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If they genuinely want to get into this streaming thing they really need to hire people that have a clue. They seem really out of touch with what’s popular.
I still expect each day to read that either Apple or Amazon have bought Netflix.
 
If they genuinely want to get into this streaming thing they really need to hire people that have a clue. They seem really out of touch with what’s popular.
You cannot make that assessment at this stage. The only show that Apple ever made all by themselves was POTA, but that was a highly specific app related reality show (Apple are the app store) and was well before Apple hired all the outside TV talent for this larger project. Carpool Karaoke existed already, and again was a specific type of thing (Apple Music/reality show about music with music talent celebs all doing the same thing). None of those two things were traditional narrative shows like these coming efforts will be. It's shortsighted to conclude anything at this point. The facts are in the past, the future is not yet fact.
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They can’t afford Netflix.
It's not that they cannot afford them, but that they'd rather fund $80B worth of content than acquire all of Netflix's original shows. Netflix would be a culture clash for Apple at this point. Netflix are so user hostile user interface wise it is comical at this point.
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I still expect each day to read that either Apple or Amazon have bought Netflix.
If it hasn't happened in the past five years it won't happen now at Netflix's current overvaluation.
 
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You cannot make that assessment at this stage. The only show that Apple ever made all by themselves was POTA, but that was a highly specific app related reality show (Apple are the app store) and was well before Apple hired all the outside TV talent for this larger project. Carpool Karaoke existed already, and again was a specific type of thing (Apple Music/reality show about music with music talent celebs all doing the same thing). None of those two things were traditional narrative shows like these coming efforts will be. It's shortsighted to conclude anything at this point. The facts are in the past, the future is not yet fact.
Yes, it’s too early to tell, but they’re leaving a lot to be desired at this point.

It's not that they cannot afford them, but that they'd rather fund $80B worth of content than acquire all of Netflix's original shows. Netflix would be a culture clash for Apple at this point. Netflix are so user hostile user interface wise it is comical at this point.
Netflix’s current market value is over $120 billion. They actually overtook Disney for a bit earlier this year. There’s no way Apple would fork out half of their total cash reserve for Netflix.
 
And yet so far they’ve nothing to show for it.


Wow. I can't imagine your continual disappointment when a major producer, director, etc., signs up with Apple and then you can't watch the show the next wee or two. Take our word for it; that's not how this works.
 
I have come to the conclusion rather late the JJ is over rated. His "mystery box" is not cleaver or suspenseful, but lazy and bad writing. Also you know you wont ever get a pay off because he doesn't know what they are either. He has become like M Night Shaymalan, had a couple of hits, but now his formula is shallow and predictable.
 
Wow. I can't imagine your continual disappointment when a major producer, director, etc., signs up with Apple and then you can't watch the show the next wee or two. Take our word for it; that's not how this works.
I’ve yet to like anything Apple has produced and J.J. has had some pretty crappy work lately. You can imagine all you like, I’m doing just fine. :cool:
 
Is Apple trying to make Netflix look good??? I mean, each and every show that has been announced seems a boring fest full of Apple exec’s friends.

I know what you are saying and I agree for the most part, but the announced sci-fi shows do genuinely interest me. Apple is taking over the Foundation series from HBO, and also Ronald D Moore is making an untitled show for Apple.

The Foundation books are solid sci-fi and I hope Apple can do them justice. Apple kept the scripts and talent that HBO had picked, so I have good expectations since HBO has a good track record.

Ronald D Moore has excellent sci-fi cred as well.
 
I know what you are saying and I agree for the most part, but the announced sci-fi shows do genuinely interest me. Apple is taking over the Foundation series from HBO, and also Ronald D Moore is making an untitled show for Apple.

The Foundation books are solid sci-fi and I hope Apple can do them justice. Apple kept the scripts and talent that HBO had picked, so I have good expectations since HBO has a good track record.

Ronald D Moore has excellent sci-fi cred as well.

Yeah, I hope you're right, but HBO starts with the idea that "anything goes". Apple starts with the idea that they have to be family friendly and such. I don't see it going well.
 
Yes, it’s too early to tell, but they’re leaving a lot to be desired at this point.

Netflix’s current market value is over $120 billion. They actually overtook Disney for a bit earlier this year. There’s no way Apple would fork out half of their total cash reserve for Netflix.

Netflix are completely overvalued. Apple had years to acquire them before now. I suspect early on they figured Netflix would be a culture clash and many of those content deals likely evaporate if Netflix are acquired. So the only thing you get is their original content, most of which is not very good.

