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You know I think there is something to be said for this that is probably not a great fit for a forum like this one, but here we are. I know sometimes I want to express my satisfaction or dissatisfaction with a product just because of "feel." I don't want to have to create a list of things to illustrate why I have an impression one way or another...it's an innate feel.

You're expressing a feeling one way (things just don't feel like they work as well as they used to) and sometimes I feel that way too. But I know over the years I've had the occasional friend or family ask why I use Mac instead of PC (and now iPhone instead of Android) and they'll list specs, but that can't capture the fact that I just have a history of being delighted by Apple's products and rewarded for using them with productivity, security, aesthetics and fun. And when it no longer feels that way, I know it. Even if it's just not that it works well or poorly, but that the implementation of it is intuitive or not to me. It's just a feeling.
Yeah…especially after seeing the USB C MacBook Pro, coming from a 2014 MBP. The hinge alone in the new vs the old tells the full story. The old one was solid, the new hinge was not nearly as stable and allowed the lid to wobble back and forth. Nitpicky, sure, but details like that tell you how much effort or penny pinching was involved.
 
I'm saying that Apple doesn't meet my expectations. And as a company that set the bar so high in the past, it is sad to see them sliding down such a crappy some.

Yes, I do remember the events you mention when Jobs was at the helm. But those issues didn't seem to linger the way issues today seem to.
  • The iPhone 4s had no fix for the antenna issue. The only resolution for that was to buy the iPhone 5.
  • MobileMe was a failure for a couple of years. I remember it not working that well. I had MobileMe and still have a MobileMe e-mail address.
  • In OS X 10.4 Tiger, there was a nasty bug in OS that would corrupt the file system. The only way to correct that when it happens was to use the program DiskWarrior.
  • In OX X 10.7 Lion there was bug with screen sharing that would lock up the computer. I used that a lot at the time and each time I had to restart 2 computers.
  • I had a 2002 17" G4 iMac (daisy). The hinge mechanism failed and I could not get the screen to stay up, causing it to drop down.
  • I had a 2003 iBook G4. After 2 years the cable that connected the screen to the logic board would cause the screen to go off simply by moving the screen forward or backward a slight amount.
  • I had a 2005 20" G5 iMac. The logic board failed 3 times. Apple replaced that with a 2008 27" iMac.
  • The 2008 27" iMac logic board failed 3 times. Apple replaced that with a 2011 27" iMac.
  • The 2011 27" iMac logic board failed 3 times. Apple replaced that with a 2015 27" iMac.
All these were when Steve Jobs was alive.
 
I'm not judging Apple on the performance of Siri. I'm judging based on my experience with iPhones... and only iPhones. And my experience is that the quality of the coding has deteriorated.

By coding you mean: maintenance of existing code bases and the addition of new features.

Like most other corporations Apple depends on contractors for this type of work. The bean counters at Apple love contractors because it's a cost effective way to ship software updates. The downside to this is that contractors are notorious for getting projects done quickly, but without the quality control you might expect if Apple did all of this work in-house.

Simply put-- the decline in quality in Apple software is the result of greed.
 
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You Don’t Have The Right To Complain Unless You’re Willing To Do Something​


Actually, you do but unless you do something, no one else is obligated to do anything either.
That was in reference to a poster who refused to report any issues to Apple and instead stated they were here to make sure that Apple sales would fall and to get people to boycott Apple.

It seems that some people are here to only complain about issues. Nothing constructive about any of that.
 
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I don't think Apple walks on water, just look at post #77. What is happening now is no different than any other year Apple has released a product that I know of since 2002. One of the reasons I keep coming back to Apple is how they have handled the issues I have had. It's their customer service that I think is top notch.
 
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Honestly, I get where you’re coming from but I don’t think Jobs is totally at fault. He definitely was there to keep the show moving to his liking and keep people on target, but the bigger issue is people themselves. Work ethic is not what it used to be. Any chance that employees get to slack off is celebrated as sticking it to the man (who helps you pay your bills btw). Combine that attitude with silicon valley entitlement and wokeness and there you go. Less work, more pay (which is seemingly never enough) is the mantra for some of those spoiled brats. I’ve lived in the bay, I can attest to it. Entitlement is huge.

