Apple Permanently Bans 'Infowars' App From the App Store

[thadoggfather]

It’s a good thing macrumors isn’t a puppet arm / extension of Apple
Corporation or else we might not even be able to debate/discuss this one about Alex jones, at all

I commend MR for standing up for
Free speech in their forums
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In the case of Sarah Jeong there was mention about how her tweets were satire. Those on the right like yourself often choose to post specific singular quotes out of context of the entire conversation. If Twitter saw those tweets as satire, she isn't much to your selectively outrage, breaking their rules. Once again bear in mind. Jones broke those rules over and over and over and over, was warned, and he didn't care. Now he's paying the price. It isn't political speech. It's a business sticking to their established rules. Something many actually criticized Twitter for because it gave Jones so many chances.

To paraphrase the saying, just because you have the right of free speech, it doesn't mean it frees you from consequences of said speech. Jones finally had to learn that lesson.

Saying Jeong’s tweets are satire is like saying Alex jones is a performance artist to defend the whole thing when it comes under scrutiny.

Satirist / performance artist. What’s the difference at that point if you’re gonna masquerade it and draw the line arbitrarily on one and not the other

How is racist satire OK but “hysterical performance art” isn’t?

 

[futbalguy]

Such a brouhaha. AJ is an entertainer. Anyone with half a mind can figure out after listening to him rant for a few minutes that he's a crank out to stir up the pot. Really, it's doubtful anyone takes him seriously. His "show" is just that. A show. He's kinda amusing some times... and not -everything- he talks about is wrong. Just most of it. There's definitely nuggets of truth in his rantings some times. I personally don't have the patience to listen to him rant, but he never swayed my thinking one way or the other. The OFF button is easy to push.

But AJ broadcasts on shortwave radio too and nobody can turn that off. He doesn't need any apps or podcasts. He'll still be broadcasting to the world until he throws in the towel. Liberal media shutting him down only strengthens and furthers his cause.

A lot of people take Alex Jones seriously. My brother does. My brother has some mental issues and he can’t understand that someone would be misleading him for profit. There are a lot of people like this in the country. I don’t care if Alex Jones says controversial things except when they are outright lies that he then convinces other people to believe.

 

[JayMysterio]

It’s a good thing macrumors isn’t a puppet arm / extension of Apple
Corporation or else we might not even be able to debate/discuss this one about Alex jones, at all

I commend MR for standing up for
Free speech in their forums
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Saying Jeong’s tweets are satire is like saying Alex jones is a performance artist

Satirist / performance artist. What’s the difference if you’re gonna masquerade it and put it on those terms?

I believe that's actually what Jones claimed himself in his divorce proceedings.

Unlike Jones though, it doesn't seem like Jeong ran afoul of Twitters rules or if she did, she did abide by them.

Feel free to take this up with Twitter, if you feel frustrated by the response, then you will understand how many felt with Twitter enabling Jones for so long. Until then, they are still a private business able to do as they wish with their platform.

 

[LeahJoFoxtrot]

Unheard of?

You mean how there have been active calls to harass people in the administration? Not spoken by a reporter, but by an actual Representative: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html

Or, let's just skip the general harassment. How about how they're literally being shot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

How about the fact trans women are shot at an alarming rate and so called "Pastors" publicly suggest it is a fine idea? https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/6/01/james-dobson-be-man-shoot-transgender-woman-bathroom

 

[futbalguy]

A lot of people take Alex Jones seriously. My brother does. My brother has some mental issues and he can’t understand that someone would be misleading him for profit. There are a lot of people like this in the country. I don’t care if Alex Jones says controversial things except when they are outright lies that he then convinces other people to believe.

As a follow up, we don’t allow ponzi schemes to profit by lieing to people, perhaps we should not allow conmen to lie to people to profit.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Where did jones threaten someone?

Or is this just fake news

Some of these are just him rambling and using indirect threats or wishing ill on people he doesn't like, others are direct threats made by him.

 

[canadianreader]

We'd be shutting down a lot of mosques, for example, if this is the way of it. But I'll wait while you explain how 'different' that would be.

