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Makes no sense.

Currently a $999 entry level 11 inch Mac Book Air runs at 1.4ghz.
A $999 Entry level 13 inch Mac Book runs at 2.4ghz. 1000ghz faster, 2 inch larger screen, and a dvd drive. Yes people still burn cds and dvds.

A 13 in Mac Book Air runs at 1.86ghz for 1299. But for $1199 you can get a 13 inch Macbook Pro running at 2.3ghz with a dvd drive and firewire.

if Apple doesn't lower the MacBook air price points a Mac Book or Mac Book pro will always be a better deal.
 
If we can get past the incredibly weak CD and continue forward with the increasing network bandwidth and available disk space, perhaps we will be able to leave the weak 16 bit audio @ 44.1 and start moving back towards the sound quality that vinyl had years ago...

+1!!

See theSeb? I feel sorry for you that you will never appreciate what uncompressed vinyl sounds like on a decent bit of high fidelity equipment. I assume you use compact discs to listen to music? That's sad.
 
Oh, and for the folks screaming about the lack of an optical drive if the white Macbook is killed off, the one in this White Macbook is pure crap. It makes more coasters than good disks, and is a brutally slower burner. This mid-2010 Macbook makes me dream of a decent external burner.
 
dumping the macbook only makes sense if they feel they can't upgrade it anymore without it getting too close for comfort spec wise to their base model mbp

Cheers to the on-the-ball moderators - keeping the discussion maturity level higher than 14 years old! :D
 
+1!!

See theSeb? I feel sorry for you that you will never appreciate what uncompressed vinyl sounds like on a decent bit of high fidelity equipment. I assume you use compact discs to listen to music? That's sad.

Fair enough,but I am not getting into this conversation here. :) Before you know it we will be fighting over valve amps and solid state amps.
 
I think they should just lower the price down to $899, or at least give $100 or $200 worth of App Store purchases. I know lots of people (older people) that would definitely buy the white MacBook. Some people just aren't into aluminum.
 
I, for one, really hope this is wrong - and it would seem to be - why get rid of a machine that, per the report, is selling around a million units a year? From a consumer standpoint, I'd also be sad to see it go. It at least seems a lot more durable than the MBP (any comments on the MBP's durability appreciated), which I've grown in appreciation for having small children at home, who love to open and close it and "type". :)

Dave (owner of circa 2006 Macbook, still going strong)
 
I love my 2008 Macbook. I would hate to lose them. I love the polycarbonate feel. It's not as hot and it doesn't dent. Sure, the current ones crack easily but I'm looking forward to a fix for this. And their terrible bubbling issue. Oh well. I hate to see Apple without a full featured laptop for under $1k. Just doesn't really make sense.
 
The capacity and price of SSDs is the saving grace for the MacBook at the moment. For me 128GB is small, heck, even 256GB isn't what I'd consider large and I'm the sort of user the MacBook is aimed at, so if we're saying its going, I'm then who the Air is aimed at.

My music collection, my photos and a couple of iMovie projects, nothing spectacularly out of the ordinary or what joe public wouldn't do. The ability to do this was why I bought a MacBook in the first place.

I'd be sorry to see it go as it is the perfect entry to the Mac world. The MacBook I bought was my first Mac and I wouldn't go back now. I'd personally choose something sturdier as I've had three cracked cases, so I'd prefer aluminium, but for getting into the Mac world on a limited budget it was fantastic for me and I'm sure many others, I'd be sorry to see it discontinued.
 
Not surprising at all, I remember speculating this when the new line of MBAs came out, doesn't really make sense offering both at $999, most people will take the Air.

Huh? I just checked the Apple Store, and the MacBook Air is $1299 - NOT $999. So we're talking about a 30% premium. I don't know how you could say that they offer "both at $999" and that ppl would choose the Air. That's crazy talk.

Of course, Apple offers a little bitty 11" Air for $999, but I'm sure you couldn't be suggesting that someone in the market for a 13" laptop would want something that small - those are totally different markets.
 