Some y’all will downvote me but it’s true. People are lazy and want to shove the need to be more productive right back in their bosses’ faces. Generally speaking, the more woke the company, the worse it is.
This is the stupidest take I’ve heard in a long time. Making efforts to be more inclusive and diverse magically makes products worse. show me some actual evidence linking efforts of inclusion and diversity to worse outcomes for product quality. Also, if you looked at actual evidence worker productivity overall has gone way up and wages have stagnated. The same people that accuse people of making everything about race are blaming their perceived quality control issues on anti-racism with literally no evidence and lots of hyperbole. But yeah we‘re the ones obsessed with being “woke”, because caring about inequality is “too much”
 
Gut me, but everyone who says that they their device/s work flawlessly are just blind. Let me pick any iPhone or Mac and I’ll show you obvious bugs. Bet. Ey, try this out yourself, scroll in Photos and open App Switcher. I can’t get into the weeds of how poor iOS and macOS work today, riddled with bugs and glitches. I’d take me a day to list all current problems, including some present since iOS 11, introduced with the X. It’s a sad tale, but to know that I’m not alone feeling left disappointed makes me feel a little more understood, thanks OP.
 
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Since iphone 11 pro didnt turned into a laggy turd and a lot of iphone x users still rock that phone hard without lag...that means you are trolling or living in the past of iphone 6/6s era

When you buy Hp windows pc/laptop that doesnt work or cant even install windows easly in 2020-2021..
You must be ignored.
Wow, to say that someone with a different but very valid opinion must be ignored is already pretty sketchy, considering you’re a MacRumors member, but then SUSPENDING him, too, that’s biased through the roof. You should be suspended and ignored.
 
Gut me, but everyone who says that they their device/s work flawlessly are just blind. Let me pick any iPhone or Mac and I’ll show you obvious bugs. Bet. Ey, try this out yourself, scroll in Photos and open App Switcher. I can’t get into the weeds of how poor iOS and macOS work today, riddled with bugs and glitches. I’d take me a day to list all current problems, including some present since iOS 11, introduced with the X. It’s a sad tale, but to know that I’m not alone feeling left disappointed makes me feel a little more understood, thanks OP.
What issue is there with scrolling photos and bringing up the app switcher? I don't see any issue when I tried doing that. What am I suppose to see as the issue?

Of course, iOS, iPad OS, TV OS aren't bug free. What I am seeing is the case that some bugs that are found by some people are not happening with other people. For example, some people are experiencing an issue in iOS 15 where the storage calculation is incorrect. I have not experienced that issue even though I am using the same device and running the same version of iOS. I am experiencing the iOS 15 touch registration issue. Other people are not having that issue.
 
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Wow, to say that someone with a different but very valid opinion must be ignored is already pretty sketchy, considering you’re a MacRumors member, but then SUSPENDING him, too, that’s biased through the roof. You should be suspended and ignored.
The poster Applefakeshareholder is here to work people up. That poster stated that they will not report any issues to Apple and that they are here to make sure Apple sales fall and to get people to boycott Apple. That poster is basically trolling.
 
By coding you mean: maintenance of existing code bases and the addition of new features.

Like most other corporations Apple depends on contractors for this type of work. The bean counters at Apple love contractors because it's a cost effective way to ship software updates. The downside to this is that contractors are notorious for getting projects done quickly, but without the quality control you might expect if Apple did all of this work in-house.

Simply put-- the decline in quality in Apple software is the result of greed.

I did not know this. And I'm guessing contractors might sub-contract. It explains a lot.
 
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You Don’t Have The Right To Complain Unless You’re Willing To Do Something​


Actually, you do but unless you do something, no one else is obligated to do anything either.

I am trying to do something. I'm getting people to talk about it.

But based on some of the posts, you'd think I insulted their mother.
 
This is the stupidest take I’ve heard in a long time. Making efforts to be more inclusive and diverse magically makes products worse. show me some actual evidence linking efforts of inclusion and diversity to worse outcomes for product quality. Also, if you looked at actual evidence worker productivity overall has gone way up and wages have stagnated. The same people that accuse people of making everything about race are blaming their perceived quality control issues on anti-racism with literally no evidence and lots of hyperbole. But yeah we‘re the ones obsessed with being “woke”, because caring about inequality is “too much”
You do realize inequality is here to stay for eternity, right? Nobody, and I mean nobody wants to be equal to their peer, especially in the workplace. You’re always going to want better pay, more vacation time, etc than your peers and certainly more than your boss, depending of course on additional responsibilities. There are always gonna be bad/racist/sexist coworkers and that isn’t ok, I am not saying it is.