Anything that votes for the left is allowed to speak no matter how hateful

 

[Jsameds]

In the case of Sarah Jeong there was mention about how her tweets were satire. Those on the right like yourself often choose to post specific singular quotes out of context of the entire conversation. If Twitter saw those tweets as satire, she isn't much to your selectively outrage, breaking their rules. Once again bear in mind. Jones broke those rules over and over and over and over, was warned, and he didn't care. Now he's paying the price. It isn't political speech. It's a business sticking to their established rules. Something many actually criticized Twitter for because it gave Jones so many chances.

To paraphrase the saying, just because you have the right of free speech, it doesn't mean it frees you from consequences of said speech. Jones finally had to learn that lesson.

Jones also said his opinion is satire, so yeah. There goes that one.

Also you are missing the point. People replaced ‘white’ with ‘black’ and ‘jew’ and were insta banned. Those posts were also satirical.

And how about all the hate speech that is currently on all of those App Store hosted Apps? On Twitter? On Facebook? On YouTube?

The fact that there is open and consistent “hate speech” on those platforms is evidence that the rules are not applied evenly.

 

[Treq]

There is no definition of hate speech, that’s the problem.

yes there is.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate speech
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
was that so hard?

 

[thadoggfather]

Some of these are just him rambling and using indirect threats or wishing ill on people he doesn't like, others are direct threats made by him.

So a lot of these aren’t directed at anyone just rambling as you said. Just fired up rhetoric not directed at any one.

We need full context for the parts with name call outs. I’m sure it’s in reference to the rhetoric people like wolf blitzer are peddling and he’s saying wolf wouldn’t like not having armed body guards and continuing to push the rhetoric and policy he is for people who don’t have armed bodyguards and protected lives.

Sorry this clip is absurd tho I assumed it was gonna be a hacked together thing. So it isn’t worth spending much if any time on it. Believe however you feel like believing tho. More power to ya

Tl;dr - this is really weak evidence and the timing of the ban clearly has nothing to do with this. It’s about the periscope Darcy confrontation. Confronting the beast that is cnn. Not allowed. Apple loves cnn

 

[Jsameds]

Some of these are just him rambling and using indirect threats or wishing ill on people he doesn't like, others are direct threats made by him.

Those aren’t threats, they’re out of context quotes mostly relating to what he’d do if he was the victim of violence.

 

[Treq]

Please don’t pretend conservative voices have nearly the mainstream reach as liberal ones. It’s not even comparable. Can you find conservative news and media? Of course you can. That doesn’t mean it’s equally available to hear those points of view. Maybe it shouldn’t be though. I think the Alex jones was a horrible person and have absolutely no problem with his ban. Good riddance I say. However, if this continues to keep happening to more reasonable conservative voices I think we will have to see how society as a whole reacts to decide if it’s what the people truly want. I think overall this is mostly just hot air. Nothing to see here. A loud mouthed jackass is being silenced. Conservatives should be the happiest of all about this. He makes them look insane.

Fox News has the highest ratings of any cable news station and is extremely constertive. (btw news isn't supposed to be) Alex jones is a nut-job he isn't "news". Conservatives have just as much a presence in the media as anyone.

 

[SgtPepper12]

A lot of people take Alex Jones seriously. My brother does. My brother has some mental issues and he can’t understand that someone would be misleading him for profit. There are a lot of people like this in the country. I don’t care if Alex Jones says controversial things except when they are outright lies that he then convinces other people to believe.

Sorry about your brother, but whether or not an individual is negatively effected by someone can't and shouldn't be the measure whether or not that someone is allowed to have an audience. In fact, I'm pretty sure, especially in today's public climate, you are guaranteed to find a dozen people who are in some way offended or triggered or whatever by absolutely every single thing. If you then go on and remove everything from the internet using that scheme then I doubt there will be much left of it.

Some of these are just him rambling and using indirect threats or wishing ill on people he doesn't like, others are direct threats made by him.

If I just listen to the theatrical, overly dramatic way he says those things and take the context of his shows into account, I simply can't imagine how anyone can take this guy seriously. I mean, he really is a pretty funny guy. He's nuts too, but I believe most of what he says is in some way satirical. At the very least, I'm pretty sure he never seriously threatened to kill anyone, ever and I do think that is obvious once you get over your confirmation bias.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Apparently he did it enough and the threats were enough to get him banned. It's definitely not "fake news"... the video is there. I knew some of these clips were out of context, hence I said, but some of it was clearly alarming, like his advocating violence against Mueller.

 

[Treq]

You can yell on the corner as well, instead of posting on the forums that you don’t like the guy.
The door swings both ways.
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So should half the current and past politicians. But that’s not going to happen.

