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I understand that bugs will happen. But I don't sense any urgency on Apple's part to correct these bugs. And when I pay $1400 for an iPhone, I expect to work as advertised.

I don't think there is a product you'd be happy with then. I understand what you're saying, but Apple is probably the most consistent company quality-wise.

With that said, apart from Siri (which is often frustrating, I have to say) my iPhone 12 Pro Max was smooth, reliable and a joy to use since I got it last year. It's an amazing phone, and actually has less issues then my first iPhone, which was a 4. And I loved that 4. Also, my old iPhone X is still very fast and snappy, even though it's 4 years old. Compared to older iPhones, that's crazy.

I know people like to say things like "since Steve....", but I have to say, I think Apple is the best it has ever been. And they are even a bit less stubborn. And I'd say they make some of the best iPhones, best iPads and best Macs they have ever made.
 
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Since iphone 11 pro didnt turned into a laggy turd and a lot of iphone x users still rock that phone hard without lag...that means you are trolling or living in the past of iphone 6/6s era

When you buy Hp windows pc/laptop that doesnt work or cant even install windows easly in 2020-2021..
You must be ignored.
That's because you didn't do any updates.
Once you go to iOS 15.2, it start seeing lag. Then wait until iOS 16 comes out. Battery life will go down 50%. This is the Apple way - cripple older devices to sell the newer ones.

Also, you're living in the past. Windows and Android are the best right now in terms of stability and speed. M1 Macs can't even web browse smoothly.
 
Just wait 1 year and your 13 Pro will turn into a laggy turd like all iPhones.

To the OP: You are correct. Apple products are some of the lowest quality stuff out there. Anyone that disagrees needs to try non-Apple products.
I am so tired every day worrying about whether an Intel architecture app is running in the background, when MacOS writes 100+ GB of data to the SSD daily or if I should update iOS 14 to iOS 15.2 since Apple is trying to cripple my devices. I already have other things in life I need to worry about. Apple products just give me more problems to deal with.

When you buy a Windows PC or an Android, everything just works so well and you don't have to worry about whether the manufacturer is trying to cripple your device. Windows PC and Android are just far less stressful to use than Apple products.

Bullocks as per usual. If I were this dissatisfied I’d be long gone and a customer elsewhere.
 
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Since iphone 11 pro didnt turned into a laggy turd and a lot of iphone x users still rock that phone hard without lag...that means you are trolling or living in the past of iphone 6/6s era

When you buy Hp windows pc/laptop that doesnt work or cant even install windows easly in 2020-2021..
You must be ignored.

That poster fetches it out of thin air at best. I’m personally not a fan of Siri at all and think it’s gotten worse with the last iOS but the constant claims of abuse and what not that some post here are utter nonsense.
 
That's because you didn't do any updates.
Once you go to iOS 15.2, it start seeing lag. Then wait until iOS 16 comes out. Battery life will go down 50%. This is the Apple way - cripple older devices to sell the newer ones.

Also, you're living in the past. Windows and Android are the best right now in terms of stability and speed. M1 Macs can't even web browse smoothly.

The usual unsubstantiated hot air. Battery life is fine with 15.2 on all of my devices that run it. Sweeping statements based on your one or two data points if even that.
 
This should have been the opening line. The build quality to me seems marginally worse. I have a 13 Pro and may end up returning it and going back to my Jet Black 7. Pretty average improvements in 5 years. Much heavier, fatter, and uglier though, the quality of the build seems to be worse imo. Wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't TWICE the price of iPhones 5 years ago. The Price is the real problem.

And yet, I find the build quality to be a positive. I like the feeling a heavier phone in my hand. I've looked at other phones (Samsung) and the quality of the materials pales in comparison to the iPhone materials. And yes, these issues wouldn't be so difficult to swallow if the price of the phone wasn't so astronomical.
 
good joke...todays devices are more software robust full of features than we got in the first iOS versions that also had some little issues even then
Today, we have the best overall smartphone in the shape of iPhone 13 pro/max
The best overall laptop/price in the shape of M1 Macbook air and 14" Macbook Pro
The best overall all in one in the shape of M1 24" iMac
The best overall totally wireless that shake the industry in the shape of airpods
The best overall tablet in the shape of 12.9" ipad pro
The best overall smartwatch that is like a semi doctor on your wrist...that can even save lives

Again you chose the timing wrong...if you came out with this remark 1-2 years ago when the macs with intel+butterfly keyboards and iphone 12 were around, then yes..., but in 2021..not even close

Apple just lack behind on Siri, home devices ,maps and some others things

So, Steve must be proud , they have overall the best devices on the market while also making the shareholders happy...a win win scenario that makes everyone happy but you and some others that dont think at cold

I'm not here to make jokes. You sound like a shareholder.

