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Apple on iPhone 4 Reception: Signal Strength Display Issue Only, Software Update Coming

Carniphage said:
Have you genuinely thought this statement through.
If Apple announced a major problem - there'd be panic. Mayhem. People would show up demanding new handsets, even if replacement handsets were not manufactured. People would demand replacement handsets, even if they had not personally had any problems.

Now sit down, have a few deep breaths.
And imagine if you really had to manage this problem, what would you do? What is the least damaging way of proceeding? And not making matters worse by acting like Chicken Little.

You'd buy yourself some time, and put efforts into solving the problem.

C.
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Apple is playing possum on purpose. They know they have a HUGE lawsuit in the wings and they are going to lose. They aren't investigating crap. A faulty design cannot be fixed. They are trying to cover it up by releasing a software fix that doesn't solve the problem. Some people will be stupid enough to buy into it and that's why Apple is releasing it...
 
Carniphage said:
It's not a cover-up, it's a stalling tactic.

C.
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Hah....Apple probably doesn't give a real rats ass because in their mind the antenna is not a problem and they appear to be correct and the "experts" are beginning to load up in their favor. Anybody with a brain and has passed 6th grade natural science has figured this out already: IF you are in an area with a weak signal DON"T BRIDGE THE ANTENNA! It isnt hard to do and it is not a design flaw. Apple knew the limits of this design... they just didnt figure there would be too many Americans that were so stupid and mentally weak that they wouldnt be able to understand basic science and that people would totally freak out.

A good friend of mine works at an apple store and we have been following this thread and have been laughing our ass off. She said the amount of people wanting to return their phones is nil....but based on reading this site and others there would have to be people standing in lines to return their phones. Where are all these people?

The mass of people storming the gates to return their phone is a pipe dream.

Looks like Apple has braved the firestorm and came through virtually unscathed. They aren't sweatin' it.
 
egret said:
Hah....Apple probably doesn't give a real rats ass because because in their mind the antenna is not a problem and they appear to be correct and the "experts" are beginning to load up in their favor. Anybody with a brain and has passed 6th grade natural science has figured this out already: IF you are in an area with a weak signal DON"T BRIDGE THE ANTENNA! It isnt hard to do and it is not a design flaw. Apple knew the limits of this design... they just didnt figure there would be too many Americans that were so stupid and mentally weak that they wouldnt be able to understand basic science and that people would totally freak out.

A good friend of mine works at an apple store and we have been following this thread and have been laughing our ass off. She said the amount of people wanting to return their phones is nil....but based on reading this site and others there would have to be people standing in lines to return their phones. Where are all these people?

The mass of people storming the gates to return their phone is a pipe dream.

Looks like Apple has braved the firestorm and came through virtually unscathed. They aren't sweatin' it.
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Hehe do NOT hold the iphone the way you used to, lest you be mentally weak! I'm loving the dropped calls I get when holding the iphone in a way that caused no dropped calls with my old 3G. Man, I am an idiot!
 
c1trate said:
Yeah I agree. I think they want to go beyond the 30 'we'll give you your money back' period. People are going to wait for the fix, be dissapointed and won't be able to get a refund.
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are you flooding the forum with clones ?!?
OMG, get a life ..... and a Droid, if you like it :rolleyes:
 
egret said:
Hah....Apple probably doesn't give a real rats ass because because in their mind the antenna is not a problem and they appear to be correct and the "experts" are beginning to load up in their
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Today on his The Tech Guy broadcast Leo Laporte said he will probably stick with the iP4. He said this after a week of bellowing it's got issues, that Facetime is a gimmick, that the interface is looking dated, that the multitasking is really not and that he loves his Nexus1.

I had to play it back 3 times to be sure I was hearing those words from his mouth. He had become such a Google/Android fanboy in the last 6 months since getting the Nexus that I thought he'd never switch back to an iPhone.

His reason is that he loves the Retina display. He also noted that while he can make the bars drop on cue, he does not drop calls. He mentioned that he has the proximity sensor issue too, but then when he tried to duplicate it on the show it wouldn't do it. He reasoned it must have fixed itself. Guess his Nexus1 will end up in his iPhone killer wanna be drawer :)
 
WeegieMac said:
It still makes me laugh that people believe a software update can fix an issue which occurs, albeit in poor reception areas, when you PHYSICALLY touch the device.
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Makes me laugh even more that people act like this noted update is a "fix" for any reception problem on the phone. Be it those supporting it, or those saying it won't fix anything.

