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Again there's no wifi at work for me to use. I wouldn't watch netflix at work but I would listen to music at work.

Are you having a hard time understanding the difference? I don't have a choice in data caps that's what the carrier provides. There is no unlimited with my carrier.

Nevermind...
 
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How many people really do have 2GB data caps? Maybe it's a US only thing?
In Japan, my carrier's basic plan is "capped" at 8GB/month and throttled beyond that. I would need to stream music for about 5 hours a day everyday exclusively over the 4G network (without using Wi-Fi hotspots) to hit that cap.

In Germany, 2GB (with a good provider) already is a "luxury plan" you pay a lot for ... Much more common is 500MB or 1GB. :(
 
How much less is it?

0.002 dollars per song * 20 songs an hour * 8 hours a day *30 days a month is $9.60
71.5% of 9.99 is $7.14

It's comparing apples and oranges (well magnitudes and percentages), but it doesn't look like they're that far apart.
If you listen to fewer than 20 songs an hour and less than 8 hours a day, the numbers begin to look very different. If the average subscriber listened to the service for 4 hours a day, then the per-play revenues would be $4.80 while subscription revenues would still be $7.14.

A lot of this hinges on the behavior of subscribers, behavior that seems to hold true whether we're talking about health club memberships, the old Book of the Month Club, the premium channels bundled into a cable TV subscription, "unlimited calling and texts" on a cellular service plan, magazines and newspapers... While there will be those who make maximum use of those subscriptions, there's generally a much larger population that, after an initial honeymoon period, substantially under-utilizes their subscriptions yet lets them continue, month after month, year after year.
 
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Does Apple understand yet that we have data caps of 2GB for most people and that streaming isn't really an option?

Spotify allows me to save my playlists/albums to my phone so if I am in an area that has no network connectivity I can carry on playing my music, or if I am travelling abroad I can keep all my music on my phone without the fear of running up extortionate roaming charges. It also comes in so handy when I am in my car travelling.

If Apple Music doesn't allow you to have this basic functionality then I'm not going to even bother trialling the service.
 
Again there's no wifi at work for me to use. I wouldn't watch netflix at work but I would listen to music at work.

Are you having a hard time understanding the difference? I don't have a choice in data caps that's what the carrier provides. There is no unlimited with my carrier.

You have been given many choices. You have to make it.
  1. Your choice is whether or not to use the service.
  2. If you choose to use it, you can choose among various ways to use it that will keep you under your data cap.
  3. Some of the ways are not available to you.
  4. Some of the ways are more trouble for you than what you would get out of it.
  5. If you can't see a way to use it that works for you, then go back to step 1 and choose not to use it.
There is always the radio, or a competing streaming service, or your own music collection. Each of those has its pros and cons. More choices for you!

From the other comments, it seems many potential Apple Music customers don't have your particular set of limitations.
 
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Generous in relation to what? In the worst case, people will put their subscriptions with other providers on hold to listen to Apple Music during the trial and people who currently don't stream may not continue doing it afterwards. The onus is still with Apple to demonstrate that this temporary loss of revenue will actually lead to net profit increase after the first trial period ends. Spotify and others still have the advantage of network effects.
I agree the onus is on Apple. In six months or so they will have the beginnings of an answer. In a few years, they will have a better picture. Apple has inked the deals, and the service is coming on schedule. Apple will prove, one way or the other, by doing.

It will never be a complete picture. Some artists are never going to find their music profitable. Others are going to become big stars. Without access to a parallel universe where the only difference is how much Apple paid during its free trial period, it will be be impossible to say for sure how much of an effect Apple Music's free trial policies had on their success or failure.
 
How generous...
1 $ per 404 streams.

What would the going rate be to listen to one song once be though?

Even going by your figures, call it 400 streams = $1.

If that was an album of 10 tracks, it is $1 for 40 listens.

How does $1 to listen to an album 40 times compare to $10 to own a physical CD that you own and can listen to as much as you like?

I don't know how the numbers need to stack up with cost per stream, number of subscribers and monthly subscription cost for it to be good for everyone, but I think there is a flip side to the low cost of payments per stream, which is how much consumers should expect to pay to listen to a song once.
 
So how much per month will this cost after the free trial? $10? If so I'd have to listen to 500 songs for Apple to pay out $10. Seems like an awful lot. Assuming an average 4 minute song that's 33 hours and 15 minutes worth of streaming. Most people won't listen to anywhere near that much and then Apple will be banking the change.

Even going by Apple's current 70/30 split for hosting rights you'd have to listen to an awful lot of music before Apple loses money and they know this. It seems like a profitable business model first and foremost and not that generous to artists. They could double that 4c and still make heaps of money.

How much will the post-trial rate be?
 
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How many people really do have 2GB data caps? Maybe it's a US only thing?
In Japan, my carrier's basic plan is "capped" at 8GB/month and throttled beyond that. I would need to stream music for about 5 hours a day everyday exclusively over the 4G network (without using Wi-Fi hotspots) to hit that cap.

5 hrs streaming at 256 kbps (assuming it's the same quality as currently used in iTunes) works out at 0.55GB per day, so you would hit your cap after only 2 weeks.
 
Spotify allows me to save my playlists/albums to my phone so if I am in an area that has no network connectivity I can carry on playing my music, or if I am travelling abroad I can keep all my music on my phone without the fear of running up extortionate roaming charges. It also comes in so handy when I am in my car travelling.

If Apple Music doesn't allow you to have this basic functionality then I'm not going to even bother trialling the service.
It does allow this basic functionality, which is why I don't even get what 90% of the discussions in this thread are about.
 
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Does Apple understand yet that we have data caps of 2GB for most people and that streaming isn't really an option?
And do you understand that you can save your favourite songs offline while on wifi to listen to it later without any internet connection?
 
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