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Personally I've never opted for contactless cards, which can be scanned while still in your pocket !! Surely Apple Pay is more secure in that you need a fingerprint - at least at the moment. Hopefully they will lift the £20/£30 limit soon to.
 
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Honestly it's ridiculous Apple are rolling out Apple Pay to one country nearly every year. Australia has a much denser ratio of NFC enabled card readers than both the UK and USA, yet Apple haven't mentioned anything yet. Tired of waiting.

Here in Denmark we have basically just this everywhere.

http://ingenico.us/terminals/ipp350/

Which supports NFC, yet not even mention of Denmark. And Banks are douchebags they rather push this CurrentC type ******** than adopt the proper way.
 
It's not very clever, by the time I find my phone, press my finger on the phone and get it to read correctly I would have been out of the shop if I just used my contactless card. No point!

Try using it with an Apple Watch and the point will become very clear! 2-3 seconds max. :D

Even with a phone, I can get my phone out of my pocket faster than getting my wallet out of my pocket and then getting my card out of my wallet. And the bonus is - I no longer need to carry a wallet!
 
I just don't understand all this, "now accepted at..." rollout.

I have to upgrade my capture device by October 1 2015 (or something like that). I'm a small Texas dental office. I had a new merchant service court me, promise me lower percentage cost and provide me with the new compliant state of the art machines.

All was installed two weeks ago. I now accept apple pay and Google Wallet. No one asked me.

So what's the big deal?


Just multiply your degree of hassle by 10,000, and you'll get a rough idea of the complexity for a large-scale retail chain.
 
For those wondering - I have a non-contactless HSBC Advance Debit card (the red one) and could add it to Apple Pay without a hitch. So your card does NOT have to be contactless :)
 
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For those wondering - I have a non-contactless HSBC Advance Debit card (the red one) and could add it to Apple Pay without a hitch. So your card does NOT have to be contactless :)

I was just going to confirm this myself. My Nationwide debit card is not contactless. They added contactless after I received my card. I can request a new contactless one at any point, but not bothered to do this yet as I mainly use Barclaycard credit card for shopping (which is contactless).

I managed to add the non-contactless Nationwide debit card to Passbook no problem, though not had a chance to try out Apple Pay yet.

Now Barclays need to stop dragging their feet or I might change my credit card to Nationwide too.
 
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Been using Apple Pay today with my first direct card and its been working great!

Paying with the iPhone works pretty well but the experience with the Apple Watch is far superior. I love not having to pull my wallet or phone out of my pocket. It just made the watch a whole lot more useful!
 
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Tried to top up my starbucks card as a test run...no dice. Probably a good thing since Starbucks coffee is awful.
 
And the bonus is - I no longer need to carry a wallet!

How do you get on when you have to spend more than £20 or the retailer doesn't have a contactless terminal?

I can't see myself leaving the wallet at home any time soon, I still use cash in a lot of places and often spend over £20 while out shopping.
 
I think a lot of Morrisons do don't they? I know crappy Sainsbury's certainly don't though!

Not the Morrisons I work in, wish they had it at least on the self serve checkouts. As for HSBC, same problem with Credit card just sitting there Activating while the Debit card went through straight away.
 
Not the Morrisons I work in, wish they had it at least on the self serve checkouts. As for HSBC, same problem with Credit card just sitting there Activating while the Debit card went through straight away.

I had to phone First Direct to get my card activated.

The nice helpful man said people had been phoning them all day making similar requests. :D
 
Honestly it's ridiculous Apple are rolling out Apple Pay to one country nearly every year. Australia has a much denser ratio of NFC enabled card readers than both the UK and USA, yet Apple haven't mentioned anything yet. Tired of waiting.

If you look at the history of Apple version 1.0 product launches, they always start this way. It's always an exponential roll out, with the number of countries doubling roughly twice a year. (Source: http://www.macstories.net/stories/mapping-apples-international-iphone-ipad-rollouts/)

So they started in October of last year with 1 country. Then they added the UK in July. Sometime later this year they'll probably add two new countries (my bet would be Canada and Australia). Next year they'll add another 12 countries (4 + 8). In 2017 they'll add another 48 (16 + 32). By the end of 2018 it'll be more or less available worldwide.
 
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How do you get on when you have to spend more than £20 or the retailer doesn't have a contactless terminal?

I can't see myself leaving the wallet at home any time soon, I still use cash in a lot of places and often spend over £20 while out shopping.

Frankly, where for instance do you use cash? I barely ever do.
 
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I wonder if Apple pay ever will be a big thing in Europe. Here in Sweden we have had chip-based cards for years and nowadays a very good working system for payments between mobile phones of every kind (iOS, android and windows phone).
There are almost no nfc-enabled terminals and since terminals are operated by a few companies and not the banks or retailers themselves I see no reason for these card-terminal-companies to reduce their profit and offer Apple pay. At the same time, the cost for banks and retailers is low enough that They should have no interest in pursuing a course where they'll start using their own terminals and apple pay with them.

