iPhone 12 Pro Apple, once cream of the crop has begun to curdle.

[TechRunner]

This is only half-true.
You're acting like other manufacturers have these issues, but they clearly don't. Anyone who has used Windows or Android in the past 5 years will tell you the quality is far about whatever Apple produces.
The S10's first generation in-display fingerprint scanner is very reliable while iPhone 13's faceID is a piece of trash.

This is not Apple's regression to the mean. It's more like sinking to the bottom of the quality index.

I use Windows 11 (Dell XPS 9510) and Android 12 (Pixel 3aXL) daily, and can tell you that, while my issues are few and far between (like with my M1 Mini and 7th gen iPad), I wouldn't say they've driven Apple to the bottom of the quality index. I'm glad you appreciate things outside the walled garden (I do too), but that's bordering on hyperbole.

 

[Taz Mangus]

It isn't a coincidence that these issues have become progressively worse since the passing of Steve Jobs. For Steve, the quality of the product was paramount. But since his passing, it seems that Apple's priority is about the bottom line and keeping shareholders happy, rather than the quality of the product.

Steve Jobs must be twisting in his grave.

People have short memories about the products under Steve Jobs. A few examples, MobileMe, iPhone 4S AntennaGate. I get a kick out of people saying "This would not have happened if Steve Jobs were still alive". Steve Jobs cared about the bottom line as much as Apple does right now. Apple is not a non-profit, they care about supply costs, engineering costs, support costs. Any good company would try and find ways to cut costs. That is how they stay in business.

Yet another thread to complain about Apple as if we don't have enough of the doom and gloom threads.

Today in Apple history: Steve Jobs acknowledges MobileMe failure

On August 4, 2008, the Apple CEO sent a memo to staffers addressing the massive mistakes made with the disastrous MobileMe launch.

www.cultofmac.com

Steve Jobs Says: "You're Holding It Wrong!"

In response to the new iPhone’s network problem.

www.firstpost.com

 

[AppleShareholder]

I use Windows 11 (Dell XPS 9510) and Android 12 (Pixel 3aXL) daily, and can tell you that, while my issues are few and far between (like with my M1 Mini and 7th gen iPad), I wouldn't say they've driven Apple to the bottom of the quality index. I'm glad you appreciate things outside the walled garden (I do too), but that's bordering on hyperbole.

The M1 Mac can't even web browse smoothly... It looks nice and has a nice UI. That's about it.
In terms of speed, stability and being stress-free, Windows PC and Android are at the top.

 

[ericwn]

IMO, I think what the OP and many others are struggling with is Apple's regression to the mean. Apple seems to be having more issues in the last few years with hardware QC, software stability, etc. But they're also making and selling more devices, and more types of devices, than at any other time in their history. And growth always brings problems with it. Face it: They've become (almost) ordinary. And end users who expect perfection from Apple (like what they've claimed to have had in the past) are disappointed.

I think you have a good point. Apple is mainstream these days. If you widen your customer base you scale the amount of people with issues accordingly as well.

 

[AppleShareholder]

I think you have a good point. Apple is mainstream these days. If you widen your customer base you scale the amount of people with issues accordingly as well.

Wrong. Windows PC sells far more than Macs, yet they rarely have such huge issues like:

• Writing 100-500 GB of data to SSD per day so that Apple can kill off your devices
• Can't even web browse smoothly
• Huge memory leaks

 

[ericwn]

The M1 Mac can't even web browse smoothly... It looks nice and has a nice UI. That's about it.
In terms of speed, stability and being stress-free, Windows PC and Android are at the top.

Hyperbole QED.

 

[ericwn]

Wrong. Windows PC sells far more than Macs, yet they rarely have such huge issues like:

• Writing 100-500 GB of data to SSD per day so that Apple can kill off your devices
• Can't even web browse smoothly
• Huge memory leaks

I didn’t make any sales claims yet selling north of a billion devices (and this thread is about iPhones, to remind you) is mainstream.

 

[TechRunner]

If you widen your customer base you scale the amount of people with issues accordingly as well.

