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Technically, by definition, no it will no longer be full screen. The notch on the iPhone was the most ridiculous design decision Apple ever made and brining it to mac is quite frustrating. Full screen = FULL SCREEN. Any circle or rectangle that obstructs the display from showing content takes away from that experience. Instead of working around the problem just don't CAUSE the problem in the first place. We could get a little more height in our content if they did not include the notch, or just make the bezels thicker.

except not really? By eliminating the bezel and adding the notch, you can have the status bar icons on either side of the notch instead of having a useless bezel (making your device unnecessary big) and the status bar eating into your screen.

If I watch a video on YouTube, there are black bars on either side of the screen, the video does not go all the way up to the notch unless I zoom into a video
 
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I’m certain the decision to bring the notch to the MacBook will have the exact same deleterious effect on MacBook sales that it has had on iPhone.
It will become a joke just like on the iPhone. They would really bring a black eye to the Mac name if they did this. I certainly hope its nothing but a false rumor.
 
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The render that shows the notch/circle as part of the “full-screen” is not an Apple image and I think it’s leading to a lot of this frustration. It’s not going to look like that just like we don’t have circle notches in our iPhone screens despite years of renderings incorrectly predicting them. That looks awful.
 
except not really? By eliminating the bezel and adding the notch, you can have the status bar icons on either side of the notch instead of having a useless bezel (making your device unnecessary big) and the status bar eating into your screen.

If I watch a video on YouTube, there are black bars on either side of the screen, the video does not go all the way up to the notch unless I zoom into a video
I use my system for productivity work. I have content going from the top of the screen to the bottom when I work on my projects. YouTube is a different story.
 
So the people is now complaining because there could be an unobtrusive extra row of information that will not affect in anyway the 'normal' screen content? and they prefer a thicker bezel instead of having this extra bit of screen?

I don't know what else to say, read the patent! It seems clear to me that no 'normal' content will be affected in case this rumour becomes true, because so far is just that, a rumour. It's extra space that otherwise cannot be used, unless you remove the camera and other sensors.
 
What's the difference between a physically thicker bezel and a "digital bezel" though? Either way, that space would not have content in it. At least with a "digital bezel", it can have content other times.
Because with the current top menu-bar it is impossible to over-shoot its items. Usability testing has shown that adding an extra layer of vertical precision to the menu-bar slows down your interaction with it.
 
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The render that shows the notch/circle as part of the “full-screen” is not an Apple image and I think it’s leading to a lot of this frustration. It’s not going to look like that just like we don’t have circle notches in our iPhone screens despite years of renderings incorrectly predicting them. That looks awful.
Even if it looks like it does on the iPhone, its still not something we need on our Macs. It will become a joke to yet another Apple product line. Notch jokes and frustrations exist currently. Brining it to the mac would add to these issues. I certainly think its such a ridiculous design decision.
 
It will become a joke just like on the iPhone. They would really bring a black eye to the Mac name if they did this. I certainly hope its nothing but a false rumor.
Yep, it’s a joke and they’re laughing all the way to the bank.

Of course “serious creators” will suffer greatly from this and will certainly move over to other platforms to do their serious work, at least until the other platforms copy/replicate this design.
 
Because with the current top menu-bar it is impossible to over-shoot its items. Usability testing has shown that adding an extra layer of vertical precision to the menu-bar slows down your interaction with it.
That is a very good point. Perhaps the bezel-bar will be non-interactive. If so, There would also need to be some sort of visible barrier.
 
Notch or no notch on Monday, I'm pretty sure this will happen eventually, it just makes too much sense and can be made fairly seamless in terms of the UI and application compatibility. Now that they are using mini-LEDs for the backlight they can control the lighting in the notch area to a really precise level.

And FULL SCREEN will still mean full screen in the 16:9 area that is below the notch. When an app goes to full screen the notch will just be turned off (i.e. black like the wide bezels we have today). As someone above termed it, it's going to act like a digital bezel, there when you want it, not there when you don't. Plus, you won't be able to mouse into that area unless you apply some kind of modifier to the mouse action, the top of the standard menu bar will act as a stop to any mouse move just as it does today, meaning that you won't be able to mouse into the notch area unless you take an explicit action to do so (legacy apps won't even know that it is there).
 