Apple markets themselves as one of the most progressive companies out there. That’s obviously BS because of the recent sexual harassment cases that have come to light, so how are those powerpoints and sexual harassment courses coming? You know, the ones that NOBODY wants to sit through or design. You sit there, wait for the timer to expire and click through, because most of it is common sense.

The more “equal” you try to make people, the more oppressed they become. It breeds a mentality of permanent oppression; you need protection or to be treated different (isn’t treating people different discrimination?) because someone is always trying to keep you down, which is a really toxic mentality to have, especially at work. That’s my personal opinion, and I refuse to allow anyone to put me down. Idgaf about color, sex orientation or anything. People are people. If you’re an ass to me then you’re getting it right back. If not, we’re cool. Keeping it simple like that would fix most of our problems, not powerpoints that try to convince us that we’re all oppressed.

Tell me, is productivity up because of anti-bias training or because people are working from home and don’t have to deal with people they can’t stand and are removed from office politics? At the end of the day, people go to work to work, not to get in arguments with coworkers. People have friends and lives outside of work to get into drama with, for better or worse.
 
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I don't think Apple walks on water, just look at post #78. What is happening now is no different than any other year Apple has released a product that I know of since 2002. One of the reasons I keep coming back to Apple is how they have handled the issues I have had. It's their customer service that I think is top notch.
No apple does walk on water and you will be upgrading to the iPhone 14 along with everybody else ok
 
I am trying to do something. I'm getting people to talk about it.

But based on some of the posts, you'd think I insulted their mother.
Funny thing about these forums. I have a Seneca that many don’t come to the forums for discussion, just validation. Kinda sad really.
 
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He is - and he’s doing it like last summer!

Well put. OP likely forgot that both Siri and Maps were at least partially developed under Jobs, and both were examples of mediocre coding under his tenure. I don’t mean to entirely discount OP’s argument, but it seems like an overreaction to me.

One thing I do occasionally wonder about is whether Cook is able to recruit and get people motivated as well as Jobs, but overall, the company has come up with several really well-designed (and arguably groundbreaking) products in the Cook era, including the Watch, AirPods, and M series chips, among others.
 
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I don't use Siri, but I do think that the quality of macOS at has declined. Back around Mountain Lion I found the OS to be rock solid. Since then new features I don't use have been added (with the exception of Air Drop) but I also get occasional crashes and freezes. However, stability doesn't get headlines, new features do. And from a marketing perspective a new feature working 99.9% of the time is better than bringing an old feature to a 100% success rate.

And if Steve Jobs was still alive, software quality likely wouldn't be much better, but he would be able to better convince the public it isn't a problem. Current execs use of the reality distortion field is only a fraction of what Steve could do.
 
I e honestly had a great experience with my iPhone 13 pro max. I play cod mobile and pubg and very intensive games. I use Siri constantly. The only real issue I’m having is voice to text has taken a dive into the toilet in the past few years. I use it a lot. And it never fails to mess up a sentence. Before it always got it right. But that isn’t much in my opinion. My phone is fast, no glitches (even on beta). Long battery life, great feeling device. I think it’s a beautiful device. Even with the camera bump and the notch. I’m happy with where the device is at. But I’m saying that. You’re allowed your own opinion.

As for Steve Jobs. I’m sure he doesn’t give two craps about where apple is today. A company is materialistic. And if there is an afterlife. I’m sure it doesn’t give any cares to material things here on earth.
 
Sometimes I get the feeling that 80-90% of this forum is group therapy to complain about first world problems...... and do nothing....

The other 10% come here to fix things and get stuff done.

I guess that is society in a nutshell.
 
@Dom46 Unfortunately Apples processes for development are stuck in the past. They have a very slow inefficient way of doing things. Their mid to high level managers have also been there since the 90s. So you can piece together why it’s run like this and a good reason why the bugs are getting out of hand. In order to survive in technology today you have to be efficient and current with modern ways of doing things. It all depends on who your direct boss is there but for many it’s not a great place to work because of this. That’s why they have such a high turn over rate. To make matters worse Apple doesn’t care because it’s a great resume builder and there’s always people willing to go there. And they know this. They are the 800lb gorilla. This information has come directly from the inside.
 
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Re: post 99. That is true in general. I must think that the world has changed so much that people just can't be happy with their lives anymore. Life is very very short and most of them don't realize that. For whatever time I have left on this planet, I want to make it a better place any way I can. I do agree with you in principle.
 
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