Roll on the day that I can put my Oyster Annual Season Ticket in the Wallet app and not have to carry that around with me...
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Apple Pay Express Transit Coming to London 'in the Coming Months'
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In my city we have nfc and qr-code readers on the bus and people randomly checking with handhelds on the subway. The bus drivers usually don’t care tho. People usually don’t bother with the actual reader and just show them a picture of the QR Code to get on. I am sure you could hold up your Starbucks point card and they would let you in lol
We don’t have those gates at our subway stations
We don’t have those gates at our subway stations
Based on multiple experiences related to me by people I know, as well as some research, I know it is common for dips to work in teams of three or more. The first person distracts the mark, perhaps by banging into them in passing on the side opposite the mark's wallet; simultaneously, the dip reaches into the pocket and pulls out the wallet; and finally, the wallet gets handed off to a third team member to carry it away, which can be done slowly as to avoid attention. No member of the team has to run or move in a way that would seem suspicious to anyone but the mark. Working in teams like this seems like the best approach in a constrained, monitored area such as the Underground, as runners can be picked up easily on monitors and stopped by any police in the station. Purse-snatching is more snatch and grab; it's almost impossible to do this without drawing a lot of attention, which is risky in a constrained Underground situation. I've heard of backpacks getting cut open; but this seems like a bad idea on the London Underground as well, as so many things could cause it to escalate, turning petty larceny into assault with a deadly weapon.
Pickpocketing is a low-risk, low-return crime; the idea is to do it in ways that minimize police apprehension each time, and make it up in volume.
No, which is why I said "Lines of people all taking out and re-pocketing their iPhones", but it also applies to people who keep their phone in a handbag / other bag. Pick pockets watch to see easy targets who they can bump into or otherwise distract whilst they go for the location they just saw you put your valuables. Not so hard to understand really, but it's good we all know that you'd just punch your way out of being pick pocketed
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As a visitor to London a few weeks ago I just used my Apple Pay linked watch to use the Underground. Two clicks on the watch, hold up to the reader, and I was in. Plus there was a daily cap on fares.
Are there advantages of Express Transit for the visitor above the current system?
Are there advantages of Express Transit for the visitor above the current system?
Really bummed we haven't gotten this for MUNI/BART in the Bay Area yet. You'd think they'd be amongst the earliest adoption group since they embraced the PayByPhone app for parking… sigh.
Only if:
1. You've enabled Express Transit in your Apple Pay settings.
and 2. You're worried about Apple's approved transit agencies "hijacking your info".
Well, yeah. This sort of thing does happen in London. I doubt it happens much on the Tube, however, which is heavily monitored by CCTV and where people are usually pretty alert and there'd be dozens of witnesses if anyone ever tried anything.
Pubs, however, especially ones frequented by tourists, are a prime target as people are usually going to be relaxed and not always watching their bags and wallets etc as closely as they should. My ex once got her wallet stolen from her handbag at a London pub, and her debit card drawn down to the maximum daily limit from a nearby ATM before she even knew it was missing. Presumably someone had "shoulder surfed" for her PIN at the bar (this being in the days before contactless was everywhere).
Thankfully, her bank were good about it and refunded the money within days after filing a Police report.
There’s a bit of a technique to it. You have to place your wrist at a certain angle and hold it there for a split second. After trial and era and some embarrassing queue hold ups it now works every time.
I tried it this evening... didn't work. Allowed me to add my card to Express Transit, the DLR Oyster Reader 'woke' my phone from a blank screen and required me to double click. I thought that might have been the system but because I looked at my phone to read the double click message I must have unlocked/Face authenticated at the same time. Leaving the station I tried again and while the reader woke the phone, it definitely required the face ID before charging.
I started leaving my wallet at home when I got my XS. I keep a note in my jeans change pocket for emergencies. It’s great.
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Lots of people use their phones now, robbery is not a problem now it won’t be afterwards. It will just help when people fumble with their TouchID at the barrier.
