in less time, making more money in return and easily paying off the new iMac inside a few weeks.

Here’s to hoping that the release of wireless networking by Apple is reflective of their mission going forward. Less is more. iOS macOS watchOS and tvOS. Consolidate and excel where ya have in the past, renew the interest in computing devices for those who need power, those who need graphic power, those who need RAM, or those that don’t need any of the above.
A modular system would be very cool, if ya know video, think RED.
I really dig what they do, the way I can buy what I need and upgrade down the road my ‘brain’.

Here’s to Apple truly listening to their base customer, while continuing iOS Growth, R&D and iPad focus.

While I live my iMac Pro, my MacBook Pro, Apple Watch and iPhone X - my iPad Pro 10.5” 512 is my sweetest device outta Cupertino yet.

Leave displays and routers. Printers and doorbells to the cottage industry.

✌️
 
While this was expected I am a little disappointed. I bought an AirPort Extreme in early 2014 and it has been the most stable router I’ve ever used. Before that I was using an NEC router that was almost the same price and riddled with problems. The AirPort Extreme worked perfectly and didn’t look ridiculous with a bunch of antennas sticking out of it.

I’ll miss the product line like I miss Apple displays (I’m still using a Thunderbolt Display and am holding out hope Apple’s new display next year is worth the wait). In the meantime, I’ll use my AirPort Extreme until it dies. It is enough for my needs.
 
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Real shame, I rely on Airport express devices to stream Audio throughout my house from my phone or Mac... is there another solution out there if one of my devices fails? Chrome cast doesnt work with iTunes/Apple Music right?
 
Loved my AirPort Extreme - gave me years of reliable service. But I finally had to replace it with a mesh router set up to eliminate some dead spots. Went with the Linksys Velop. Kind of a pain to set up, but has worked fine so far.
 
Sad, but I think we all saw this one coming - the Airport Express was never updated to the AC standard, which made it a pathetic purchase for the price. The Airport Extreme and Time Capsules were fine products, I'm sad those are going away.

Frankly I'm starting to wonder if Apple isn't just going to cancel all computer models and accessories, they'll just make portable devices and watch bands.
 
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UniFi kit makes a great replacement. At least in the sense that it looks great and new software/firmware releases keep being released full of bugs ;)
 
My 802.11ac extreme is great, I'm going to keep it as long as it works or it is rendered obsolete by a new wi-fi standard.
I just hope they'll continue to release security fixes for a few years.
 
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