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That is an often misrepresented Steve Jobs quote. He was larger than life, after all.

Now Apple did not reverse course here. The issue is that back then you required the stylus for many devices.

With the Pencil, Apple is introducing an additional form of input primarily suited for specific tasks, like drawing.

But the stylus is NOT required for the operation of the device.

Finally, a lot of folks here are getting what they asked for.

I know my daughter will want the (iPad Pro + Pencil) set, for sure.

Is there anything equivalent in the market for other platforms,like the Surface?
I don't know whether I should be amused or disgusted at the contradicting crap the apply fans put it out here. They love to have it both ways.
 
Dear Apple:

PLEASE make the Apple Pencil work with the ENTIRE line of iPads and iPhones starting next year !!!!

Drawing with my finger has been like being forced to repeat kindergarten finger painting class year after year.
 
I'd like to see how many levels of pressure this will register. I have a Wacom Intuos and have been tempted to buy a Cintiq for quite awhile. If Apple can deliver on a product that's better than what Wacom has I'll gladly pay the premium for an iPad Pro.

I recently saw a Tech Crunch video about the Pencil. They said it blew everything else out of the water. Basically it's a must have for anyone that designs or does digital artwork. I would try one out before you buy, but it does look the business.
 
I agree that the "no stylus" quote has been used in the wrong context. He was talking about phones that need a stylus as an input device to navigate around. Making one as an option to write/draw/paint on an iPad makes perfect sense and was long over due.

I'm hoping that in the future we'll be able to tether it to the Mac like a Cintiq
 
Not necessarily true. All my Wacom tablets pens and my Surface 2 pen don't need power to have pressure sensitivity.

They operate in a different way entirely, so it's not a valid comparison.

You need power to both sense the pressure and angle, and then to transmit that information back to the iPad.
 
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So a $100 pen and all you can really do with it is draw? How many people draw on their ipad on a regular basis?

It does more, however if you were to take a look at the app store, search for draw, you will find hundreds of apps. There are also many 3rd party stylus options on the market, as well as printing agreements with many of the drawing app developers, and print shops for people to publish their work.

Clearly there is a market out there that Apple felt it could tap into / enhance.
 
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I agree that the "no stylus" quote has been used in the wrong context. He was talking about phones that need a stylus as an input device to navigate around. Making one as an option to write/draw/paint on an iPad makes perfect sense and was long over due.

Jobs quote about tablets and stylus: "If you need a stylus, you already failed".


It's not that I don't like a stylus. I'm a Wacom user and will use this Apple Pencil for sure.
 
It's extremely unlikely this will work with the Air 2. Older iPads had a screen refresh rate of 30 Hz. The iPad Pro has a variable refresh rate and Apple made mention in the keynote that it continues to use the 30 Hz for your finger, but uses a higher refresh rate for the stylus. I don't see Apple allowing the Pencil to be used at a lower refresh rate than the best because it could affect performance and it could lead to bad reviews.

I do see, the iPad Air 3 or 4 gaining the better screen and then gaining the ability to use the Apple Pencil in the future though.
 
Apple co-founder Steve Jobs famously dismissed the need for a stylus when introducing Multi-Touch on the original iPhone over eight years ago, touting the finger as the best pointing device in the world.Macworld 2007 was quite awhile ago, however, and Apple on Wednesday ultimately reversed course and introduced the Apple Pencil for iPad Pro, which it refers to as a creative tool for scribbling, sketching, annotating and editing.

Glad to see MacRumors joining the "quoting things out of context" camp. This is getting ridiculous.
 
I don't know whether I should be amused or disgusted at the contradicting crap the apply fans put it out here. They love to have it both ways.

What is it with the "gotcha"stuff? Steve Jobs said something years ago in one context. Now it is years later, and this is a different context. Yet you are "amused" and/or "disgusted" at this "crap". I suggest, respectfully, the problem is really in your own mind, and your own personal obsessions.
 
Jobs quote about tablets and stylus: "If you need a stylus, you already failed".


It's not that I don't like a stylus. I'm a Wacom user and will use this Apple Pencil for sure.

He was not talking about art programs. He was talking about a cell phone.

No one in their right mind would suggest that finger painting is better for professional work than using a stylus.
 
The pencil should be included with the iPad pro. 100 bucks for a stylus is outrages. The replacement pen for the surface isn't even that much.

The rumors were that the pencil would be bundled... I think everyone was surprised that it wasn't. I don't think any price is an "outrage", unless someone is forcing you to pay it. But in response to your last point, unless you can say this isn't a much better device, the Surface pen is not a fair comparison.
 
He was not talking about art programs. He was talking about a cell phone.

No one in their right mind would suggest that finger painting is better for professional work than using a stylus.

Did you watch the video? It's about tablets.

Right context here is that Jobs is talking about UI based on stylus. And he's right about that. I also agree that drawing with your fingers is nothing compared to drawing with a stylus. So now we have the best of both.
 
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