The pressure sensitivity alone needs electricity.
Wacom and others use inductive pens and they have very good pressure sensitivity without the need for a battery.
The pressure sensitivity alone needs electricity.
to me Apple Pen it too generic. Isn't there an S Pen that Samsung uses.
Pencil feels more like its for artistic purposes to me. Slightly different feel I would guess.
That's because the pressure sensitivity exists in the pad/screen. ThePencil is a different animal, and it showed in the film that was in the presentation. Wacom and Microsoft, I'm sure, will have something similar soon.
People comparing this to Steve Jobs and his dislike of a stylus are looking at it completely wrong. Steve was against a stylus for use with every simple task on a phone...
Yup you're right, sorry I done goofed up.Wacom and others use inductive pens and they have very good pressure sensitivity without the need for a battery.
And yet, the Note tablets and phones from Samsung - or Microsoft's surface - were ridiculed beyond belief when they launched because they included a stylus as an optional input mechanism. The mantra (even on this forum) was more often than not 'Because Steve said so', of course omitting the now popular claim that the was talking about tiny phone screens.
Now when Apple launches their own stylus, that (just like in the case of Note tablets/phones and Surface) is not needed for the everyday use of the device but an added feature that some will like it is suddenly important and useful.
It is the hypocrisy of it all that makes people have a lot of fun with this now, because it fits like a glove into the traditional reaction pattern: Features and functions that competing manufacturers have are always looked down upon and called useless. As soon as Apple adopts those same - or quite similar - features it is incredibly important and praised like the second coming.
This happens time and time and time again and proves that the reality distortion field works and that the cult of Apple has no problem with changing their minds radically over night solely based on if an Apple device has a feature or not:
- Screen resolution on a phone? Not important as long as Apple have one of the lowest on the market like they did the first years of the iPhone. Suddenly very important and a key feature as soon as retina is introduced and they for a short while surpassed other phones.
- Larger screens on cell phones? Not important and very stupid since Steve has decided the optimal phone size. Then Apple introduces larger screens and to everyone's surprise it is actually nice to have a screen you can do more with.
- Smart watches? Stupid toys, and laughable battery capacity - most only last 2 days before the need to be charged. Apple Watch is introduced with even worse battery capacity - and even that is not even considered a problem anymore.
NFC and the possibility to pay/unlock your door/use phone as a travelcard on the subway/bus/train and so on? Incredibly stupid stuff - you always have your wallet with you anyways. Who would pay with their phone? ApplePay arrives and guess what - this was quite useful and even a bit cool after all.
Well, you see where I am going with this - the constant quoting of Steve's comments about the stylus is largely a reaction to the way both Apple and the community treats features based solely on if they are available on the iPad/iPhone or not.
In addition to just the pressure on the screen, the Pencil communicates with the iPad via bluetooth, which requires power.I don't understand why this stylus needs a battery at all. Plus, you are sacrificing the iPad Pro's battery in order to charge it
The pencil should be included with the iPad pro. 100 bucks for a stylus is outrages. The replacement pen for the surface isn't even that much.
Jobs quote about tablets and stylus: "If you need a stylus, you already failed".
A Wacom replacement is $100
The surface pen is nowhere near as advanced as this.
Well of course the apple pencil isn't as advanced as the surface 3 pen as the surface 3 is about 2 years old.
i still like the idea of a Apple pencil sharpener![]()
Why they call it a pencil, was in case u don't mistake it for a dildo. Jokes aside, they may introduce Apple Pen next with more functions.
Fortunately, you don't actually need the Pencil to use an iPad Pro. It's only for those applications that require high-precision input.Aham...... From Steve Jobs himself, no mistake quoting, he states for tablets if you need a stylus you've already failed.
But that's not what he said. Maybe you should look at the video "apolloa" posted.That doesn't change the fact that Jobs made the generic statement "If you see a stylus, they blew it"
Yes. And he was talking about it in the context of trying to run a full desktop operating system with a desktop UI, on a tablet. A mouse-based UI requires far more precision than fingers can provide, hence the need (not just occasional desire) for a stylus. And that's where the failure comes from.No he wasn't, he was specifically talking about tablets. Watch his video online and you will see clearly that tablet input was being discussed.
Absolutely true. And I'm sure Apple R&D experimented with such a device. They probably found a reason why it was inappropriate for an iPad. Off the top of my head, I'd guess that the need to maintain the field that powers the pen significantly reduced battery life.Wacom and others use inductive pens and they have very good pressure sensitivity without the need for a battery.
Fortunately, you don't actually need the Pencil to use an iPad Pro. It's only for those applications that require high-precision input.
If you listen to the line just before that quote, Jobs was going off on Windows-based tablets which, for the prior 10 years, required you to use a stylus as an input device, because it was emulating a mouse. I tried to use some of these tablets with my fingers and most apps couldn't be used because the UI was an unmodified Windows desktop UI.
That's what Jobs was complaining about. Big difference from an iPad and a pencil for those apps that require precision input.
And you have repeatedly proven that you are only willing to listen to half a sentence and are ignoring the context of the rest of the interview.He quit clearly stated a stylus on a tablet is a failure. You can spin it anyway you want, at the end of the day, the iPad Pro is a giant tablet with a optional stylus. Steve Jobs ergo Apple stated you have failed if you have a stylus on a tablet.