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I'll give Mplayer a try. My MBP is only a 2.4GHz C2D so hopefully it doesn't turn into an oven. Plex is nice but the audio on it is extremely low for some reason so it's unusable.

Back to topic, I really hope Apple will change their mind and offer support for the older Nvidia cards that support h.264 acceleration. All these other solutions aren't very elegant.

2.4 will be just fine. My friends plastic white MacBook with 2Ghz CoreDuo can play 1080p files easily with mplayer/plex.

About getting hot, oh it will get quite hot.
 
I don't understand why Apple didn't use Open CL to implement this into the OS. With Open CL, automatically all GPUs (that support OpenCL) would've been able to accelerate video and not just this handfull...

It's possible, but it would take a lot of work to do it in a way which will work in all GPU's.

What Apple is doing is much simpler to do, since Nvidia already puts special chips in their GPU's to accelerate H.264. Apple is using that.

Using Open CL would basically use the stream processors in the GPU's, not the H.264 acceleration part, and it'd actually spend more power to do the same job even if it's the GPU power.

But in any case, there's a project to implement Open CL for X.264, but it looks like it's years away for now. So I'm assuming it's quite a complicated task.
 
The key word here is "probably". I have a feeling that Adobe will keep Flash closed as long as they have the upper hand, but as soon as they start to feel seriously threatened I think they'll open it up, like they did with PDF (now an open standard). They have nothing to lose, really, the darn player has always been free anyway. It exists only to drive sales of Flash Professional which is an excellent environment to work in, with or without the Flash player as target. You can apparently export to HTML5 Canvas in Flash CS5, which I guess makes Flash the only decent professional tool for producing Canvas stuff...


Assuming that Adobe can keep the Flash player ahead of HTML5 or whatever turns out to be the next ratified standard which is unlikely. The key word being "unlikely" of course :D
 
It's like this

Windows 90%
OS X 9%
Linux 1%
So it's around 10x on each jump. :)

In the US maybe your figures are correct. Worldwide OSX share is probably more like 6-7%. In the UK it's probably even less.
 
I hope the fanboys take note of this. Flash sucks on OSX because of Apple. I've used it on Windows for years, and it runs perfectly. Hopefully this will go to alleviate some of the differences.

On that note, I've had more crashes caused my Flash on my Windows machine than I ever have had on my Mac, and I use my Mac way more.

I think the belief that Flash experience is better on the PC than the Mac is completely false. Sure it might be slower, but when it comes to bugs and crashes, it happens way more often to me on Windows.
 
Thank you! Everyone just missed that little detail did they??? :rolleyes:

Actually this article is wrong.. Flash has had VIDEO hardware acceleration for flash on Windows for about 2 years now. The 10.1 hardware acceleration that they are talking about is for VECTOR.. not VIDEO.

Just wanted to clear that up for the people thinking Windows JUST got hardware acceleration with 10.1.
 
Actually this article is wrong.. Flash has had VIDEO hardware acceleration for flash on Windows for about 2 years now. The 10.1 hardware acceleration that they are talking about is for VECTOR.. not VIDEO.

Just wanted to clear that up for the people thinking Windows JUST got hardware acceleration with 10.1.

Wrong again. You can check the adobe's flash 10.1 technology page and among the new features of flash 10.1 you have

H.264 video hardware decoding
Flash Player 10.1 introduces hardware-based H.264 video decoding to deliver smooth, high quality video with minimal overhead across mobile devices and PCs. Using available hardware to decode video offloads tasks from the CPU, improving video playback performance, reducing system resource utilization, and preserving battery life.

So H.264 decoding has never been a part of flash before.

Also the vector acceleration is ONLY for mobile phones. Every OS, including OS X, has 2D acceleration which also applies to flash content to some degree. Although Windows might be better on this one.

Graphics hardware acceleration
(Mobile only)
A GPU-based vector renderer replaces the software renderer on smartphones and other mobile devices, resulting in faster rendering performance for more expressive user experiences while consuming less power. Supports hardware acceleration of all rendering, including vector graphics, bitmaps, 3D effects, filters, color transforms, alpha, device and embedded text, Saffron type, and cacheAsBitmap.
 
Flash Sucks

I hope the fanboys take note of this. Flash sucks on OSX because of Apple. I've used it on Windows for years, and it runs perfectly. Hopefully this will go to alleviate some of the differences.

Sorry. Flash sucked massively long before Adobe bought Macromedia. Adobe has had a significant amount of time to do something about it but for one reason or another have failed to.

IMHO Flash sucks and will continue to suck, this won't make any real difference. If they were serious about delivering a Flash product that performed well on Macs, they would have done it by now.
 
I hope Adobe ignore the fact that Apple are now opening their arms to them.

Looking at other posts Apple users Hate Flash.

If they hate flash let them live without it.

But then again, I suppose thats why Apple introduced Bootcamp eh.

So you can boot into another OS that can handle flash.

I dont hear Linux users crying over Flash.

Just OSX users. Weird that.
 
I hope Adobe ignore the fact that Apple are now opening their arms to them.

Looking at other posts Apple users Hate Flash.

If they hate flash let them live without it.

