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I've got my own office so I can listen to anything I want. I haven't got wi-fi for streaming though but my 160GB iPod gives me a good choice of music. :)


It's east to set up wifi for employees, at the company I work at I configured the Qos on the router to give the lowest bandwidth priority to Netflix and music streaming. Employees are happy and the network doesn't get bogged down by Orange is the New Black.
 
Has there been any information released on the technical side of Apple Music - in terms of codecs used, steaming quality, will they offer Apple Lossless for 'offline' etc?
 
Your whole argument is based on the assumption that if someone listens to a piece of music, they will want to listen to it again. And again. And again. That is an absolutely incorrect assumption. I do have a music library of songs that I listen to every now and then and which I want to "own" until the day I die. But there's a lot of music which I would like to listen to, but that I will not buy, because I know that I will not listen more than once or twice.

Example: Yesterday, I checked out the "Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 1986". I would really like to listen to these songs over the course of two or three evenings. I own four of the songs on this list. So to listen to the whole list, I'd have to spend over a hundred Euros (I think most of these songs are €1.29). I don't know when I will feel the urge to listen to Regina's "Baby Love" or Baltimora's "Tarzan Boy" again. Chances are: Never. Or perhaps one more time in another 30 years from now. If I wanted to own any of the songs on that list, I'd own them already. So please explain to me how a €9.99 streaming service is a bad value compared to spending >$100 on owning the music. And we're talking just about three evenings. If I listen to five or six similar playlists a month, then it's still a cost of €9.99 for streaming vs. >$500 for owning the music.

Other example: After I watched the "Green Lantern" movie, I thought that James Newton Howard's soundtrack is quite nice. Cost on iTunes: €10.99. Cost as CD on Amazon: €14. Cost with Apple Music: Included in the €9.99 monthly fee. How often would I listen to it? Well... perhaps five times, max. In fact, I'd listen to most cues just once and then the two or three best ones up to five times. So why would I want to buy it? I own a lot of soundtrack albums that I listened to those five times. What an effing waste of money.

Next example: I want to play Prokofiev's "Peter and the Wolf" to my daughter. I loved it as a child, so I want to see what she thinks. I can buy it for €9.99 on iTunes and if my daughter doesn't like it, it will be listened to exactly once. Or I can play it through Apple Music for €9.99.

Streaming is a bad value only for music that you love and that you want to have for the rest of your life. If you don't listen to any other music beyond that, then streaming is not for you. But if you also like to listen to "incidental" pieces of music, if there is stuff that you like but that you don't love, then streaming is perfect. And most people are like that: They have a core library of the stuff they really enjoy and on top of that a wide variety of "ok" songs, and it would cost huge amounts of money to buy them all. In fact, I am quite attached to my core library. I don't listen to radio. Ever. And still streaming is a good value to me. And most people have a far more varied and less "concentrated" taste for music than me.

Hey, I want to listen to K-Pop this evening. I'm in the mood for it. I don't own any K-Pop. So now I can buy a bunch of songs from iTunes that I will most likely never listen to again. Or I can stream the current Korean top 20.

There is this strange paranoia about the music being "lost" if the service over closes. "Oh no, Apple Music is gone, so all my music is gone as well!" It never was my music. I never wanted it to be. And it's not lost. If I really wanted to, I could still buy it. If a radio channel gets closed down, I also don't cry about "my" music that I lost, and Apple Music is nothing else than a radio channel with the added benefit that I can put together my own playlist as opposed to some DJ doing it for me.


Agree with all of that.

I think currently streaming's main flaw is the low number of paying subscribers.

But for most consumers I think its a steal for all the reasons you give.

I don't buy as many CDs as I used to, but still listen to a lot of music form my existing library, the radio and increasingly on Spotify.

Even if I bought 12 CDs in a year, at say $10, its an absolute no brainer to subscribe to a streaming service, and be able to check out loads of stuff I would be interested in having a listen to, but almost certainly wouldn't buy.

When I was younger I bought far too many CDs on a whim and hardly listened to them - a streaming subscription is a fantastic option now.

I just hope that the numbers stack up in time so that its as much of a win for the artists as it is for consumers.

I don't get the criticism of Apple that people don't want to pay for music. I suppose that's natural, but its probably one of the worst aspects of the internet, i.e. that people expect to get everything for free, even things that really should have some value.
 
Does Apple understand yet that we have data caps of 2GB for most people and that streaming isn't really an option?

Apple Music will be a worldwide service therefore US-centric market considerations are pretty pointless.
I have unlimited data on my carrier, and have been streaming radio and music for years.
 
It's east to set up wifi for employees, at the company I work at I configured the Qos on the router to give the lowest bandwidth priority to Netflix and music streaming. Employees are happy and the network doesn't get bogged down by Orange is the New Black.

My office is at the far end of the factory and a fair distance from the main office and servers. I doubt I could talk them in to upgrading me to wi-fi as I'm still connecting to the network through an ancient old 10BASE-T 3Com switch. :D
 
I've got my own office so I can listen to anything I want. I haven't got wi-fi for streaming though but my 160GB iPod gives me a good choice of music. :)
Have my own also but since I spend most of my time interacting with others - wouldn't be practical to be listening. I guess it depends upon a job - if you were a heads down programmer or analyst probably would be OK but it you have to interact with customers or other workers - wouldn't work.
I hope, from a security standpoint, those people whose companies allow company wifi access - that it is really a separate wifi from the real business data one. I can imagine people accessing business with personal equipment that could be hacked or ???
 
Does Apple understand yet that we have data caps of 2GB for most people and that streaming isn't really an option?

Not Apple's problem. Here's a solution. Sign up for the free trial, which has an offline listening mode. Make a playlist or two or three of music you want and find somewhere that offers free WiFi (if you don't have it at home) - a library, a business, a hospital, a government building - and sit there and download the songs. Now you can use Apple Music and not go over your cap.

Data caps really aren't an issue for many people because there are a lot of places that have WiFi. I only have 1 GB of data for my phone so I have to be careful with my use but I'm around WiFi almost all day every day of the week.
 
Nothing yet, I'm sure it will hit the MR front page as soon as the information is released.
I thought Apple had confirmed that they will use 256kbps AAC.

At least there have been the usual discussions already on whether or not 256kbs AAC is on par with the 320kbps OGG offered by Spotify. :cool:
 
I thought Apple had confirmed that they will use 256kbps AAC.

At least there have been the usual discussions already on whether or not 256kbs AAC is on par with the 320kbps OGG offered by Spotify. :cool:

I haven't seen any confirmation and I think it's just been assumed they will be using 256kbs AAC though you are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. :)
 
I haven't seen any confirmation and I think it's just been assumed they will be using 256kbs AAC though you are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. :)
I can only find a lot of articles that say "Apple has confirmed", but no real source. Somewhat bizarre actually.
 
As usual, Apple have been quite sketchy with the details, we still don't officially know how much it will cost or if it will be launching on 30/6 here in the UK.
Well, for Germany it was "confirmed" for 30/6 by "sources". ;) I think if Germany is included, then the UK definitely will be as well, because the music rights situation in Germany is somewhat difficult. And it would be somewhat surprising if the UK wouldn't be one of the 100 countries where Apple Music will go online on 30/6. There are fewer than 200 countries in the world, and I doubt that Ecuador will get Apple Music while the UK won't.
 
Is there a night mode or ability to change the theme of the new music app for those who have it? Love the look of Spotify over Apple's music player.
 
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