And I am not alone in my discontentment. Whenever I look up support on the Apple discussion forms for fixes or "work-arounds", THOUSANDS of people are posting with the same issues.
 
That's because you didn't do any updates.
Once you go to iOS 15.2, it start seeing lag. Then wait until iOS 16 comes out. Battery life will go down 50%. This is the Apple way - cripple older devices to sell the newer ones.

Also, you're living in the past. Windows and Android are the best right now in terms of stability and speed. M1 Macs can't even web browse smoothly.
Stop it...my iphone 11 pro and 13 pro max are both on 15.2 because of my business..and i rely on windows 10/11 non stop and of course on macOS for Maya
And with android i always try from 2 to 2 years....and this year was the S21...
Battery life goes down 50% because of ios16...Jesus the trolling...are you a prophet ? you know the future? :)))
No time to waste, ignored
 
I'm not here to make jokes. You sound like a shareholder.

And I am not alone in my discontentment. Whenever I look up support on the Apple discussion forms for fixes or "work-arounds", THOUSANDS of people are posting with the same issues.
again, im talking about current devices that apple released...are top notch overall
Thats im talking...again thousands of people from tens of millions is good enough, even great
Again from iphone 11 series, 12 series and 13 series...the 12 was IMO a regression and the worse device, the battery life was worse and the heat was on point, was one of my few iphone returned
 
You may get some dialogue if you start a constructive discussion on a clear point or aspect. A thread title like this will always raise some challenging.

Apple is not perfect. But neither was Steve Jobs. And Siri is bad. But personally I still see Apple as the leader. But each to their own decision and choice.

My point is clear; Apple product quality is slipping.

There is a clear issue with those responsible for coding. They seem to lack the understanding of how the individual components in a device work and how these individual components should be able to work together.

This is what you get when you replace 1 programmer with 40 years of experience with 5 new college graduates for the price of that 1 programmer with 40 years of experience.
 
My first iPhone was the 3GS. Currently, I own the iPhone 12 Pro. There have been many iPhones released between these two, the large majority of which I have owned. But the iPhone 12 Pro is the first of the iPhones that have left me completely disappointed. And as I research fixes and work-arounds to cope with the abundance of glitches, I have come to realize that it isn't the iPhone 12, but Apple in general whose quality has been on the decline.

Most recently, I began to research why Siri suddenly began asking me to repeat commands, right after saying "hey Siri". A quick search of the Apple discussion forums showed that over one thousand users had the same problem. And a Google search of the problem showed that this issue wasn't limited to the iPhone. There were people experiencing this issue with the Apple Watch and with Siri on the New MacBook Pro.

When the same problem spans many devices, the common denominator is coding. And this is sad as one of the most appealing things for me about Apple's products over the years has smooth and reliable operation of its devices.

It isn't a coincidence that these issues have become progressively worse since the passing of Steve Jobs. For Steve, the quality of the product was paramount. But since his passing, it seems that Apple's priority is about the bottom line and keeping shareholders happy, rather than the quality of the product.

Steve Jobs must be twisting in his grave.
So. Which workarounds do you actually have to use and what for?
 
again, im talking about current devices that apple released...are top notch overall
Thats im talking...again thousands of people from tens of millions is good enough, even great
Again from iphone 11 series, 12 series and 13 series...the 12 was IMO a regression and the worse device, the battery life was worse and the heat was on point, was one of my few iphone returned
Even if they’re not top notch. They certainly do have a top notch.
 
My point is clear; Apple product quality is slipping.

There is a clear issue with those responsible for coding. They seem to lack the understanding of how the individual components in a device work and how these individual components should be able to work together.

This is what you get when you replace 1 programmer with 40 years of experience with 5 new college graduates for the price of that 1 programmer with 40 years of experience.
What do you know about apples recruitment processes?
 
The usual unsubstantiated hot air. Battery life is fine with 15.2 on all of my devices that run it. Sweeping statements based on your one or two data points if even that.

That is something that puzzles me... claims of diminished battery life. I can get three days out of one charge. I think battery life is one of the things at which Apple excels.
 
My point is clear; Apple product quality is slipping.

There is a clear issue with those responsible for coding. They seem to lack the understanding of how the individual components in a device work and how these individual components should be able to work together.

This is what you get when you replace 1 programmer with 40 years of experience with 5 new college graduates for the price of that 1 programmer with 40 years of experience.
That’s your view. I do not see same overall quality slippage. I don’t see any justification for claims you make. Another apparent troll ignored.
 
I'm not here to make jokes. You sound like a shareholder.