Apple never said there was any problem except that the signal bars were not a proper representation of the cell signal.

Apple never promised to "fix" anything but the signal bars not properly representing the actual signal.

2000+ replies and people are still talking like Apple said one or both of those things. It makes no sense.
 
egret said:
Hah....Apple probably doesn't give a real rats ass because in their mind the antenna is not a problem and they appear to be correct and the "experts" are beginning to load up in their favor. Anybody with a brain and has passed 6th grade natural science has figured this out already: IF you are in an area with a weak signal DON"T BRIDGE THE ANTENNA! It isnt hard to do and it is not a design flaw. Apple knew the limits of this design... they just didnt figure there would be too many Americans that were so stupid and mentally weak that they wouldnt be able to understand basic science and that people would totally freak out.

A good friend of mine works at an apple store and we have been following this thread and have been laughing our ass off. She said the amount of people wanting to return their phones is nil....but based on reading this site and others there would have to be people standing in lines to return their phones. Where are all these people?

The mass of people storming the gates to return their phone is a pipe dream.

Looks like Apple has braved the firestorm and came through virtually unscathed. They aren't sweatin' it.
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+100

It's amazing watching over 2000 posts. Who are these sharks who thought they smelled blood? Has any one of them ever owned an iPhone? And now that iPhone 4 will be once again the measuring bar for all other mobile phones, what's to become of them? Guess, I don't care.
 
marksman said:
Makes me laugh even more that people act like this noted update is a "fix" for any reception problem on the phone. Be it those supporting it, or those saying it won't fix anything.

Apple never said there was any problem except that the signal bars were not a proper representation of the cell signal.

Apple never promised to "fix" anything but the signal bars not properly representing the actual signal.

2000+ replies and people are still talking like Apple said one or both of those things. It makes no sense.
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Apple has had a number of issues occur over the past few years that a firmware or software tweak cured. A lot of people at the time thought the issues where not correctable without replacing hardware.

Have faith, Apple is really quite talented at fixing stuff that everyone else would ignore.

Look at the Xbox 360 red ring of death ring issue. Microsofts solution was to just repair the broken machines every 6 months to a year. Would you prefer Apple behave this way?
 
skeep5 said:
lets hope the update also addresses battery issues with iOS4. its a joke on my 3GS, ever since updating to iOS4 my battery life has been terrible. read on:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2471598
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Tell me about it. My 2G Touch (with native multitasking enabled) was unbearably slow and tore through the battery like Grant going through Richmons... I gave up on iOS4 and downgraded to 3.1.2. So much happier because of it.
 
marksman said:
Makes me laugh even more that people act like this noted update is a "fix" for any reception problem on the phone. Be it those supporting it, or those saying it won't fix anything.

Apple never said there was any problem except that the signal bars were not a proper representation of the cell signal.

Apple never promised to "fix" anything but the signal bars not properly representing the actual signal.

2000+ replies and people are still talking like Apple said one or both of those things. It makes no sense.
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Apple has had a number of issues occur over the past few years that a firmware or software tweak cured. A lot of people at the time thought the issues where not correctable without replacing hardware.

Have faith, Apple is really quite talented at fixing stuff that everyone else would ignore.

Look at the Xbox 360 red ring of death issue. Microsofts solution was to just repair the broken machines every 6 months to a year. Would you prefer Apple behave this way?
 
diogenis said:
Arf.
Christ man! Read their announcement!

Blah, Blah, Blah...
Obviously we want to make this VERY accurate, because of it's nature it can be used a quality factor to measure anything.
So the bottom line is that we want this to be an accurate reading of signal strength, as much as we want our watch to show an accurate time, a thermometer accurate temperature and so on...
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Christ man! Can you be anymore of a tool?

We? WE? WE!? hahaha....

I'm not saying you are wrong but stop being such a waanker about it.
 
samcraig said:
I posted this in the other thread but wanted to add to it..

Keep in mind that it's not a straight formula. If you had 3 - that doesn't mean you'll have 1. The formula isn't just -2. What they are saying is that the range/logarithm is different and (for example) 5 MIGHT be 3. It might still be 5. It might be 4.


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As I said - Apple has great marketing and PR spin.

