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I hope Chicfile decides to add Apple pay to their app. I sometimes pick up grilled nuggets for my son and they just introduced curbside pickup. It would be oh so convenient to pay with the app and not have to woprry about getting him out of the car t grab it, particulary in winter. The app DOES allow paying, though it essentially requires loading what is the equivalent of a digital gift card with sums of money (I weant to say the minimum is $15, but I may be wrong I do not remember). It's just a minor inconveniece, but I expect it's an easy one to get around.
 
The Chick-Fil-A at UCLA has had ApplePay since sometime in the fall of 2015. I know this article is about it being world wide.

I wish it would get to the CFA locations near me a little faster. They don't take chip cards either, even though they have the terminals to do it.

A Crate & Barrel near me has been taking Apple Pay for about six months.
 
That's utter nonsense. It's accepted anywhere that has an NFC reader. If there is no NFC reader on a unit, it won't magically take Samsung Pay. Same for Apple Pay, it works anywhere with an NFC reader even if the store doesn't "officially" accept it. At my work we have a Square unit that accepts it and a sticker on our door, I highly doubt we're included in that 2 million figure. Same for my barbershop that now accepts Apple Pay. The 2 million figure is only covering Apple's major partners.

If you tried to use Samsung pay at our store before we upgraded to an NFC unit, you would have looked like a moron because it wouldn't have worked. No such thing as magic, and the latest Samsung Pay commercial at Katz's deli is very misleading.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Samsung Pay uses a strong magnetic field to beam your credit card stripe info to a classic reader. It doesn't use NFC.

This technology makes it identical to magnetic card swiping, which is very insecure and no longer fraud protected under current regulations. Chip pay, contactless payment using NFC like Apple Pay and Android Pay with ephemeral keys, and Chip+Pin tech are the wave of the future to combat fraud.
 
I wonder how Chick-fil-A is going to handle Apple Pay at the drive-through. If they actually will. (Last time I was there their drive-through POS station seemed to have the same Verifone MX915 as the POSes inside. Seems like that would be a pain to hand out the window.)
My local Chick-fil-A (Sunnyvale, CA) had Apple Pay for several months now and that's basically how drive through is. I tried it once, felt awkward, never tried again. I usually eat in anyway.
 
Samsung pay is cute now but when the USA requires chip and pin everywhere this summer they are going to be assed out I believe. Another instance of Samsung only thinking for right now and not in the future.
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Actually Apple Pay is cute. Samsung pay is more capable right now out the box. Every time I see a pay terminal I have to second guess if my iPhone 6s is compatible. Just look at this thread. Samsung pay already works at these stores.
 
The Chick-Fil-A at UCLA has had ApplePay since sometime in the fall of 2015. I know this article is about it being world wide.

You beat me to the punch. I remember using Apple Pay at the Chick-Fil-A near UCLA last month (on Westwood and LeConte). I assumed all locations had it.
 
Only in the north are they lagging, completely different experience in the south, where CC use is prolific with the exception of AMEX cards ... European merchants despise that company. And for the most part, if you have an EC Karte, you're in like Flynn.

EC, Maestro, etc. are not credit, but are debit, cards.
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Yes samsung pay is tokenized.
The NFC-side of the SPay is, but is the LoopPay side of SPay as well? I'm not sure that SPay is tokenized across the board.

If anyone can provide a citation regarding tokenization of the LooPay side that would be great.
 
And SamsungPay is accepted everywhere you can swipe a credit card (i.e. EVERYWHERE)

Sorry, but Samsung won this round Apple, next -->

I've heard the MST (magnetic stripe) feature of Samsung Pay doesn't work that well. Something about having to hold the phone in a certain way over the magnetic stripe reader.
 
Actually Apple Pay is cute. Samsung pay is more capable right now out the box. Every time I see a pay terminal I have to second guess if my iPhone 6s is compatible. Just look at this thread. Samsung pay already works at these stores.
What's to second guess? You try it. If it doesn't work you just pay with the card.
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There's this amazing thing called an RFID blocking wallet.

Not to personally attack you, but this kind of thinking is the reason we're so far behind the rest of the world and didn't mature contactless payments back in 2005.
Actually, contactless came first to Europe because fraud was relatively rampant there, the infrastructure was relatively smaller there, thus making a change to chip+pin relatively more beneficial there.
 
Not bank per-say, but maybe their own network where they can make their own contactless credit cards with touch ID pads on them and also available with payments from a cell phone.

Simply put, if Apple only charged the merchants .95% of each transaction, they'd be just as widely accepted as Visa and MasterCard, if not even more at places that don't accept any credit cards at all.

But then again, with only a .95% fee to the merchant, Apple wouldn't exactly be able to provide stellar rewards programs unless they had a card with an annual fee attached to it.
Not sure what you're trying to get at here. The merchant doesn't pay anything to Apple. They are only required to own update card readers with nfc capabilities. Are you suggesting Apple should create its own credit card?