Card terminal companies? What are those? Verifone and others have nothing to do with Apple Pay other than implementing NFC technology into their terminal.

Visa & MasterCard are responsible for paying a portion of their fees collected from merchants towards the use of Apple Pay. The investment into Apple Pay will be worth it when it becomes more widely used throughout the world. Spending .015 per transaction is much more cost-effective than paying out millions in a lawsuit from fraudulent charges.
 
How do you get on when you have to spend more than £20 or the retailer doesn't have a contactless terminal?

I can't see myself leaving the wallet at home any time soon, I still use cash in a lot of places and often spend over £20 while out shopping.

Well, the £20 limit is short term only, rising to £30 very soon (covers a lot of my ad-hoc purchases) and retailers will get updates later this year to allow higher/unlimited purchases. I hardly ever have as much as £30 of cash in my wallet these days because I use cards for everything. Even now I can leave my wallet at home and just carry my debit card in my phone case as a backup but use my Watch where possible. If I need cash I can get it via my debit card almost anywhere.

It's still early days obviously but I am using Apple Pay where I can to encourage uptake. Tesco are losing a lot of my small purchases to Morrison's because they don't support any contactless technology at all in any of my local shops, big or small. The food is better too as a bonus... :)
 
Now it's here, I can tell those missing out it's not that exciting. And getting your phone out, double clicking home button, picking the right card, waiting for the print reader -- it's not much quicker than getting your wallet out and holding up the right card.
Well I really LOVE it!
Especially since I don't have to touch a filthy germ infested pen!
 
Honestly it's ridiculous Apple are rolling out Apple Pay to one country nearly every year. Australia has a much denser ratio of NFC enabled card readers than both the UK and USA, yet Apple haven't mentioned anything yet. Tired of waiting.
Japan has an even higher NFC penetration and it's also the country with the highest market share for iOS.
 
I just don't understand all this, "now accepted at..." rollout.

I have to upgrade my capture device by October 1 2015 (or something like that). I'm a small Texas dental office. I had a new merchant service court me, promise me lower percentage cost and provide me with the new compliant state of the art machines.

All was installed two weeks ago. I now accept apple pay and Google Wallet. No one asked me.

So what's the big deal?

Exactly. Not sure what the big deal is to have new microchip & NFC readers installed. These business act like they can't write it off on their taxes as a business expense. Mom and pop stores are still using dial up readers for God's sake.

If I were a business owner, my first priority would be my customers who give me their money. In return, I would market a safer, more private way to pay, by the means of Apple Pay.
 
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Australia has more NFC terminals per capita than the UK, but the UK has more than twice as many of them (something over 100,000 in Aus versus something over 200,000 in UK - 2014 stats, the only ones I found).

The raw numbers are what matter.

But it'll get down there soon - I'm sure Australia is pretty high on Apple's priority list. When it does, you can be as largely underwhelmed as I am by the whole thing.

What do these numbers mean, apart from Australia has a low population? Surely it's the per retailer that matters? If a country has only one shop, and every single customer goes there, and it has an NFC terminal, then it may have a very low per capita figure, but everybody can use it.
 
Well I really LOVE it!
Especially since I don't have to touch a filthy germ infested pen!
erm not used a pen for card payments in about 10 years lol. contactless cards and before that chip and pin.
 
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What do these numbers mean, apart from Australia has a low population? Surely it's the per retailer that matters? If a country has only one shop, and every single customer goes there, and it has an NFC terminal, then it may have a very low per capita figure, but everybody can use it.
say a country has 1 person, 1 shop with 1 terminal and that 1 terminal is contactless. 100% contactless country. everybody there uses contactless. but do you think the country is a priority for apple? that's what he means about the raw numbers being a priority, not the percentages. of course, australia is nothing like this fictional country and i'm sure it IS a priority for apple, but not as much as the percentage/density figures may suggest.
 
Frankly, where for instance do you use cash? I barely ever do.

Places where you can buy things. :D

If you want a few examples, last night I rehearsed with my band and the studio we rent is cash only. I also bought a bag of sweets from the corner shop yesterday and I'm going to a football match tonight and will be paying for my chicken tikka wrap with cash from the van parked outside the ground which doesn't take cards.

I did use my debit card to book the tickets for the match and fill the car up with diesel but both of those transactions were over £20 so wouldn't have been possible with Apple Pay.
 
say a country has 1 person, 1 shop with 1 terminal and that 1 terminal is contactless. 100% contactless country. everybody there uses contactless. but do you think the country is a priority for apple? that's what he means about the raw numbers being a priority, not the percentages. of course, australia is nothing like this fictional country and i'm sure it IS a priority for apple, but not as much as the percentage/density figures may suggest.
The raw numbers may be a priority, but he mis-applied them. With a population of 3 x Austraia, a NFC number of 2 x Australia, the raw numbers as stated can only favour the UK. The per capita density is irrelevant, it could just mean we have a lower number of shops per capita. Possibly all of them with NFC.
 
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