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You mean like me taking my Mini to an APPLE Store, being charged over $300 for a new logic board that crapped out after 1 1/2 years?
Up yours, Apple
 
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Louis Rossmann is about as far away as you can possibly get for an objective opinion about Apple.

Just writing it doesn't make it true, where is your demonstrable evidence?
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You obviously had a crack somewhere in the screen to begin with.
[doublepost=1565228744][/doublepost]Apple has the right to build whatever product they want and sell it at whatever price consumers are willing to pay for it.

Once the item is in your hands, you have the "right" to do whatever you want with it, including buying 3rd party products and parts to modify however you wish.

But to force apple with "right to repair" simply because they do not meet your need, is wrong, even though you keep coming back to buy their unrepairable products.

So it's fair that Apple lies to clients about water damage then wants to charge basically the price of a new computer when there is ZERO water damage and all it takes is a simple fix??
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Apple just wants to have full control of the product throughout its whole life-cycle. I knew apple was vicious and greedy but this is extremism already.

Tim Apple's greed has surpassed beyond the dreams of avarice.
 
Anybody that agrees with Apples side here is absolutely deluded and stupid. Apple are known for their greed and this is just a stance to force people to use them. Not offering a battery to someone for their phone as it doesnt meet their test criteria is ridiculous. If i want a new battery then i want a new ******* battery. I dont need to jump through hoops and to be denied by Apple. I totally moved from Apple to Windows/Android (only come here the odd time to keep up with tech) and its like a breath of fresh air. There is 5 of us here and all moved from Macbooks/iPhones, Watches and Apple TVs to PCs, Galaxy S10+'s and an Xbox One X and i can tell you.. I DONT MISS APPLE AT ALL!!

Not only is my PC an absolute MONSTER (Intel i9 9980xe 18c/36t CPU , 64GB 4000hz Ram, Nvidia RTX 2080ti, 4TB M/2 NVME, Top end Motherboard, Full custom Watercooling Loop) that destroys ANY mac, it is also a hell of a lot cheaper and more stylish to look at than the new cheesegrater. Its fully upgradeable, easy to fix and above all...MY CHOICES ALL PUT TOGETHER. People really need to break the mould and stop funding this corrupt, greedy, self obsessed company. They dont care about you , they care about their profit. They claim to make the best products in the word, yet every single one of their products is gimped, purposely to make them the most profit.

Anyway , back next month for my next fix lol
There’s one of us here that moved from PC and flip phone to iphone, apple watch and Macmini. I do hate their soldering, price gouging, and refusal to sell parts.
 
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.....Which 99% of consumers don’t have the tools or basic knowledge to do that. Plus, by making the repair yourself, you relinquished all liability what else could go wrong if the repair is not made properly. I would rather allow a company like Apple to make the repair versus someone who watches a ‘YouTube video’ thinking they’re capable of doing it themself with no experience. Some repairs are easier than others, but it’s a ‘safe bet’ to allow a trained company representative to make the repair for you.

If Apple still made their products like they did a few years ago or made them with repairability in mind, consumers absolutely would be capable of (and have the tools to) make many changes or repairs themselves, especially since the repairs essentially always consist of swapping out a part (rather than repairing the part). I've done work on my computer and phone without issue. Apple makes their products difficult to repair, sometimes intentionally, other times needlessly.
 
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If Apple still made their products like they did a few years ago or made them with repairability in mind, consumers absolutely would be capable of (and have the tools to) make many changes or repairs themselves, especially since the repairs essentially always consist of swapping out a part (rather than repairing the part). I've done work on my computer and phone without issue. Apple makes their products difficult to repair, sometimes intentionally, other times needlessly.

As an unskilled user I replaced the front glass on my 3GS, the battery in my 5S, and removed the hard drive from an old MacBook to recover data from.

None of these are now possible with modern Apple products.
 
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This reminds me of 1Password excuse for abandoning licenses, "our customers prefer to have their data stored in the cloud for a subscription based system".

I understand they need to make Macs obsolete because computers are so powerful today they can last a decade easy, but what if the device malfunctions in less than expected life time? Bad battery? bad keyboard? bad monitor? Not everyone has an Apple store around the corner.
 
Louis Rossmann is about as far away as you can possibly get for an objective opinion about Apple.
I had an authorized repair for a MacBook Pro once. It turned out they forgot to connect the DVD drive and there was a DVD still stuck inside. So that's a total of 2 visits each at 2 weeks of "repair".
 
Be careful what you wish for, in the EU garages moaned they couldn’t repair cars as the computers were not available to them.
Now that’s to the inept EU in the EU the manufacturer diagnostic computers are freely available to buy, and the computer ports for cars are ALL in the same spot next to the steering wheel, so theives buy these computers, and thanks to EU law they can break into your car and access your ODB port without setting the alarm off, plug the computer in and steal your car.
Thanks to the EU car thefts went up drastically, all because those independent garages complained...
So, you fear a rise in macs thefts if they’re easier to repair or something?
 
That's what you wrote, is about Microsoft Surface, especially Surface Laptop. In MBP you can replace the battery or the keyboard. Why lie?

Really? I've had my MBP battery fail and let me tell you that no, you can't "just replace it". The entire top case, trackpad, keyboard, speakers and a bunch of other crap needs to be replaced, which costs as much as just buying a used MBP in a similar condition but with a good battery. There is no Apple computer in which you can replace just the battery, period.

