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You've clearly no idea what you are talking about. A pincode adds extra security in case your card is stolen.

Magnetic strip.. I guess you've never heard of "skimming" where people clone the contents of the magnetic strip
and get hold of your pin code via tiny cameras or modified keyboards in ATMs ? Is/was a big problem here in Europe. EMV practically solved that.

I'm glad the use of the magnetic strip in terminals and ATMs has been banned here in Europe (and most of Asia). Totally unsafe.

About Apple Pay. You can pay contactless with your ATM card here (via NFC embedded into the card), but thank goodness it's for small payments (max. 25 euros). It's not that dificult to think of man-in-the-middle attacks.
I wish the Dutch banks would stop inventing their own payment schemes with cellphones. All of them have their own app-based scheme and just Android, because Apple doesn't allow access to the secure element.

So how exactly does the chip make internet transactions more secure? Please enlighten all of us oh knowledgeable one.
 
Why all of you think that I'm a moron from a desert?
Chip and pin contactless card is a physical object that can be lost and abused by others. Banks track you purchases and sell that info to others then you find your PO box full of crap. It's very noticeable in Denmark.
Apple Pay is more secure in that respect and untraceable. No one will be able to use your phone to buy stuff even if you lose it.


Bold: Oh common, you really believe that.
 
There’s something suspicious about Apple Pay's claimed prevalence. The link lists an unimpressive 88 businesses. It’s conceivable that they collectively have a million locations. But the link’s headline implies that over a million businesses—not locations—accept Apple Pay. Real world experience doesn’t support that claim.

88 major retailers. There are a whole lot of smaller ones that just use whatever their merchant processor gives them that won't ever go onto Apple's website (but do show up in e.g. Maps).
 
What about Germany? Come on Apple, really? Years have passed and we are still waiting for Apple Pay.

As long as Bank-Cards (former EC-Card/Maestro/V-Pay) charge less fees than VISA, Master and Amex credit cards and are safer with the current chip and pin system Apple will have a tough standing point negotiating. What benefit could Apple offer a german bank in Apple Pay? What financial benefit will the merchants have? The merchants already pay close to nothing in fees with the Bank-Cards compared to the 2 to 3 % credit cards charge them.

Only convenience for the customer will be better with Apple Pay, so go ask your bank. If your bank sees that people want Apple Pay then they will give in eventually.
 
As long as Bank-Cards (former EC-Card/Maestro/V-Pay) charge less fees than VISA, Master and Amex credit cards and are safer with the current chip and pin system Apple will have a tough standing point negotiating. What benefit could Apple offer a german bank in Apple Pay? What financial benefit will the merchants have? The merchants already pay close to nothing in fees with the Bank-Cards compared to the 2 to 3 % credit cards charge them.

Only convenience for the customer will be better with Apple Pay, so go ask your bank. If your bank sees that people want Apple Pay then they will give in eventually.

Credit card fees are capped at 0.3% in the EU, not 2-3%.
 
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Apple Pay is still struggling in the US, mainly because of retailers. More and more banks are offering it, but I can't find many stores in my area that accept it. I've been patronizing those that do, but I'm not sure if that will have an impact on those that don't.
I would love to see an app or something that can be placed on the phone to let you know when you are near apple pay supporting vendors. I think that would be incredibly useful. Attach to the notification screen and trigger when within 500 ft or something.
 
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There’s something suspicious about Apple Pay's claimed prevalence. The link lists an unimpressive 88 businesses. It’s conceivable that they collectively have a million locations. But the link’s headline implies that over a million businesses—not locations—accept Apple Pay. Real world experience doesn’t support that claim.
- So that website probably only pertains to the US. But I'm quite sure there are more than a million different businesses in Europe that accept Apple Pay. Don't know about the US, but I agree with you that the text implies a million businesses, not a million individual locations of some other number of businesses.
 
Really, the only merchants I’ve encountered Apple Pay at were both high-priced grocery stores. Where the heck are all the retailers that Apple bragged would be adopting the service?

You can use Apple Pay anywhere you see an NFC symbol, even if the retailer doesn't know it. Only large corporate retailers have the means to go out of their way to block Apple Pay. Nobody knows what Apple Pay is in Poland, but you can use it absolutely everywhere because they pretty much have universal NFC terminals.