Impossible to do that in the UK as theirs a limit if £30 when using contactless or phones to pay
they keep talking about increasing it but still waiting, I can’t even fill my car petrol tank up with that limit!
I’m sure I read somewhere recently this is being looked into.
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Wow. They didn’t plan that system very well.
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Weird. My Barclays credit card is available as an option, but my Barclays debit is not. My debit is set as the default Apple Pay card.
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Impossible to do that in the UK as theirs a limit if £30 when using contactless or phones to pay
The limit is decided by the retailer. We accept Apple Pay to the value of hundreds of pounds. I’m actually not sure of the upper limit that we have, I just know I have rung through transactions for over £200 on multiple occasions.
https://9to5mac.com/2016/06/03/apple-pay-uk-unlimited-value-purchases/
And that’s from 2016, so petition your petrol station to sort their act out.
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You can spend more than £30 in Sainsbury’s and Aldi.Impossible to do that in the UK as theirs a limit if £30 when using contactless or phones to pay
I’ll try again but it shouldn’t need me to contort myself when it works fine elsewhere.
Great moment at Clapham Common tube station when it failed again and I realised the oyster pad was hanging to the barrier by a piece of glue!
Impossible to do that in the UK as theirs a limit if £30 when using contactless or phones to pay
Not generally correct these days. UK retailers who have modern, properly configured payment terminals now allow any transaction value when using Apple Pay / Google Pay.
Eg: Waitrose, Sainsbury’s, IKEA, Boots, co-op, and in fact most supermarkets and chain restaurants all support > £30 Apple Pay transactions.
The laggards who don’t, in my experience, include Tesco, TK Maxx, and Argos. As well as lots of small independent shops with older payment terminals.
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Yes. The advantage of Express Transit is that you no longer need to bother with the two clicks. It simply works from the sleep/suspended state.
Two things this doesn't solve. The first previously mentioned by several others, the second not.
1) Oyster season tickets.
These are widespread for a reason, and people also add top-up funds to them to cover journeys outside of what their season ticket covers.
2) Freedom Pass.
Millions of retired Londoners have to use these to get free travel across London.
(my mother hates having to use it instead of her phone, like everyone else can! It's effectively a form of age discrimination.)
Until both are added, this extra facility is somewhat meh for several million bus/tube users. Nice for those that can actually use it, but offers nothing to fix the underlying issues a large percentage of (often poor, disabled, or aged) regular daily users face: Oyster & Freedom Pass travel cards inside Wallet.
1) Oyster season tickets.
These are widespread for a reason, and people also add top-up funds to them to cover journeys outside of what their season ticket covers.
2) Freedom Pass.
Millions of retired Londoners have to use these to get free travel across London.
(my mother hates having to use it instead of her phone, like everyone else can! It's effectively a form of age discrimination.)
Until both are added, this extra facility is somewhat meh for several million bus/tube users. Nice for those that can actually use it, but offers nothing to fix the underlying issues a large percentage of (often poor, disabled, or aged) regular daily users face: Oyster & Freedom Pass travel cards inside Wallet.
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Impossible to do that in the UK as theirs a limit if £30 when using contactless or phones to pay
thats utter non-sense - there is no limit in UK when using Apple Pay. Some merchants may have not upgraded their terminals but in London at least that's no an issue at all.
Some stores which accept Apple Pay above £30. Some of them I didn’t know about!
Yes, known issue I think. Hopefully this will be solved with the release version.
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It is not implemented yet in the Oyster readers.
I am a +1 to the issue of the readers being unreliable compared to shops etc, in my case with my watch rather than my phone. I've given up trying to use my watch for this, not least because I am traditional and wear my watch on my left wrist but mostly it was just unreliable. Even when it worked, I found it slower than using my credit card.
I know it works for many and observably so, just not for me! I am curious as to whether it is specific to Amex (people I know that successfully use Apple pay on tfl are not Amex users). Do others who find that it is unreliable connect Apple Pay to Amex?