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However, a crack in the user experience is Chip & Signature. The chip card readers are most merchants in the US are horribly slow, and if you pull your card out too prematurely, you're in for more delay to restart the payment transaction.

I attribute this to learning curve and unoptimized software. Eventually the vast majority will be about as fast as Walgreens' terminals (2-3 seconds or so), and to be honest I'm not sure that's enough of a delay for people to bother with Apple Pay. The decision not to go with PIN is also allowing smaller merchants to continue their old/bad habits, meaning you might not be allowed to use Apple Pay at a lot of places even if they "in theory" support it.

That plus the extreme reluctance of most larger retailers to give up their data collection gravy train means that NFC will probably only be usable at 50% of stores at most. That's a prediction of mine that I hope doesn't pan out, but we'll see.
 
I've noticed for some time that Chick-Fil-A's terminals seem to be the type that should support ApplePay. Each time I go there I casually bump my phone against the terminal to see if by chance it works. Glad to see some confirmation that it will soon!
 
And SamsungPay is accepted everywhere you can swipe a credit card (i.e. EVERYWHERE)

Sorry, but Samsung won this round Apple, next -->

Because they bought out LoopPay. But what they failed to take into consideration is chip cards - this method does not work with cards that have chips. All of my credit cards have been upgraded to chip cards and more and more retailers are updating the POS systems to refuse a swipe from a chip card in favor of inserting the card instead. ApplePay still works.

LoopPay was great when it started, but chip and pin is going to be its demise. Samsung was a day late and a dollar short.
 
Because they bought out LoopPay. But what they failed to take into consideration is chip cards - this method does not work with cards that have chips. All of my credit cards have been upgraded to chip cards and more and more retailers are updating the POS systems to refuse a swipe from a chip card in favor of inserting the card instead. ApplePay still works.

LoopPay was great when it started, but chip and pin is going to be its demise. Samsung was a day late and a dollar short.
False. The MST function of Samsung Pay emits track data to the card reader to allow it accept your EMV-enabled card. I've used Samsung Pay at a Target with EMV enabled (forces me to insert my card if I accidentally swipe), and Samsung Pay worked flawlessly.
My success rate with Samsung Pay and any swipe-terminal is nearly 100%. I'm not doing anything fancy other than holding the phone near the reader.
Reading through this thread, there's so much misinformation about Samsung Pay, which is reflective of the real world. I used Samsung Pay at Chick-fil-A last week, and the cashier gave me an exasperated "this idiot customer" look before being surprised that the transaction went through.
Costco employees seem the most enthusiastic when I use Samsung Pay. They're always shocked and fairly interested on how the tech works.

Should anyone have any questions about Samsung Pay, I'm willing to answer as I use it on a daily basis. Cheers.
 
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Apple Pay is still a fail for me. I've had 3 separate McDonalds say they don't accept it at their location. 2 different Subway locations tell me "it doesn't work". No Target, no major Grocery chains in S.Cal, etc etc...
 
Apple Pay is still a fail for me. I've had 3 separate McDonalds say they don't accept it at their location. 2 different Subway locations tell me "it doesn't work". No Target, no major Grocery chains in S.Cal, etc etc...

Trader Joe's isn't major? Interesting.

Subway and McDonald's works for me, for what it's worth. And I'm in Southern California too.
 
Apple Pay is still a fail for me. I've had 3 separate McDonalds say they don't accept it at their location. 2 different Subway locations tell me "it doesn't work". No Target, no major Grocery chains in S.Cal, etc etc...

Perhaps you should use your brain for not only:

1) It works at every McDonalds... There's an NFC pad on all of their terminals.
2) Do you expect the idiots behind the counter at Mickey D's to know what Apple Pay is?
3) Do you expect the morons at Subway to know what Apple Pay is?

Major grocery chains? Wegmans is a major grocery chain.

Figure it out yourself rather than relying on some careless cashier that makes minimum wage.
 
I have the original LoopPay FOB and it works most places, including, as mentioned, my Target with their EMV.

It hasn't worked to date at Lowe's or Home Depot. Although, I haven't made a HD purchase lately.

I will keep the LP till AP is accepted most places I shop. The FOB is not small. But, not too bad.
 
That's utter nonsense. It's accepted anywhere that has an NFC reader. If there is no NFC reader on a unit, it won't magically take Samsung Pay. Same for Apple Pay, it works anywhere with an NFC reader even if the store doesn't "officially" accept it. At my work we have a Square unit that accepts it and a sticker on our door, I highly doubt we're included in that 2 million figure. Same for my barbershop that now accepts Apple Pay. The 2 million figure is only covering Apple's major partners.

If you tried to use Samsung pay at our store before we upgraded to an NFC unit, you would have looked like a moron because it wouldn't have worked. No such thing as magic, and the latest Samsung Pay commercial at Katz's deli is very misleading.

SOURCE:

http://money.cnn.com/infographic/technology/mobile-payment-comparison/

Read what it says about Samsung pay and OLD terminals. Next -->
 
Because they bought out LoopPay. But what they failed to take into consideration is chip cards - this method does not work with cards that have chips. All of my credit cards have been upgraded to chip cards and more and more retailers are updating the POS systems to refuse a swipe from a chip card in favor of inserting the card instead. ApplePay still works.

LoopPay was great when it started, but chip and pin is going to be its demise. Samsung was a day late and a dollar short.

Actually it does not matter if you're using a chip card or not. I have Samsung Pay with 2 chip cards and I've paid with Samsung Pay flawlessly with both of them at multiple retailers that require chip cards currently.

The secret is that Samsung Pay does not actually transmit your credit card number, and the banks allow Samsung Pay transactions to happen with magnetic readers. The transaction is tokenized, so even if someone perfectly captures the card number with a skimmer, they can't get anything useful out of it because the card number transmitted will be rejected after it's used once (the only hole there is someone could send the transaction before the merchant does, but that would be pretty obvious as Samsung Pay gets a push notification about what store charged you and for how much).

And also, I am not aware of many card readers out there that don't have magnetic swipes at all, so Samsung Pay is still going to be useful well into the EMV age. In addition, Samsung Pay does indeed work with NFC, the same technology as Apple Pay and Android Pay. So as far as I can tell, Samsung Pay will indeed work with NFC, same as Apple Pay, and indeed work with more card readers (most card readers, even) than Apple Pay can (and Android Pay for that matter).

But in complete fairness, there are some downsides. You cannot use it with gas station pumps or ATMs. And there are indeed fewer cards working with Samsung Pay than Android Pay. I have 2 cards on Samsung Pay, and 7 cards on Android Pay (yep, I use both of them, concurrently). At restaurants or small businesses, if they take your card and swipe it, you should just give them a card, you don't want to tie other people up because they won't know how to take your phone and put it on the reader and get it to work, and Samsung Pay only allows about 10 seconds to get a transaction running, which means you would have to reauthenticate if it didn't work the first time, and just generally don't be a dick and make an associate have to do stuff they don't know anything about, and tie up the line behind you, things like that.

Ultimately though, i think it's not a terribly big deal, I still need to buy gas, or even get cash at the ATM, and I need my cards (and my license for that matter), so carrying around my credit cards is just necessary still. Fortunately for Samsung, MST is good technology that will work in places where NFC will not, bad for Samsung is that when NFC is at 100% penetration then people won't need Samsung Pay and they could buy any other phone and get the same functionality. Oh well, it's just kind of how things are.
 
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