Exactly!

 

[ericwn]

Exactly!

To add to that: people with issues gather and exchange information in forums such as this one and Apple’s discussion forums. Hence they grow and you find more issues.

 

[AppleShareholder]

Hyperbole QED.

It is not.
You can see it when you go full screen on any video. The lag as the bottom and top UI shifts to the left is very visible.
M1 Macs also have laggy scrolling performance on the 4chan Christmas theme.

 

[Taz Mangus]

To add to that: people with issues gather and exchange information in forums such as this one and Apple’s discussion forums. Hence they grow and you find more issues.

People reporting issues here is a very small percentage of all Apple users.

 

[Taz Mangus]

It is not.
You can see it when you go full screen on any video. The lag as the bottom and top UI shifts to the left is very visible.
M1 Macs also have laggy scrolling performance on the 4chan Christmas theme.

You Don’t Have The Right To Complain Unless You’re Willing To Do Something​

 

[ericwn]

People reporting issues here is a very small percentage of all Apple users.

Absolutely agree.

 

[lkalliance]

I think that too many people over-glorify the period when Jobs was the CEO. He was an excellent communicator and a perfectionist, no doubt. But everything was not perfect under his leadership, and the antennagate is just one of many examples. Apple since Jobs has significantly diversified its business, so chances of having a product, software or service with issues are higher.

That doesn’t mean I disagree with your general comment. I think that Apple needs to step up the quality it delivers, especially in their software (I also find Siri terrible). But I don’t think that the fault is solely on Cook and that everything would have been fine if jobs was still here.

The space we're in was different, then, too. When the iPhone was introduced, it had to do only so many different things. There was no App Store, there was no iCloud, there was no Apple Music, there were no multi-lens cameras, there was no lightning cable...there were only so many things Apple had to do perfectly to deliver a great phone with few bugs. Mr. Jobs was very good at that: distilling a product down to the small number of things it absolutely had to do perfectly. Either he was good at that or the tech world at the time rewarded that in a way it doesn't now.

Now our phone need to do SO MUCH. And much of what they do has to correlate with other devices and cloud services, and each of THEM can be set up many different ways. The amount of complexity is much much higher. I wish there were fewer bugs too...but I also wish the phone had to do less in order to give engineers a chance to really make it rock-solid.

 

[AppleShareholder]

Absolutely agree.

Just because only a small fraction of users complain doesn't mean that the problem shouldn't be fixed.
Both my mom and my girlfriend's 13 Pros are laggy turds on iOS 15.2, but neither of them could be bothered to file a complaint to Apple.
Do you think it's acceptable that you see lags and stutters on a $1000 phone? How about app crashes and stalling? Because that's what I'm seeing on the 13 Pro with iOS 15.2.
Even a $200 Android phone can run smoothly and remain stable. Why can't Apple do that with a $1000 phone with supposed top-of-the-line hardware?

 

[Dom46]

So. Which workarounds do you actually have to use and what for?

There are many, and most I just live with. But there are some that are particularly annoying:

1.
My iPhone is set to max volume for all aspects. But when I type, the keyboard clicks slowly get lower until they go silent. When my iPhone rings, it rings max, but by the third ring, it is barely audible. This leads to missed calls.

But the reason this is a big deal for me is because I use an app for glucose monitoring. I recently had an experience where I was being alerted, but the volume dropped all the way down and I wasn't hearing the alerts.

It wasn't until I was experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms that I looked to see my glucose level and saw that I was being alerted, but the volume was down.

It isn't until I reboot the phone that the problem is corrected. And it only lasts until the next time the phone rings.

2.
Apple CarPlay does not get along when plugged in to my car. I get ratchety performance on my car's touch screen which doesn't return to smooth, fluid operation until the phone is unplugged. There are other times when unplugging the phone alone is not enough and the problem isn't corrected until I shut the car and restart. And when I contact Apple, they blame Toyota. When I call Toyota, they blame Apple. As long as the phone isn't connected to the car, the car is fine.