I don't believe (sorry) that the computation was in error. I believe that since the first iPhone - they came up with a formula (and probably despite ATT's "suggestion") to make it appear that the iPhone had the very best reception than any other cell phone.

Now that they are under scrutiny for what could be a "bad" design, they are taking "blame." for a bad logarithm. In short - what they're doing is shifting the blame back to the carriers (not just ATT) by saying - oh wait - yes - we were wrong with our display - but it's really a carrier issue - not ours.

Nice one.
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How does it feel to be paranoid?
 
saxon48 said:
Tell me about it. My 2G Touch (with native multitasking enabled) was unbearably slow and tore through the battery like Grant going through Richmons... I gave up on iOS4 and downgraded to 3.1.2. So much happier because of it.
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My 3GS battery life was fine iOS4, maybe a little better then it was with 3.1.3.
 
This post is meant for those of you who are satisfied with your iPhones but aren’t satisfied with those who aren’t.

I’m writing this in hopes of helping some of you find peace.

Let’s just use logic here. Fact, Apple says the iPhone4 has the best reception of any previous iPhone. Fact, Apple says the issue is just a misrepresentation of signal strength. Therefore, would you agree that regardless of the visual display issues of the signal strength, the iPhone4 should still have better reception than the iPhone3G(S), whether you are holding the phone or not? Of course believing both points are true.

Assuming you actually have an iPhone4, and assuming that you had an iPhone3G(S), go to an area that you know has a weak signal but you could STILL make calls with your iPhone3G(S), and try to make a call with the iPhone4. Not asking you to post your findings. I’m asking you to try it just for your own benefit of knowing.

For those of you who say it’s fine so long as you don’t touch the seam, Apple didn’t mention that as an issue in their open letter, they merely mentioned that “some users have reported” it being an issue. Nowhere in their letter do they say NOT to touch the seam. If you think only a handful of people are having this issue or that it is entirely fabricated just to hurt Apple, then ask yourself this simple question: Why would they issue an open letter? Are they not smart enough to know when an issue is fake, or when it’s just a smear campaign?

Please have a happy 4th of July.
 
Here's what I don't get about AT&T:

They have 85.5 million 3G customers spread across 9 372 614 km².
That's 9 customers per square kilometer.

TeliaSonera has 5 million 3G customers in Sweden (449 964 km²).
That's 11 customers per square kilometer.

Now let's add revenue to the mix. Looking at AT&T's prices it appears they charge between 2 and 3 times more than TeliaSonera does, so let's make that 2.5x.

This means that AT&T makes more than twice as much money per customer than TeliaSonera does.

So why is it that TeliaSonera could afford to basically carpet bomb Sweden with 3G towers (I've never lost signal anywhere in Sweden except once when I was in Laponia near the Norwegian border... it's Sweden's equivalent of Alaska), and last year began deploying 4G? Telia had 85% 3G coverage in Sweden in 2005 and they weren't even number 1 ('Three' had 90%). Today both are very close to 100%.

Meanwhile AT&T runs some sort of Soviet-quality network that's 5 years behind the times and many people have trouble getting good signal in major cities...?

Sounds like a giant scam operation if you ask me.
 
Anuba said:
Meanwhile AT&T runs some sort of Soviet-quality network that's 5 years behind the times and many people have trouble getting good signal in major cities...?
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Everybody in the U.S. wants better coverage... as long as the ugly cell tower is in someone else's neighborhood.
 
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There is no issue with the reception!

This is just a software issue infidels!
 
Ries said:
It's not the phone, your holding it wrong...

You are any business wet dream of a costumer.
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We've all been holding our phones wrong, ever since, well, ever since we started using cellphones. And it took Steve to make us see the light!
 
Anuba said:
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"There isn't a pointing device. There isn't even a single orientation. There's no up, there's no down... there's no right or wrong way of holding it. I don't have to change myself to fit the product, it fits me."

- Jony Ive on Apple's design philosophy, January 2010.

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"So don't hold it like that."

- Steve Jobs on Apple's revised design philosophy, 5 months later.


Now, I've never encountered a bona fide caveman, but I have a feeling he'd like the iPad a lot since he can't hold it wrong. The iPhone 4... mmmm, not so much.
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Apple has GOT to do something about this. The long-time iCustomers will likely continue to buy the i4, forgiving the boneheaded design flaw, but unless the underlying problems are actually fixed, this whole thing may be Apple jumping the shark.
 
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