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[germanbeer007]

Even the crappiest transit rail systems in America like the VTA Light Rail in San Jose, CA; can move way more people than any Waymo can.

completely missing the boring company tunnels in the equation.

 

[dontwalkhand]

That's not how it works. Inference is done locally.

Which is how a Waymo ended up trying to drive on light rail tracks in Phoenix? Sounds like locally just doesn’t have enough processing power..

 

[germanbeer007]

Speed.

Autonomous vehicles travel less distance per hour than rail.

average subway speed is 18mph in usa.

 

[germanbeer007]

Which is how a Waymo ended up trying to drive on light rail tracks in Phoenix? Sounds like locally just doesn’t have enough processing power..

SF muni driver falls asleep behind controls:

your point? glad we moved away from the water usage for inference argument though.

 

[dontwalkhand]

average subway speed is 18mph in usa.

And the average speed of a Waymo is literally 2-10 mph, because it’s the same roads as a regular car, in regular traffic. A subway has its own tracks.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

average subway speed is 18mph in usa.

Average speed in the city I work, for a car in the evening, is 12mph.

 

[dontwalkhand]

SF muni driver falls asleep behind controls:

your point?

Ones a human, and the other is a clanker.

 

[germanbeer007]

And the average speed of a Waymo is literally 2-10 mph

Waymo never released stats so no.

, because it’s the same roads as a regular car, in regular traffic. A subway has its own tracks.

subway stops at every station along your journey.
even express subways stop at several stations, effectively behaving like car stop lights.

 

[germanbeer007]

Average speed in the city I work, for a car in the evening, is 12mph.

average speed in the city I work, 50mph.

 

[sw1tcher]

"has the capability" key phrase you completely missed.

So you're tell me that in the almost 10 years since Boring Co. was founded, they've only drilled 2.4 miles.

How long is it going to take them to drill those thousands of miles? We'll all be dead if it ever happens.

 

[germanbeer007]

Ones a human, and the other is a clanker.

clanker's data already proved to be safer than human
hard data: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

 

[dontwalkhand]

clanker's data already proved to be safer than human
hard data: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

My regular human Uber driver did not try to drop me off in train tracks…. My regular human Uber driver did not cut across 3 lanes of traffic. My regular human Uber driver also takes a straight route, not make 3 right turns to make a left.

 

[germanbeer007]

So you're tell me that in the almost 10 years since Boring Co. was founded, they've only drilled 2.4 miles.

that's not what they're capable of.

How long is it going to take them to drill those thousands of miles? We'll all be dead if it ever happens.

their previous versions of TBM could have manufactured 1 new machine per month to introduce 600 miles/year. since they made that claim, they've made 2 generational improvements, so less than a year for thousands of miles.

 

[dontwalkhand]

average speed in the city I work, 50mph.

Do you live in middle of nowhere Iowa?

 

[germanbeer007]

Do you live in middle of nowhere Iowa?

currently a digital nomad in California.

 

[sw1tcher]

average subway speed is 18mph in usa.

Rail in my city has a top speed of 79 MPH, with an average between 34 and 38 MPH. .

Morning and evening rush hour traffic is much slower than that.

 

[dontwalkhand]

that's not what they're capable of.

their previous versions of TBM could have manufactured 1 new machine per month to introduce 600 miles/year. since they made that claim, they've made 2 generational improvements, so less than a year for thousands of miles.

They still have to build the stations, which from what it looks like, is literally just an underground transit center, with very very very inefficient versions of buses. The underground transit center in Boise, ID, is more of an achievement than the clanker transit.

 

[germanbeer007]

My regular human Uber driver did not try to drop me off in train tracks….

if you like, I can cherry pick an example of an unsafe uber driver.

 

[germanbeer007]

Rail in my city has a top speed of 79 MPH, with an average between 34 and 38 MPH. .

Morning and evening rush hour traffic is much slower than that.

I go against morning rush hour so I average 80mph on highways and takes 2 minutes from entrance/exit of highways to get to home/work.

 

[germanbeer007]

They still have to build the stations, which from what it looks like, is literally just an underground transit center, with very very very inefficient versions of buses. The underground transit center in Boise, ID, is more of an achievement than the clanker transit.

stations can be above ground that simply replaces parking spaces in parking lots. painting loading bay lines takes a day.
subway stations take months to build.
they're literally more energy efficient than trains/buses.

 

[dontwalkhand]

I go against morning rush hour so I average 80mph on highways and takes 2 minutes from entrance/exit of highways to get to home/work.

Going against the rush hour traffic is obviously not the norm….since the rush hour traffic is where most people are heading…

 

[dontwalkhand]

stations can be above ground that simply replaces parking spaces in parking lots. painting loading bay lines takes a day.
subway stations take months to build.
they're literally more energy efficient than trains/buses.

So a bus stop?

 

[dontwalkhand]

if you like, I can cherry pick an example of an unsafe uber driver.

You can report an unsafe Uber easily, and you will never get paired with that driver again. You can report an unsafe Waymo, and you will get a $4 ride credit.

 

[germanbeer007]

Going against the rush hour traffic is obviously not the norm….since the rush hour traffic is where most people are heading…

glad you pointed this out

in tokyo, rush hour means you'll be going during crush hour where a literal subway attendant will push you in (still happens to this day). That's if you can squeeze in. there's often a line to get ONTO the subway car, making you wait 10-20 minutes just to get on the subway. and good luck transferring to the next train line. and there's also the factor of spending 5-10 minutes to walk to the station and 5-10 minutes from the station. adding a station onto a line slows down the entire trip time for everyone so they minimize that.

and because subways cost tens to hundreds of billions of dollars and many decades to build, Tokyo has no solution to this crush hour problem.

 

[germanbeer007]

You can report an unsafe Uber easily, and you will never get paired with that driver again. You can report an unsafe Waymo, and you will get a $4 ride credit.

Waymo self reports errors and fixes it for the fleet on next software update. you get consistent performance regardless of which Waymo you get into.