And I am not alone in my discontentment. Whenever I look up support on the Apple discussion forms for fixes or "work-arounds", THOUSANDS of people are posting with the same issues.
He's a complete fanboy that doesn't know what he's talking about.
I have the M1 Mac, and it's by far the worst experience I've ever had on a computer.
Do you know how cumbersome it is checking to see how much data MacOS writes to your SSD daily? At one point, it was writing 100+ GB of data to the SSD daily. It is very frustrating and something I never had to do with Windows.
The M1 Mac also has performance issues with web browsing, something that an "inferior" Windows PC with i5-8400 and GTX 1050 ti can do with ease at 3440 x 1440p @ 144 hz. Scrolling through any website that has some moving graphical elementals turns into a laggy mess.

Have a look at this video. It perfectly captures the performance difference between a Mac and a Windows PC:
TechLead is also known for telling it like it is and holding no fanboy biases. He doesn't care who he's pissing off whereas other tech YouTubers need to be gentle when they're reviewing Apple products otherwise they would face backlash from their Apple fanboy audience. That's why you can never trust iJustine, Marques and other pro-Apple YouTubers.

 
For Steve, the quality of the product was paramount. But since his passing, it seems that Apple's priority is about the bottom line and keeping shareholders happy, rather than the quality of the product.
I sorely miss the focus being on function first, form second, which was always apparent during Steve's reign.

I owned an iPhone 4 and managed; I felt that design faux pas nothing compared to the functional steps backwards and/or issues with things the butterfly keyboard for the sake of being thinner than last year, the Touch Bar for the sake of forcing something new (and sacrificing the function keys that just work), and all the reduced intuitiveness of flat design and all the unnecessary plastic surgery forced interface reworkings starting with iOS7 and Yosemite.
 
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That is something that puzzles me... claims of diminished battery life. I can get three days out of one charge. I think battery life is one of the things at which Apple excels.

Three days is excellent! I wouldn’t pay any attention to claims a point upgrade in general kills 50% of the battery life. Sure hugs happen (not to mention the crap experience that is Siri…) but some folks are here purely to post nonsense. They’re easy to spot though.
 
I sorely miss the focus being on function first, form second, which was always apparent during Steve's reign.

I owned an iPhone 4 and managed; I felt that design faux pas nothing compared to the functional steps backwards and/or issues with things the butterfly keyboard for the sake of being thinner than last year, the Touch Bar for the sake of forcing something new (and sacrificing the function keys that just work), and all the reduced intuitiveness of flat design and all forced interface reworkings starting with iOS7 and Yosemite.
I can't comment on earlier Apple products, as I was mostly using Windows PC and Android until late this year.
However, I can say that Apple is definitely trying to be "unique" rather than releasing something that works well.

FaceID is a complete clownshow and the very definition of a useless gimmick. Apple - Take my advice and go copy Qualcomm/Samsung's ultrasonic fingerprint scanner. Even my first generation S10's under-the-diplay fingerprint scanner is far more reliable than the iPhone 13's inferior faceid.
The only time I had an issue with the S10's fingerprint scanner was if my finger was wet or dusty. Otherwise, it's very reliable, accurate and fast. The iPhone 13's faceid fails 50% of the time.
 
Just wait 1 year and your 13 Pro will turn into a laggy turd like all iPhones.
You're generalizing. I say that because 'all' iPhones means ALL iPhones and well, my iPhone 3GS, my 4, 4s, 5, 6s+ and iPhone 11 Pro Max don't lag.

So you can't include my iPhones in your statement. Which means you're generalizing.
 
IMO, I think what the OP and many others are struggling with is Apple's regression to the mean. Apple seems to be having more issues in the last few years with hardware QC, software stability, etc. But they're also making and selling more devices, and more types of devices, than at any other time in their history. And growth always brings problems with it. Face it: They've become (almost) ordinary. And end users who expect perfection from Apple (like what they've claimed to have had in the past) are disappointed.
 
IMO, I think what the OP and many others are struggling with is Apple's regression to the mean. Apple seems to be having more issues in the last few years with hardware QC, software stability, etc. But they're also making and selling more devices, and more types of devices, than at any other time in their history. Face it: They've become (almost) ordinary. And end users who expect perfection from Apple (like what they've claimed to have had in the past) are disappointed.
This is only half-true.
You're acting like other manufacturers have these issues, but they clearly don't. Anyone who has used Windows or Android in the past 5 years will tell you the quality is far about whatever Apple produces.
The S10's first generation in-display fingerprint scanner is very reliable while iPhone 13's faceID is a piece of trash.

This is not Apple's regression to the mean. It's more like sinking to the bottom of the quality index.
 
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