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Apple has formally objected the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed repeal of the Clean Power Plan in the United States.

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In a letter submitted to the agency today, Apple said repealing the policy would subject the company and its manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty in relation to clean energy, according to Reuters.
"Repealing the Clean Power Plan will subject consumers like Apple and our large manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty," the California-based company said in a filing to the agency.

Apple, which says it runs its U.S. operations fully on renewable energy such as wind and solar power, added that repeal of the plan would also threaten development and investments that have already been made in renewable power.
The EPA proposed to repeal the Clean Power Plan in October 2017 after U.S. President Donald Trump mandated a review of the Obama-era environmental policy, which would have required U.S. power plants to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions to 32 percent below 2005 levels by 2030.

Apple is the first company to publicly comment on the proposed repeal, which has yet to proceed due to legal challenges, according to the report. The policy's elimination is said to remain a priority of the EPA's administrator Scott Pruitt.

Apple's environmental website notes that 100 percent of the electricity the company uses to power its data centers, and 96 percent used by its facilities worldwide, comes from renewable energy sources like solar, hydro, and wind power. Many of Apple's suppliers have also committed to using 100 percent renewable energy.

Apple's environmental chief Lisa Jackson served as the EPA's administrator between 2009 and 2013 as part of the Obama administration.

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Article Link: Apple Opposes Proposed Repeal of Clean Power Plan in United States
 

MarkB786

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Totally irrelevant what Apple thinks about this. This rule is applicable to power plants, not ivory tower companies like Apple. I very much doubt Apple really spends time understanding this rule or its impacts. And if they do, those resources should be spent thinking about Apple products or perhaps environmental rules that actually are relevant to them. This is very obviously an opportunistic statement by Timmy and company.

Total bunk and nonsensical language: "Repealing the Clean Power Plan will subject consumers like Apple and our large manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty," the California-based company said in a filing to the agency.Apple, which says it runs its U.S. operations fully on renewable energy such as wind and solar power, added that repeal of the plan would also threaten development and investments that have already been made in renewable power."
 

robinp

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Totally irrelevant what Apple thinks about this. This rule is applicable to power plants, not ivory tower companies like Apple. I very much doubt Apple really spends time understanding this rule or its impacts. And if they do, those resources should be spent thinking about Apple products or perhaps environmental rules that actually are relevant to them. This is very obviously an opportunistic statement by Timmy and company.
Sad state of affairs when the US government gives up trying to protect the environment such that a corporation feels the need to step in.
 

MarkB786

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Sad state of affairs when the US government gives up trying to protect the environment such that a corporation feels the need to step in.

Tim Cook for president! And then he could bring all of his Apple clowns with him to the cabinet. Couldn't be any worse than the past four or five administrations.
 
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If Apple is committed to renewable energy repealing this bill shouldn't alter their stance on the issue, no-ones saying you can't get 100% of your electricity from renewable sources. The only thing Apple will moan about is small companies that could never afford to put practices in place to meet the clean energy bill now don't have to, they can operate their businesses and provide competition whereas before only the rich would be allowed to play.
 
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PracticalMac

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On the surface one could think Apple has no say.

Dig down, and there is sound economic reason behind the statement.
If pollution and environmental damage effects people livelihoods, how can they afford to purchase products?

The economy is influenced by everything.


Example:

90+% of scientist believe the earth is getting warmer and that will drastically effect climate conditions. People will have to spend more to counter the climate changes, reducing disposable income. An iPhone is not as important as a roof.
 

nostresshere

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I would love to understand how 96% of their retail facilities are using renewable energy. So many of these are located inside malls and other buildings owned by others with little to no way to get access to wind, solar, etc.

Not arguing... just would love to see how they do that.
 

X38

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So how does EPA not requiring Apple to use wind & solar power prevent Apple from using wind & solar power if they want to? It's not like the EPA is proposing a rule change that says anyone is prevented from using wind & solar power. If Tim likes his windmills, Tim can keep his windmills.
Unless there is some implicit corporate welfare gift for using wind & solar power in the current EPA rule that Apple will loose if the rule changes?
 

guzhogi

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Wherever my feet take me…
Is there any Obama-era policy that Trump hasn’t reflexively reversed?
Let's just hope he doesn't bring back Osama bin Laden. Terrorists are bad enough, but zombie terrorists?

On topic, while I doubt it'll affect Apple too much, I wouldn't mind seeing continued investment in renewable energy. Something I kind of wonder: has Apple invested anything into piezoelectricity? Maybe install some of those things in the walking paths of Apple Park, produce a bit more energy?
 