I agree they are leaving a lot to be desired. POTA was terrible and Carpool Karaoke is certainly not for me. But to be fair to Apple, they have a lot of variety planned and it seems like they are focusing on quality over quantity this time around. Which always helps when it comes to the visual arts. And more importantly, they are not trying to do the shows themselves. But paying talent to make them. Either way: their service will not be free as some rumours have suggested. Apple and free are different planets.
 
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The last movie was terrible on fan service, as it did not give long-time fanboys the exact predictable plot lines and outcomes they expected. In other words, it actually was a good movie.
Yeah, showing the Canto Bight stable boy slave at the end looking at his own super duper resistance Jedi decoder ring and then calling via Harry Potter magic (the Force) his Quidditch broomstick over to himself so that he could take a practice flight on it (my embellishment), or sweep the stables first (the film) is REAL O-riginal!! Lol.
 
I still expect each day to read that either Apple or Amazon have bought Netflix.


Apple, Amazon, etc., wouldn't waster their money on Netflix. Netflix is a well run company that is in a precarious position as they are a one trick pony, with a service that is becoming commoditized in the sense that there are multiple good streaming services that consumers like that have to compete on price. Thus, as Netflix faces rapidly increasing costs (they are all bidding against each for the same talent pool of directors, producers, etc.,) Netflix can't raise prices to match their costs, but they also can't leverage/package their streaming business the way Apple, Amazon, and Google can.

Again, Netflix has been well run, and had vision to develop original content of their own to stay alive, but their honeymoon will soon be over as Disney and Apple join the fray with Sony, Hulu, Amazon, Google, and others already in the bidding wars.
 
Again, Netflix has been well run, and had vision to develop original content of their own to stay alive, but their honeymoon will soon be over as Disney and Apple join the fray with Sony, Hulu, Amazon, Google, and others already in the bidding wars.

Don't forget IP/branding as well. Of the ones you listed, only Disney owns major global brands (Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, etc). Hulu is ~60% owned by Disney at the moment. Google Play is still a VOD platform with I think YouTube Red being its original sector. Amazon has sparse originals. Sony Crackle is not that important right now.

Apple has a lot to catch up being a late-comer to this game.
 
Hope Abrams/Bad Robot rather put some heavy focus on Episode IX, the last episode by Johnson was just terrible.
The series died for me at The Force Awakens. I walked out of the theater about 20 minutes in and haven't watched any of the movies since. I've seen reviews and read the story line for the sequels, which reaffirmed my wisdom in skipping Han Solo and The Last Jedi.
 
Apple, Amazon, etc., wouldn't waster their money on Netflix. Netflix is a well run company that is in a precarious position as they are a one trick pony, with a service that is becoming commoditized in the sense that there are multiple good streaming services that consumers like that have to compete on price. Thus, as Netflix faces rapidly increasing costs (they are all bidding against each for the same talent pool of directors, producers, etc.,) Netflix can't raise prices to match their costs, but they also can't leverage/package their streaming business the way Apple, Amazon, and Google can.

Again, Netflix has been well run, and had vision to develop original content of their own to stay alive, but their honeymoon will soon be over as Disney and Apple join the fray with Sony, Hulu, Amazon, Google, and others already in the bidding wars.


Not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion tbh.

I remember posts like this sounding the death knell for Spotify when Apple Music launched..
 
Not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion tbh.

I remember posts like this sounding the death knell for Spotify when Apple Music launched..

Actually, there is a strong similarity to Spotify in terms of both Spotify and Netflix being precariously perched compared to their rivals. Spotify illustrates the problem even more clearly. More so than video to date, music streaming has become a largely commoditized product where the vast majority of popular music is available on all the streaming platforms, so consumers will choose largely on price; thus Spotify has had to match Apple's prices and can't raise them, despite their increasing costs and despite the fact that they have lost massive amounts of money and never made a profit. In contrast, Apple has an entire eco system of products and services to leverage their music streaming business with.Consequently, Spotify's venture capital investors are praying they can get out with an IPO large enough to recoup their losses.

Despite an increasing amount of original content, the majority of Netflix videos are simply those licensed from other owners and that is available anywhere. There is nothing unique that Netflix is doing that each of the major current and emerging streaming services are all able and are doing, i.e., they either buy/license new content that is created independently from them, or they hire producers/directors/studios to produce it exclusively (aka "original content") directly for them BTW,.Apple is already ahead of the pace set by Netflix when they started with their own original content.

There's now more streaming content than anyone can watch and it's only going to get more crowded as Apple and Disney launch in 2019. Both ends of the supply side spell major problems for Netflix. The supply of quality producers/actors/directors is limited so Netflix's costs will keep rising in the bidding wars with those with massive war chests, and, on the other hand, the supply of video streaming choices is growing, constraining Netflix from raising prices to keep up with the rising costs.
 
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