Apple is rumored to only charge the banks .15% for a more secure transaction then their current (swipe) technology offers.
 
Only in the north are they lagging, completely different experience in the south, where CC use is prolific with the exception of AMEX cards ... European merchants despise that company. And for the most part, if you have an EC Karte, you're in like Flynn.
Sorry but no. I work both in Frankfurt and Munich and my wife is from Frankfurt. It is the same everywhere.

Try finding a taxi that voluntaristisch accepts cc either of the major airports. It is embarrassing.
 
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A lot of retailers aren't biting because NFC really screws with their data gathering. Even supporting loyalty cards in Wallet would be a downgrade for some.

This. Get past everything else and IMO, the whole issue boils down to an 'Apple vs. the retailers' confrontation.
 
Not sure what you're trying to get at here. The merchant doesn't pay anything to Apple. They are only required to own update card readers with nfc capabilities. Are you suggesting Apple should create its own credit card?

Apple is rumored to only charge the banks .15% for a more secure transaction then their current (swipe) technology offers.

Perhaps you just didn't understand. I said Apple should have their own CARD NETWORK, you know, like Discover and American Express, but then charge a lower transaction fee than the "big four" does. So instead of having a Visa/MasterCard/Diner's Club/Discover/AMEX logo on the bottom corner, there would be an Apple logo instead.
 
This. Get past everything else and IMO, the whole issue boils down to an 'Apple vs. the retailers' confrontation.

The stupid thing is that if the retailers actually worked with Apple, they'd have their cake and eat it too. Starbucks' app is good enough IMO that I don't feel like they actually need to support NFC--why not adopt similar functionality into their own apps and allow use of Apple Pay from within the app? They'd be able to still collect data and make shopping more convenient for their customers.
 
EC, Maestro, etc. are not credit, but are debit, cards.

I'm aware of that. Just sayin' if you have those cards your life is much easier in Germany.
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Sorry but no. I work both in Frankfurt and Munich and my wife is from Frankfurt. It is the same everywhere.

Try finding a taxi that voluntaristisch accepts cc either of the major airports.

Not my experience in the south, and, well, taxis are a different breed everywhere.
 
SamsungPay is suppose to emit a signal that mimics what a regular swipe machine would interpret as a card being swiped. That is the way it works everywhere.

Yeah, I just learned about that from a T-mo employee back in December (one of the few times that a retail employee knew something about tech that I didn't). Do you know if SamsungPay can also use NFC if available?
 
Another thought I have always had... If Apple would just bite the bullet and keep their hand out of the cookie jar on things like Apple Pay, I feel like they would take off much more quickly and be more widespread. I think a lot of retailers chose not to go with Apple Pay because of Apple's cut of every transaction scared them off. I understand why they do it from a business perspective, but I feel like it could've been a bigger, more revolutionary thing.
stores don't have to partner with Apple to take payment. So youR entire idea falls apart.
it's more a marketing deal than anything. "We're hip and modern, shop here!"

The first barrier is on the bank uptake, and they have well over 95% coverage in the US. Sure, they only have 10% of banks supporting it, but those are the ones most people use.

The second barrier is consumer uptake. That's the real sticking point right now.

The third barrier is retail uptake. That's coming along. The switch to NFC is speeding along some stores. Chick-fil-a, for example, didn't take chip cards last week. So they probably bundled the two technologies into one rollout

CVS is turning NFC back on slowly but without official support. They're a good example of not needing the official blessing for it to be on,
 
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Despite the upbeat announcement, Apple still has work to convince U.S. customers to use Apple Pay at retail stores.

No, I don't need to be convinced to use it; I'm already convinced. What I need is to be able to use it at the retailers I visit. There are only two places I routinely go that accept ApplePay. Two. I don't eat fast food so adding more fast food places doesn't help me use ApplePay more.

In addition to accepting Apple Pay, Chick-Fil-A has announced that they will soon start accepting gay people.

Ha! :D They'll accept gay money, but only with a sneer.
 
Apple Pay, Android Pay (and perhaps Samsung Pay if tokenization is really being used)... all great advances in security and convenience for all parties involved. As with any new payment technology, there are some stumbling blocks for rollout. For me, as an early-adopter consumer, the frustrations have been with both inconsistent acceptance coupled with poorly trained cashiers. If I see the terminal facing the customer, I'll try Apple Pay, and it will often work. It's great on my Watch, as I don't even need to authenticate with a fingerprint, although the iPhone has an advantage of telling you just by holding it over the terminal (even without waking it up) if Apple Pay will be possible. The other clue I now look for is if the first LED is lit, or first circle on the LCD is filled in. That means the terminal has NFC turned on and is actively scanning.

While Discover Card was running their Apple Pay promo, which for new accounts amounted to a 22% cash back reward, I was pushing to use Apple Pay whenever and wherever I could, even if the cashier didn't know if or claimed it wouldn't work. It was surprising the places it worked including at smaller merchants. That Discover did the promo is indicative that the banks are interested in Apple Pay. It likely benefits their bottom line: improve customer convenience and reduce fraud.

