My point, if. We don’t know. They are doing a lot to slow this down. I’m even working from home now.
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That is the point of slowing things down. That is the point of cancelling all major sporting events. That is the point of banning any crowds. That is the point of cancelling schools. All of that is an effort to slow the number of people who get infected. Because if we don't take aggressive measures now, it can spread to 60 million Americans (like the swine flu). And at the current mortality rates, that translates to 600,000 Americans dead. More if it all happens at the same time since our health care systems will be completely overwhelmed and will not be able to treat and care for all those in critical condition. Compare that to 12,500 that died from the swine flu.
Is the gravity of the situation starting to sink in?
imagine how many lives would have been saved if this was done durning the swine flu
They did do "this" for the swine flu:
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on April 24, 2009, declared that the containment of swine flu in the United States was “not very likely.” Two days later, April 26, the Obama administration declared a public health emergency, before any American had been killed by the swine flu"
Full artilce: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ama-biden-with-swine-flu-is-pure-revisionism/
There are additional measures being taken by state and local governments as well as the private sector given the gravity of this situation. For example, the school closures, the banning of large events, the cancellations of sporting events.
There was no need for the Obama administration to ban travellers from Europe or China given that North America was the epicenter of the swine flu pandemic.
It’s most likely more in line with flu at .1%. Right now any rates are significantly inflated. But spreading fast given the lack of past immunity.
Again much ado about nothing. It’s a shame to see so many posting death rates that are complete nonsense though..a crime really. It’s basically a lot of flu cases at once which can overwhelm.
Again I don’t mind though. It’s easy money and great time to reinvest during this self induced recession. The hysteria should be short lived though as more people figure out this isn’t that serious. Right now it’s a nutjobs overreacting world we live in as certain groups have their agendas.
You maybe right. In a retrospective, we might find that the mortality rates to be lower. All we have to work with though is what experts are telling us and the numbers being posted by Johns Hopkins. And I have not heard one credible source citing less than 1%.
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and your also thinking that everyone in China was affected..
I don't see Foxconn workers staying home... It's business as usual for some.
Apple's China stores reopen after a month
The iPhone maker reopens dozens of stores across China after nearly a month.
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and your also thinking that everyone in China was affected..
I don't see Foxconn workers staying home... It's business as usual for some.
Apple's China stores reopen after a month
The iPhone maker reopens dozens of stores across China after nearly a month.
There is no way China has this 100% contained. This thing is going to pop up again. I am sure they will see a 2nd wave.
Apple stores are reopening too... your point?and your also thinking that everyone in China was affected..
I don't see Foxconn workers staying home... It's business as usual for some.
Apple's China stores reopen after a month
The iPhone maker reopens dozens of stores across China after nearly a month.
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COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)coronavirus.jhu.edu
That's my point. I wouldn't have agreed on ""all" being affected, because that is untrue... ALl of Wuhan perhaps,, but that's not all of China.
Nope. It wasn't even all of Wuhan. Wuhan alone has almost 9 million people. I think its miraculous that this didn't spread all over Wuhan then Hubei province (58.5 million). By my occasionally faulty math, well under 1% of the people in Wuhan were infected and verified via a test. That is a minuscule fraction of the people of Wuhan.
But aren't we also really worried about the hospitalization rate? If a disease had a mortality rate of 0% with proper care (hospital treatment), but our hospitals run out of bed... then more than 0% of people are gonna die.
Seems why Italy's death rate is so much higher than others places.
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two things about the Italy #'s:
-the population is significantly older than say N Korea.
-the Italian government took its time to respond
I don't know where you guys are getting this 1% number. All good tho but last Sunday we had to almost duct tape the in law parents to the kitchen chairs vs they go to church. they are both 80+.
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I don't know where people get this number either. Based on actuals reported by the CDC thus far, China's mortality rate is ~3%. I have heard Trumps lead guy (Fauci?) use that 1% number though.
A 1% death rate isn't a safe assumption to make. Under ideal conditions, it's appearing like the fatality rate is trending to be around 1% and most experts expect between a 1% and 2% fatality rate.
Where that all goes out the door is if you have a Wuhan or Italy situation where the number of cases rise so fast that the healthcare system is overrun and paralyzed. Then people start dying at much higher rates because healthcare resources have to be rationed and only the ones who have the best chance of making a full recovery get treated. In this scenario, it's not just Covid-19 patients who die, but anyone who has a medical emergency because if you have a heart attack, there may not be an ambulance for hours and even if you get an ambulance, there may not be a doctor available to see you.
People keep factoring in things that would reduce the fatality rate, but ignore things that could bring it back up. One thing that is brought up regularly is that there's a huge undercount of infected. That's more true in some places than others, but in general it's true. It looks more fatal because a lot of barely ill people aren't factored into the math. It's also true that there's a fair number of deaths that aren't factored in either. In the earlier days of the Wuhan crisis, it was believed the Chinese looked for excuses to declare the cause of death to be anything but Covid-19. In the US, the CDC has already admitted that we have pneumonia deaths that are very likely to have been due to Covid-19 that were not identified as such.
The evidence that supports around a 1% number is in China outside of Hubei and in South Korea. In both of these regions, the spread was effectively countered before it could overrun the healthcare system and they were practiced in keeping the infection under control. In places like this, it's looking like they're either going to be a little above or a little below 1% when all is said and done.
Where that all goes out the door is if you have a Wuhan or Italy situation where the number of cases rise so fast that the healthcare system is overrun and paralyzed. Then people start dying at much higher rates because healthcare resources have to be rationed and only the ones who have the best chance of making a full recovery get treated. In this scenario, it's not just Covid-19 patients who die, but anyone who has a medical emergency because if you have a heart attack, there may not be an ambulance for hours and even if you get an ambulance, there may not be a doctor available to see you.
People keep factoring in things that would reduce the fatality rate, but ignore things that could bring it back up. One thing that is brought up regularly is that there's a huge undercount of infected. That's more true in some places than others, but in general it's true. It looks more fatal because a lot of barely ill people aren't factored into the math. It's also true that there's a fair number of deaths that aren't factored in either. In the earlier days of the Wuhan crisis, it was believed the Chinese looked for excuses to declare the cause of death to be anything but Covid-19. In the US, the CDC has already admitted that we have pneumonia deaths that are very likely to have been due to Covid-19 that were not identified as such.
The evidence that supports around a 1% number is in China outside of Hubei and in South Korea. In both of these regions, the spread was effectively countered before it could overrun the healthcare system and they were practiced in keeping the infection under control. In places like this, it's looking like they're either going to be a little above or a little below 1% when all is said and done.
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