Pbrutto

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It still entertains me to no end that we as a people debate if we should protect the environment. WHO CARES about climate change.....even if it isn't real, why trash the place we live? Who are we to trash this place for future generations in the name of making things easy for us now or saving money now? I appreciate that Apple tries to push us forward in this area and I am glad a company with as much money as they have takes up the fight. Lets be honest, big business with money is the only force that can defend the planet. We can protest all we want, but it is companies like Apple that can help influence change. If we all voted with our money, now that might help.....
 

OneZweiThree

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Total bunk and nonsensical language: "Repealing the Clean Power Plan will subject consumers like Apple and our large manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty," the California-based company said in a filing to the agency.Apple, which says it runs its U.S. operations fully on renewable energy such as wind and solar power, added that repeal of the plan would also threaten development and investments that have already been made in renewable power."

How exactly is that nonsensical? Apple wants to
Totally irrelevant what Apple thinks about this. This rule is applicable to power plants, not ivory tower companies like Apple. I very much doubt Apple really spends time understanding this rule or its impacts. And if they do, those resources should be spent thinking about Apple products or perhaps environmental rules that actually are relevant to them. This is very obviously an opportunistic statement by Timmy and company.

Total bunk and nonsensical language: "Repealing the Clean Power Plan will subject consumers like Apple and our large manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty," the California-based company said in a filing to the agency.Apple, which says it runs its U.S. operations fully on renewable energy such as wind and solar power, added that repeal of the plan would also threaten development and investments that have already been made in renewable power."


Totally irrelevant what you think about this statement, either. But damn, isn’t free speech something beautiful?
 

X38

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I would love to understand how 96% of their retail facilities are using renewable energy. So many of these are located inside malls and other buildings owned by others with little to no way to get access to wind, solar, etc.

Not arguing... just would love to see how they do that.

And no way to individually have their own power routed to them independently of the rest of the building and the local power grid they are located in. It's all just a feel-good paperwork game in the electric billing. Same thing as getting one of those electricity contracts for your house that says you use 'X' type of power but you are still connected to the same power lines as everyone else on your street and which are powered by the same grid and the same power plants. It's not like the electric company can tell which electrons to go to which house or business over the same wires.
 

MarkB786

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Oh boy - protect the environment? From what?

From all of us. It's not the power companies that are the issue. It's the US consumer and our sloppy/careless use of power and other resources. Further, Environmental Justice advocates demand cheap power for lower-income groups. So the dems demand environmental regs but also demand cheap power. Difficult to have both. US should consider a "green tax" on all electric bills that would go toward funding renewable power infrastructure.
 

lederermc

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Totally irrelevant what Apple thinks about this. This rule is applicable to power plants, not ivory tower companies like Apple. I very much doubt Apple really spends time understanding this rule or its impacts. And if they do, those resources should be spent thinking about Apple products or perhaps environmental rules that actually are relevant to them. This is very obviously an opportunistic statement by Timmy and company.

Total bunk and nonsensical language: "Repealing the Clean Power Plan will subject consumers like Apple and our large manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty," the California-based company said in a filing to the agency.Apple, which says it runs its U.S. operations fully on renewable energy such as wind and solar power, added that repeal of the plan would also threaten development and investments that have already been made in renewable power."
You are 100% wrong. Changes to the EPA rules on power plants does add uncertainty to the cost of electricity. The cost of electricity does impact investments by all consumers and large companies.
 

PracticalMac

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I would love to understand how 96% of their retail facilities are using renewable energy. So many of these are located inside malls and other buildings owned by others with little to no way to get access to wind, solar, etc.

Not arguing... just would love to see how they do that.

Simple:
Purchase renewable from other locations, even if that power is not directly used by an Apple Store.
Cant recall what term for this is, "offset...?"
 

az431

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Totally irrelevant what Apple thinks about this. This rule is applicable to power plants, not ivory tower companies like Apple. I very much doubt Apple really spends time understanding this rule or its impacts. And if they do, those resources should be spent thinking about Apple products or perhaps environmental rules that actually are relevant to them. This is very obviously an opportunistic statement by Timmy and company.

Not irrelevant because rules cannot be enacted or repealed without public comment.

Total bunk and nonsensical language: "Repealing the Clean Power Plan will subject consumers like Apple and our large manufacturing partners to increased investment uncertainty," the California-based company said in a filing to the agency.Apple, which says it runs its U.S. operations fully on renewable energy such as wind and solar power, added that repeal of the plan would also threaten development and investments that have already been made in renewable power."

The irony of calling something bunk and nonsensical without any rationale whatsoever.
 

2010mini

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Doesn’t an increase in renewable energy and more efficient power plants indirectly affect our petrol based dollar?
 
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