3.
Also, there is an issue with call dropping. This is the phone, not the carrier. I have used this carrier since my first iPhone (3GS) without issue. In fact, I still have an iPhone 6s that is connected to the same carrier. I can talk on the iPhone 6s until the battery runs out without ever dropping the call. Yet, when I called Apple for support, my call to them dropped twice.

None of these have work-arounds. They are issues that need to be addressed by Apple. Clearly, quality control at Apple is absent as problems such as these should never make it to the end user.

 

[Dom46]

IMO, I think what the OP and many others are struggling with is Apple's regression to the mean. Apple seems to be having more issues in the last few years with hardware QC, software stability, etc. But they're also making and selling more devices, and more types of devices, than at any other time in their history. And growth always brings problems with it. Face it: They've become (almost) ordinary. And end users who expect perfection from Apple (like what they've claimed to have had in the past) are disappointed.

YES! This sums up what I'm feeling. Thank you.

I am struggling with Apple going from extraordinary to ordinary.

Well said!

 

[Dom46]

He's a complete fanboy that doesn't know what he's talking about.
I have the M1 Mac, and it's by far the worst experience I've ever had on a computer.
Do you know how cumbersome it is checking to see how much data MacOS writes to your SSD daily? At one point, it was writing 100+ GB of data to the SSD daily. It is very frustrating and something I never had to do with Windows.
The M1 Mac also has performance issues with web browsing, something that an "inferior" Windows PC with i5-8400 and GTX 1050 ti can do with ease at 3440 x 1440p @ 144 hz. Scrolling through any website that has some moving graphical elementals turns into a laggy mess.

Have a look at this video. It perfectly captures the performance difference between a Mac and a Windows PC:
TechLead is also known for telling it like it is and holding no fanboy biases. He doesn't care who he's pissing off whereas other tech YouTubers need to be gentle when they're reviewing Apple products otherwise they would face backlash from their Apple fanboy audience. That's why you can never trust iJustine, Marques and other pro-Apple YouTubers.

I will never go back to Windows based products. I've installed Ubuntu LTS on my desktop and my laptop is a MacBook Pro.

 

[BeefCake 15]

In my view, Apple is still the cream. My point is that the cream is starting to curdle. And if apple doesn't do something to release a product that is less glitchy, they won't be "king of the hill" for much longer.

Pick one it is or it isn't....It isn't for the title click bait but it isn't in the content so it won't seem too trolly.

 

[Dom46]

People have short memories about the products under Steve Jobs. A few examples, MobileMe, iPhone 4S AntennaGate. I get a kick out of people saying "This would not have happened if Steve Jobs were still alive". Steve Jobs cared about the bottom line as much as Apple does right now. Apple is not a non-profit, they care about supply costs, engineering costs, support costs. Any good company would try and find ways to cut costs. That is how they stay in business.

Yet another thread to complain about Apple as if we don't have enough of the doom and gloom threads.

Today in Apple history: Steve Jobs acknowledges MobileMe failure

On August 4, 2008, the Apple CEO sent a memo to staffers addressing the massive mistakes made with the disastrous MobileMe launch.

www.cultofmac.com

Steve Jobs Says: "You're Holding It Wrong!"

In response to the new iPhone’s network problem.

www.firstpost.com

I'm saying that Apple doesn't meet my expectations. And as a company that set the bar so high in the past, it is sad to see them sliding down such a crappy some.

Yes, I do remember the events you mention when Jobs was at the helm. But those issues didn't seem to linger the way issues today seem to.

 

[Dom46]

Pick one it is or it isn't....It isn't for the title click bait but it isn't in the content so it won't seem too trolly.

Yes, you make a fair point. I have contradicted myself. It was an emotional title, but not intended to be clickbait.

To answer your question, I would still choose an iPhone over anything else out there, even with its long list of glitches.

 

[lkalliance]

I'm saying that Apple doesn't meet my expectations. And as a company that set the bar so high in the past, it is sad to see them sliding down such a crappy some.

You know I think there is something to be said for this that is probably not a great fit for a forum like this one, but here we are. I know sometimes I want to express my satisfaction or dissatisfaction with a product just because of "feel." I don't want to have to create a list of things to illustrate why I have an impression one way or another...it's an innate feel.