Yeah, but i'm not a nut-job. Alex Jones clearly is. Also, if i had said half the crazy stuff he did, I expect apple or mac rumors would ban me as well.

 

[Jsameds]

yes there is.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate speech
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
was that so hard?

“speech expressing hatred of a particular group of people“

So why is hate speech targeting Trump supporters allowed on these same platforms?

 

[ovo6]

This is a complete violation of free speech that app was downloaded million times it was top in news

 

[canadianreader]

I dunno how our republic can still be standing due to the loss of a podcast.

They start with the most controversial one to create a precedent then they go on suppressing the rest while they redefine the meaning of hate speech along the way. Remember communism, a left ideology that killed more than 60 million people whom did not agree with the state agenda or worked against it.

 

[GermanSuplex]

They start with the most controversial one to create a precedent then they go on suppressing the rest while they redefine the meaning of hate speech along the way. Remember communism, a left ideology that killed more than 60 million people whom did not agree with the state agenda or worked against it.

Communism isn't a left or right ideology, that just is not true. Tell me, exactly how liberal are most communist nations today?

 

[Treq]

“speech expressing hatred of a particular group of people“

So why is hate speech targeting Trump supporters allowed on these same platforms?

There is none. also Trump supporters aren't a protected class. They are just people that believe trumps lies.

 

[SgtPepper12]

yes there is.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate speech
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
was that so hard?

Are you seriously suggesting those are completely objective definitions that do not require a large amount of completely subjective judgement of what qualifies as "hatred" or "group of people"? Because I guarantee, there are a lot of degrees of freedom there. You could pretty much define this any way you like, in the most extreme case saying something negative about more than one person could qualify as hate speech.

Fox News has the highest ratings of any cable news station and is extremely constertive. (btw news isn't supposed to be) Alex jones is a nut-job he isn't "news". Conservatives have just as much a presence in the media as anyone.

I wouldn't call Fox News "extremely conservative". They are conservative and pretty much the only network out there with that tendency with that kind of reach. All other big networks are clearly left-leaning, you simply can't deny that. And news isn't supposed to be conservative? What is that supposed to mean?

 

[Jsameds]

I suppose this hate speech is “ok”

 

[futbalguy]

Sorry about your brother, but whether or not an individual is negatively effected by someone can't and shouldn't be the measure whether or not that someone is allowed to have an audience. In fact, I'm pretty sure, especially in today's public climate, you are guaranteed to find a dozen people who are in some way offended or triggered or whatever by absolutely every single thing. If you then go on and remove everything from the internet using that scheme then I doubt there will be much left of it.


If I just listen to the theatrical, overly dramatic way he says those things and take the context of his shows into account, I simply can't imagine how anyone can take this guy seriously. I mean, he really is a pretty funny guy. He's nuts too, but I believe most of what he says is in some way satirical. At the very least, I'm pretty sure he never seriously threatened to kill anyone, ever and I do think that is obvious once you get over your confirmation bias.

You shouldn’t feel sorry for my brother as much as realize millions of people around the world have similar issues and get very worked up by engaging personas like Alex Jones. It’s not like it’s just alex Jones, there are tons of people on TV and the internet that lie to people to make money. It’s one thing to have a belief and another to outright lie to listeners who you know can get worked up and become fervent believers.

 

[Treq]

Are you seriously suggesting those are completely objective definitions that do not require a large amount of completely subjective judgement of what qualifies as "hatred" or "group of people"? Because I guarantee, there are a lot of degrees of freedom there. You could pretty much define this any way you like, in the most extreme case saying something negative about more than one person could qualify as hate speech.


I wouldn't call Fox News "extremely conservative". They are conservative and pretty much the only network out there with that tendency with that kind of reach. All other big networks are clearly left-leaning, you simply can't deny that. And news isn't supposed to be conservative? What is that supposed to mean?

Fox news is extremely conservative. Msnbc is left leaning. Most networks aren't left leaning. That's just right wing propaganda.

 

[Jsameds]

There is none. also Trump supporters aren't a protected class. They are just people that believe trumps lies.

Of course there is. Just type in **** Trump supporters. Hundreds of thousands of Tweets.

Ok you’re already redefining the phrase. This is exactly why I said there is no definition, because it is so open to interpretation.