Have you ever seen a butterfly keyboard replacement? No, because it can't be done. Here's proof if you don't believe me. Still think I'm making this stuff up?
 
Some of us put our own computers together, there are lots of gamers that do it. If you screw up a repair, then you screw up a repair. If you whine about it, then you’re an idiot to ignore. If you work on your car and screw it up, you go out to a mechanic to get it fixed right. It’s been happening for decades. You should ALWAYS have the right to repair your own stuff. Period. It’s so obvious I’m just not understanding the pushback - unless Apple and big business is paying people like you to post this stuff?
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So, you fear a rise in macs thefts if they’re easier to repair or something?

Phone thefts, the equipment they can buy could bypass Apple security, as it’ll be the same as Apple manufactures use. I agree you absolutely should be able to repair your own device, but wanted to highlight how that can also be a dangerous path to want because it may make manufacture secured equipment more easily available.
 
Louis Rossmann is about as far away as you can possibly get for an objective opinion about Apple.
If in this case you think 'objective' and 'fawning' are synonyms, sure. He's very pro independent repair, as you might expect. He's therefore very acerbic towards Apple's push to make it harder to repair their products, unnecessary removal of modular design in favour of everything being soldered to the board, etc. Like everyone he has his agenda, in his case his business is repairing electronics. You don't have to be completely 'objective' to none the less be pointing out valid complaints. He's setting out his stall as to why Apple's recent design decisions are bad. It's for you realise he has a specific vantage, and to seek the alternative viewpoint. Additionally, even someone who gives both sides of an argument isn't necessarily 'objective' themselves, they will likely still believe in one side or the other, just argue it less forcefully. It's perfectly possible to look at a device objectively, come to the conclusion it's trash and make that argument. As long as you're backing it up, you're still giving objective commentary. Consider if he was talking about why a $200 netbook was trash/ poor value for money while going through and giving reasons, and why a computer for even $350 would be better value for money, for example.

tl;dr - objective =/= balanced. You can make the argument he's not balanced, as he tends to only give one side. That doesn't mean he isn't objective though.
 
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Phone thefts, the equipment they can buy could bypass Apple security, as it’ll be the same as Apple manufactures use. I agree you absolutely should be able to repair your own device, but wanted to highlight how that can also be a dangerous path to want because it may make manufacture secured equipment more easily available.
I see your point. I still prefer a device I can upgrade and repair.
 
Your concerns are warranted. There's no compelling reason to subject consumers to its "protections". If Apple wants to offer added assurances for enterprise, the T2 should be a feature of an enterprise-centric Mac.

Apple has one main compelling reason, the percentage the App Store takes when you buy an app. It also gives Apple more control if they decide they don’t want something that competes with software made by Apple to be installed anymore.
 
Does literally everything have to be a superlative when it comes to Apple? I'm pretty sure that IBM -- which was founded in 1911, 75 years (!) before Apple -- must due to its age alone have MUCH more experience with support than Apple or ANY other tech company on the planet. After all, IBM was already selling computers before Steve Jobs was even born.

Welcome to missing the point.
Please re-read the orignal comment.
 
Really? You buy a second hand device from an unofficial retailer and if it turns out dodgy you'd blame the original company? I call BS. Plus, that person isn't buying from Apple in the first place so they're hardly lost custom, or do you imagine they'll be so upset about their purchase they'll organise some kind of campaign against Apple?
No, I would not buy a second hand Apple device at all. That is why I specifically said "if someone buys...". That someone would not be me. However, I still stand by my point. There is a second hand market for Apple products and it is not obvious if a used Apple product has had an unauthorized repair so anyone who does buy a second hand Apple product might very well attribute a problem with the product to Apple. Will they organize a boycott? I really doubt it. But could they tell their friends and co-workers and whoever listens to them on social media that Apple's quality is slipping? Absolutely.
 
The point is that it should be up to the business owner to make that decision.
They can just vote with their wallet. Apple isn't the only computer manufacturer around.
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Phone thefts, the equipment they can buy could bypass Apple security, as it’ll be the same as Apple manufactures use. I agree you absolutely should be able to repair your own device, but wanted to highlight how that can also be a dangerous path to want because it may make manufacture secured equipment more easily available.
this is an excellent reason not to have right to repair without Apple Authorization.
 
They can just vote with their wallet. Apple isn't the only computer manufacturer around.
only if you agree with the idea of hackintosh's, but dont be fooled the T2 chip is the camel's nose in the tent to eventually make them impossible.

not to mention even while they are currently possible it's potentially a moral or maybe even legal grey area depending on your jurisdiction.
 
Apple does have a point... Why would you want a school kid hat just graduated working on a Mac..

The unthinkable...

Who do you think Best Buy will have working on the Macs? With Apple's blessing?

That's ok, take a minute, I'll wait...

Yup.

So, Tim wants people to accept two things:

1: It's too *dangerous* for Apple to provide (under warranty) or sell people the parts and tools to service their own Macs and iOS devices.

2: But it'll be perfectly safe to have the nimrods at Best Buy do it.

Yup.

I envy the weed dealer in Cupertino. Obviously selling a lot of product.
 
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Apple does have a point... Why would you want a school kid hat just graduated working on a Mac..

a company founded by one founder who got expelled 1st year from college and another who is a drop out, when they started working on them...

now i wonder if you drop out of college whats your education level...
oh thats right your "a school kid that just graduated"
the fact is there are smart and dumb people of all ages and using school as that litmus test is flawed.
 
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