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Notch or no notch on Monday, I'm pretty sure this will happen eventually, it just makes too much sense and can be made fairly seamless in terms of the UI and application compatibility. Now that they are using mini-LEDs for the backlight they can control the lighting in the notch area to a really precise level.

And FULL SCREEN will still mean full screen in the 16:9 area that is below the notch. When an app goes to full screen the notch will just be turned off (i.e. black like the wide bezels we have today). As someone above termed it, it's going to act like a digital bezel, there when you want it, not there when you don't. Plus, you won't be able to mouse into that area unless you apply some find of modifier to the mouse action, the top of the standard menu bar will act as a stop to any mouse move just as it does today, meaning that you won't be able to mouse into the notch area unless you take an explicit action to do so (legacy apps won't even know that it is there).
Until there is a software glitch that does NOT turn it off in some situation. Because lets face it, all OS and software is 100% bug proof right? Its a solution to a problem that does NOT need to exist!

Also, it is a visual distraction. I notice the notch EVERY time I use my iPhone. I don't want to notice it on my Mac as well.
 
All the leaks/info on these new MacBook Pros painted the perfect MBP, which was highly unusual. There is always a big drawback, we now know it’s the notch.

My thoughts when I first read this rumor was “Of course it has a notch”.
 
Yeah, I think those renders are incorrect. This will not be what it looks like in practice.
You also have to remember that in this day and age, there is no context or subtlety in so much reporting. Things are either good or bad. And this is a notch because that's what people are used-to with the iPhone so its the easiest way to convey what it is to the majority.

I have to admit I was wrong - I read "notch", saw some of the pictures and thought it was terrible. I also thought people would be trying their best to justify how it was ok, but that was before I understood how it would work. And tha its not really a notch after all :)
 
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"Icons or other information may be displayed on a black background in the extended regions, giving the display a continuous unbroken appearance.""

If it is a notch then this is the best implementation
That's what the iPhone X rumors said, but it turns out Apple loves to embrace the notch and make it stand out by not making the background black.
 
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Embrace the notch and make sure you’re not “holding it wrong.”

This and other Internet forums are literally the only place I’ve ever seen/heard a complaint about the notch. Hundreds of people I know in the “real world” own iPhones and I can’t recall ever hearing a single peep about the notch.

Sometimes Apple gets it wrong before they get it right, but it’s part of that “Think Different” mentality. That’s why we lost and are getting back that card slot that so many professionals need and the MagSafe that has saved many a MacBook from destruction. If the notch doesn’t work, it will go the way of the touch bar.
 
This and other Internet forums are literally the only place I’ve ever seen/heard a complaint about the notch. Hundreds of people I know in the “real world” own iPhones and I can’t recall ever hearing a single peep about the notch.
I recently asked someone who has had a notch since the X but isn't an Apple forum regular if they care about it. Their response? "What notch?" So I pointed it out and they said "Oh never thought about it, doesn't bother me in the slightest"
 
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So then what is the the benefit of having extra screen space which is rarely utilized?

On the right the clock and other icons that are currently eating into your 16:10 area. On the left you can fill with any misc info. Consider all the stuff that's currently in your Notification Center like weather, stocks, calendar, reminders, email / message notifications, etc. Would be nice to not have these notifications popping up in my work area. Depending on the size it might even be great to have FaceTime / Zoom video feed stuffed in those regions so I can continue work in my full 16:10 area during an online meeting. It would also have the benefit of making better eye contact with the person you are talking to given that their image is next to the camera.
 
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Thats most-of-the-screen, not full-screen. Full-screen means all-of-the-screen.
I think you are just trying to be argumentative. The new notch display will be just as "full screen" as if there wasn't a notch. I mean, by your suggestion the standard black bezel that we have now means that you can't go "full screen" since the active display doesn't extend into the bezel.
 
Yes but imagine editing a photo in a full screen mode (which I do all the time) it will be so annoying to not see the whole photo

There is already an option in macOS Monterey that will keep the Menubar even in fullscreen mode.
Possibly added just for this notch.
 
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