But then again, I suppose thats why Apple introduced Bootcamp eh.

So you can boot into another OS that can handle flash.

I dont hear Linux users crying over Flash.

Just OSX users. Weird that.

Linux users not only cry over Flash, they scream. Flash on Linux is at even a worse state than OS X.
But since there aren't many Linux users out there, you don't hear those screams unless you are sitting next to them in a coffee shop. :)
 
Now the ball is in adobe's court. i really hope flash still doesn’t suck after they add this.
 
Linux users not only cry over Flash, they scream. Flash on Linux is at even a worse state than OS X.
But since there aren't many Linux users out there, you don't hear those screams unless you are sitting next to them in a coffee shop. :)

Ok fair enough,

But my point is that Linux users dont hate Flash.

They want to work with it.

Get the best out of it and incorporate it into their OS.

From the whining girls who own macs on here their point is that they dont want Flash.

Fine.

Dont go to flash based sites then.

Stop crying, and let Adobe do their own thing.

Apple have discarded Adobe like a dirty **** buddy.

They wont let them all the way in but when they turn up with CS5 they will let them spend the night and do the nasty business, then send them away again.

I am sure Windows has a spare room for them to settle down in instead.
 
Ok fair enough,

But my point is that Linux users dont hate Flash.

They want to work with it.

Get the best out of it and incorporate it into their OS.

From the whining girls who own macs on here their point is that they dont want Flash.

Fine.

Dont go to flash based sites then.

Stop crying, and let Adobe do their own thing.

Apple have discarded Adobe like a dirty f*ck buddy.

They wont let them all the way in but when they turn up with CS5 they will let them spend the night and do the nasty business, then send them away again.

I am sure Windows has a spare room for them to settle down in instead.

I as an internet user (not as a mac user) don't like flash content on the web. Flash websites are a waste of time in terms of browsing. You need to wait for all those animations to finish to navigate and the UI is different for each site, it's annoying as hell. I want efficiency when I'm browsing the web. I want to get to that download or to the purchase I want to make in half the time.

Flash is just unnecessary eyecandy for me.

Flash advertisements don't fall into this category. Advertisements will be there whether through flash or some other platform. But at least they are not the actual content.

Flash games are amazing on the other hand. There are tons of simple and quite fun games written in Flash CS and they should stay. They are not part of the web experience. If you want to play the game, you visit the website and play it, so the reason you are on the website is to play the game in the first place, so the game is not prohibiting you to access other stuff on the website.

Flash video is nonsense. Video on web should not require a plugin. HTML5 is the only sane way to go.
 
When should we expect Adobe to implement and reflect this update in Flash? Weeks, months?

This should be a pretty simple thing to do for Adobe. But don't forget that it only supports 3 Nvidia GPU's. So don't expect a performance increase on your newest iMac or Mac Pro.
 
I hope the fanboys take note of this. Flash sucks on OSX because of Apple. I've used it on Windows for years, and it runs perfectly. Hopefully this will go to alleviate some of the differences.

I would buy an iPad were it not for Job's decision to Not allow flash on this beautiful device. I, also, have no trouble with flash on XP and linux.
 
I hope Adobe ignore the fact that Apple are now opening their arms to them.

Looking at other posts Apple users Hate Flash.

If they hate flash let them live without it.

But then again, I suppose thats why Apple introduced Bootcamp eh.

So you can boot into another OS that can handle flash.

I dont hear Linux users crying over Flash.

Just OSX users. Weird that.

Linux users not only cry over Flash, they scream. Flash on Linux is at even a worse state than OS X.
But since there aren't many Linux users out there, you don't hear those screams unless you are sitting next to them in a coffee shop. :)

Exactly, you don't here them cry because there aren't any of them. Flash on Linux (every distro, every kernel, every browser) sucks.

I would buy an iPad were it not for Job's decision to Not allow flash on this beautiful device. I, also, have no trouble with flash on XP and linux.

I imagine you have spent a sum total of 30 seconds using flash on linux then, or you have very very low standards.
 
I'm not looking forward to this. Hitting the hardware directly is an excellent way to kernel panic a machine if you make the slightest mistake... and I don't think Adobe have a great track record of making non-buggy software for OS X.
 
I'm not looking forward to this. Hitting the hardware directly is an excellent way to kernel panic a machine if you make the slightest mistake... and I don't think Adobe have a great track record of making non-buggy software for OS X.

Every application hits the hardware, since CPU is part of the hardware as well.

And no, using Apple supplied API to do this shouldn't create any problems. They are not hitting the hardware on their own, they are going the way Apple tells them to.
 
Exactly, you don't here them cry because there aren't any of them. Flash on Linux (every distro, every kernel, every browser) sucks.

I imagine you have spent a sum total of 30 seconds using flash on linux then, or you have very very low standards.

Perhaps I do not understand what You and others mean by flash. To me, having the system ability to view "tube" vids is my requirement. In Ubuntu, for example, through the "synaptic package manager", I install "ubuntu-restricted-extras" and am able to view Anything I view on XP. The VLC player handles Every download for me.

Are Apple standards somehow Higher than those of Linux or Windows?
 
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