You're expressing a feeling one way (things just don't feel like they work as well as they used to) and sometimes I feel that way too. But I know over the years I've had the occasional friend or family ask why I use Mac instead of PC (and now iPhone instead of Android) and they'll list specs, but that can't capture the fact that I just have a history of being delighted by Apple's products and rewarded for using them with productivity, security, aesthetics and fun. And when it no longer feels that way, I know it. Even if it's just not that it works well or poorly, but that the implementation of it is intuitive or not to me. It's just a feeling.

 

[AetherMass]

My first iPhone was the 3GS. Currently, I own the iPhone 12 Pro. There have been many iPhones released between these two, the large majority of which I have owned. But the iPhone 12 Pro is the first of the iPhones that have left me completely disappointed. And as I research fixes and work-arounds to cope with the abundance of glitches, I have come to realize that it isn't the iPhone 12, but Apple in general whose quality has been on the decline.

Most recently, I began to research why Siri suddenly began asking me to repeat commands, right after saying "hey Siri". A quick search of the Apple discussion forums showed that over one thousand users had the same problem. And a Google search of the problem showed that this issue wasn't limited to the iPhone. There were people experiencing this issue with the Apple Watch and with Siri on the New MacBook Pro.

When the same problem spans many devices, the common denominator is coding. And this is sad as one of the most appealing things for me about Apple's products over the years has smooth and reliable operation of its devices.

It isn't a coincidence that these issues have become progressively worse since the passing of Steve Jobs. For Steve, the quality of the product was paramount. But since his passing, it seems that Apple's priority is about the bottom line and keeping shareholders happy, rather than the quality of the product.

Steve Jobs must be twisting in his grave.

You choose the correct avatar for this account.

 

[mariusignorello]

My first iPhone was the 3GS. Currently, I own the iPhone 12 Pro. There have been many iPhones released between these two, the large majority of which I have owned. But the iPhone 12 Pro is the first of the iPhones that have left me completely disappointed. And as I research fixes and work-arounds to cope with the abundance of glitches, I have come to realize that it isn't the iPhone 12, but Apple in general whose quality has been on the decline.

Most recently, I began to research why Siri suddenly began asking me to repeat commands, right after saying "hey Siri". A quick search of the Apple discussion forums showed that over one thousand users had the same problem. And a Google search of the problem showed that this issue wasn't limited to the iPhone. There were people experiencing this issue with the Apple Watch and with Siri on the New MacBook Pro.

When the same problem spans many devices, the common denominator is coding. And this is sad as one of the most appealing things for me about Apple's products over the years has smooth and reliable operation of its devices.

It isn't a coincidence that these issues have become progressively worse since the passing of Steve Jobs. For Steve, the quality of the product was paramount. But since his passing, it seems that Apple's priority is about the bottom line and keeping shareholders happy, rather than the quality of the product.

Steve Jobs must be twisting in his grave.

Honestly, I get where you’re coming from but I don’t think Jobs is totally at fault. He definitely was there to keep the show moving to his liking and keep people on target, but the bigger issue is people themselves. Work ethic is not what it used to be. Any chance that employees get to slack off is celebrated as sticking it to the man (who helps you pay your bills btw). Combine that attitude with silicon valley entitlement and wokeness and there you go. Less work, more pay (which is seemingly never enough) is the mantra for some of those spoiled brats. I’ve lived in the bay, I can attest to it. Entitlement is huge.

Some y’all will downvote me but it’s true. People are lazy and want to shove the need to be more productive right back in their bosses’ faces. Generally speaking, the more woke the company, the worse it is.

 

[golftime]

I wish I hadn't read this, because I have to agree with the premise that for the price, Apple could be doing better. The worst part is my wife just upgraded to a 13 PM, and I was thinking of jumping from my 7 plus to a 13 PM, and I amseriously questioning if the improvements are worth the cost. I keep hoping the next generation will be a home run and make my decision easy, but not happening.