If Apple Pay is limited in most of the US economy, it's because NFC is still rolling out.

The only true boo-boo is sit down restaurants. No terminals at the table, or portable terminals for waiters, so...kind of not going to happen until that changes.
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I would love to see an app or something that can be placed on the phone to let you know when you are near apple pay supporting vendors. I think that would be incredibly useful. Attach to the notification screen and trigger when within 500 ft or something.

Apple Maps will display that info in the retailer detail view. It's not needed though. Any place that has NFC will take Apple Pay even if they don't know it.
 
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Still not available here in Ireland :(

Contactless debit and credit cards have been around quite awhile so there's plenty of retailers able to accept NFC payments so I dunno what's holding it up here.

RBS/Ulster Bank was a launch partner in the U.K. and Ulster Bank would be one of the big 4 in Ireland but still no word on when it will be available here.
 
One of the most homophobic societies, and yet Tim Cook will do anything for a buck, I mean Ruble....
 
What about Germany? Come on Apple, really? Years have passed and we are still waiting for Apple Pay.

I think you'll find it isn't Apple but the banks in those countries who resist letting another company make money from a secure payments system. Most banks make huge profits from these transactions and are too greedy to share them when a better more secure system exists.
 

I am at the business side of retail. The fees are not capped. At least not what the merchants pay. Of course the terminal provider, the bank and the CC company split the 2-3 % between themselves. But the fees exist.

Believe me, the cheapest form for a merchant to accept payments in Germany is to use a chip and pin terminal provided by the bank and they will charge the merchant 0,3% for German Girocard and 0,95% for international Maestro cards. Visa, Master and Diners will cost him 2% and Amex 3%. Handling cash (cost for ordering, delivering and handling change and small notes and cost for pick up and processing of big notes as well as the occasional counterfeits) will cost around 1% to 1,5% (depending on the size of the business) so all of our retailers prefer the Girocard.

There is absolutely no room for Apple to get a cut out of the already thin 0,3%. So my guess is that Apple will had a hard time to get a good deal and get the banks on board in Germany since I don't see what they can offer. Its up to the customers to demand Apple Pay from their banks.
 
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I have Apple Pay in my area and I can't say I'm unhappy with it. But I can't say I'm thrilled with it either. My biggest complaint is the lack of places to use it, locally. None of the bigger box stores (Target, Wal-Mart, etc) accept it---side note: Target is why I was interested in the first place. Their data hacks made me have to replace my credit card 3 times--and most significant online stores have no plans to start using it even though Apple Pay is now supposed to support web payments.
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So how exactly does the chip make internet transactions more secure? Please enlighten all of us oh knowledgeable one.

You're kidding right?

Well if not here's a short primer that also highlights the American shortfall with how chip cards are being implemented:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/creditcardscom/the-dirty-little-secret-y_b_5572081.html

Edit. Ok, I'm an idiot. You said internet transactions. No chip advantage there at all.
 
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You can use Apple Pay anywhere you see an NFC symbol, even if the retailer doesn't know it. Only large corporate retailers have the means to go out of their way to block Apple Pay.

Ditto with Android Pay, which I have also been using. The only shop that made a point of refusing Android Pay (but not Apple Pay) was a branch of a large sports clothing and equipment retailer (Decathlon). So, of course, I had to try it at the self-service till. Caused the whole thing to crash and reboot. Seemed like an attention seeking overreaction to me. An error message would have sufficed.

One of the most homophobic societies, and yet Tim Cook will do anything for a buck, I mean Ruble....

It is his job. Cook is a professional CEO, not a professional gay. To put it bluntly, his job is to increase the value of the shareholders holdings and not bring happiness and light to the LGBTQXYZetc community. If he can combine the two, all well and good but his priorities are decided for him by his position and if he is going to have to favour one side at the expense of the other, there is only going to be one winner.

Pecunia non olet.
 
If your bank doesn't offer it, then you should place that relationship under review; they may be short changing you and taking you for granted in other areas as well.
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Except for hauling a shim of plastic out from a stack of plastic and then putting back again. Get an Apple Watch w/ AP and bask in the glow of modernity, convenience and security.
Im with HSBC, who have rolled out Apple Pay in Hong Kong, but not in Australia :(
 
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