For non-early-adopter users, digital wallets are either not on the radar ("Is that some new Facebook thing?") or held with suspicion along the lines of, "No way am I trusting Google/Apple/Samsung with my credit card!! That's just an invitation to getting hacked, man!" ... and think nothing of swiping their credit card at the gas pump... let alone entering their life story into the likes of Facebook for nearly anyone to harvest personal facts from, such as mother's maiden name or model of first car.

I wish Apple and Google well with ramping up use of digital wallets. They both use the same NFC standard, so success for one is success for both. The challenge I see will be consumer adoption... right now, swiping a mag-stripe credit card just works at most places. However, a crack in the user experience is Chip & Signature. The chip card readers are most merchants in the US are horribly slow, and if you pull your card out too prematurely, you're in for more delay to restart the payment transaction. Stores adopting chip readers are often now collecting more validation data from mag-stripe cards, such as CVV or last-four digits, due to the liability shift. One cashier told me the whole chip rollout has caused significant delays for both chip and mag-stripe users. She wished they hadn't turned off Apple Pay, as that was really quick and seamless (my local Home Depot).
 
That's utter nonsense. It's accepted anywhere that has an NFC reader. If there is no NFC reader on a unit, it won't magically take Samsung Pay. Same for Apple Pay, it works anywhere with an NFC reader even if the store doesn't "officially" accept it. At my work we have a Square unit that accepts it and a sticker on our door, I highly doubt we're included in that 2 million figure. Same for my barbershop that now accepts Apple Pay. The 2 million figure is only covering Apple's major partners.

If you tried to use Samsung pay at our store before we upgraded to an NFC unit, you would have looked like a moron because it wouldn't have worked. No such thing as magic, and the latest Samsung Pay commercial at Katz's deli is very misleading.


That's actually not true. Samsung Pay works everywhere there's a credit card reader. It's sending magnet signals or something to foil the credit card reader into thinking you swiped. It's by no means any more secure than actually swiping, and nothing is encrypted.
 
That Samsung Pay "magnetic swipe" feature is 100% useless in Canada.

Virtually all cards here are Chip + PIN (and NFC), and so are the terminals, so it would be declined every time, asking you to insert the chip instead.
 
Not my experience in the south, and, well, taxis are a different breed everywhere.

I hate it and it of course all leads back to Germany's history of spying on their own citizens. People are paranoid as hell. I have friends that are in their thirties afraid of using online banking because they fear their data and money are being stolen. They still go to the bank office to hand in written money transfer notes. My mother in law has a 16 character alpha numeric password on her router and still asks me every time we visit her to change it. And these are well educated people too.
 
This is hilarious. I still use cash and love it. Easy, fast, simple, no way to get hacked. If my wallet were lost or stolen I lose a little green but not my identity/credit limit/bank account. People commute an hour to go to a mall, spend 3 hours trying on clothes, spend another hour texting/calling about their clothes and gushing about their shopping on social media, but can't spend 20 seconds longer to pay with cash? Hilarious indeed.
 
That's utter nonsense. It's accepted anywhere that has an NFC reader. If there is no NFC reader on a unit, it won't magically take Samsung Pay.

Actually, yes it likely would. Samsung Pay can use either magnetic or NFC methods.

It's why Samsung bought Loop Pay, who patented their so-called Magnetic Secure Transmission (MST) technology, which allows remote emulation of a card swipe. No terminal changes necessary.

If Samsung Pay detects an NFC signal, it will use NFC. If not, it uses MST.

If you tried to use Samsung pay at our store before we upgraded to an NFC unit, you would have looked like a moron because it wouldn't have worked. No such thing as magic, and the latest Samsung Pay commercial at Katz's deli is very misleading.

Now you know otherwise.

Samsung was smart, because their phones are used all over the world, and last I checked, the majority of the world's purchases are still done via magnetic swipes. The NFC side also works where possible. There are still some limits, like it doesn't work with swipe insertion slots, but overall it's a much more widespread contactless solution at this point in time.

It can also emulate gift cards from over 50 major stores, like Banana Republic and The Gap.
 
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This is hilarious. I still use cash and love it. Easy, fast, simple, no way to get hacked. If my wallet were lost or stolen I lose a little green but not my identity/credit limit/bank account. People commute an hour to go to a mall, spend 3 hours trying on clothes, spend another hour texting/calling about their clothes and gushing about their shopping on social media, but can't spend 20 seconds longer to pay with cash? Hilarious indeed.

I love getting my double cash back on my DiscoverIt card and my 5%-15% extra cash back at certain merchants with it.

If I lose my card, I can freeze my account instantly and another card is over-nighted to me. It's not my money on the line, it's Discover's.

I also like my price protection, extended warranties, travel insurance, rental car insurance, etc.

Hilarious that you still use cash despite all the advantages of a credit card. You just made yourself look like a fool. What is the advantage of cash, oh right, nothing! :)
 
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