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Hehehe... I only use $200 power cables! ;)
 
I think they should just lower the price down to $899, or at least give $100 or $200 worth of App Store purchases. I know lots of people (older people) that would definitely buy the white MacBook. Some people just aren't into aluminum.

I work in a place that has a lot of staff, and a near 50/50 ratio of Windows and Mac users. The white Macbook are generally in horrible condition after 2-3 years of use, compared to the Aluminum Macbooks.
 
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Hehehe... I only use $200 power cables! ;)

:D :D

That's like a red rag to a bull.
 
And you don't get my point. If they are on a budget so tight that 200 dollars is too big a difference, they probably can't afford that Mac when they can afford something cheaper that may not be their desired product but will do what they need it to do.

I do get your point, but I think you are wrong. They might want an Air or MBP, but the most they can afford is a MB - if the want OSX - and they may actually need to spend the money elsewhere. $200 is a lot of money to many people, especially if someone actually worked and save for it. Alternatively, they extra features may not be worth $200 to them since a MB will do quite nicely for 90% of computer users.

It's called sometimes you can't get what you want (or you realize you shouldn't if you are smart on budgeting your money).

True - you seem to think that someone who spends $800 can afford $1000 - when in fact the compromise they make is the cheaper model because that is in their budget.

I make a lot of computer recommendations, and the first thing I ask is what is your budget - we can decide from their what the best course of action may be. It does no good to say "it's only $200 more" if they can't afford to spend it.

But when you are on a tight budget, sometimes you have to make compromises.

Right, and a MB vs Air / MBP is one possible compromise.
 
The 13" MacBook Pro would be the logical replacement since it's only a tad more money and also faster.

And Apple could tweak that "tad more money" different by just putting less expensive parts on. 2GB instead 4GB , smaller HDD , less expensive CPU, loose the keyboard backlight, etc. Perhaps even forgoing the Thunderbolt to shave a few more bucks. They could even stick in the gratuitous difference of dropping the FW socket to bring it back into alignment with the current MacBook and save a small amount of machining time. Shaving off $200 would be hard but not unachievable (would need a cheaper CPU though). A drop of $100 seems very doable.

Slower and more affordable can be done with the MBP 13" basic chassis.
In the past, the MB has been very close to being "last years" low end MBP in a plastic case. With a slower, more affordable Core iX processor can do something similar with an aluminum case. The objective being to reuse 90+ % of MBP 13" costs on a more affordable computer with slightly different packaging.


Having different R&D on the MacBook doesn't make sense with 5 other "Macbook line" models to work on.

It only really makes sense to replace with something at the same (or close to the same) price point. Either peg both MBA 11" and revised MB 13" at $999 or split on $999 and $1099 respectively. The latter brings them back into alignment avoiding pricing similar products on same price point. ( still an overlap on the lower MBP 13" and upper MBA 11")


I don't think Apple meant the MBA format was the immediate future for the entire Mac laptop line up ("Macbooks" ). Eventually, flash will be as affordable as HDDs were in 2011, but that isn't going to happen in a year. Even the proposed boost of the MBA up to 128GB are still approximately 1/2 the size of the current MacBook storage limit ( 250GB) . Users tend to have lots of "stuff". Many will not fill up 500-1,000 GB drives but 128GB is definitely "small" to a much larger group of people. When sub $80 250GB flash drives get here, sure that can be the default the space that the current Macbook is in.

The MBA form factor is crippled though for faster graphics and affordable, larger capacity flash drives.
 
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This makes sense to me. I suspect that a lot of people with basic computing needs who would have bought the MB in the past are or will be buying an iPad instead. For many of those who need or want a basic laptop computer, the base-model MBA will suffice, assuming it has a 128 GB SSD. The new Sandy Bridge processor should be plenty fast enough for most tasks. For those who want an optical drive, there's the $79 external Superdrive. For those who also want more storage, there's the 13" MBP. Yes, there are people who will want the exact feature set of the MB at the current MB price point, but there are plenty of feature-and-price-point combinations that people want, but that Apple doesn't offer. The question from a business standpoint is how many people who want the current MB at the current price point would buy a Windows laptop if it weren't available, as opposed to buying a 13" MPB, a MBA, or an iPad. I suspect it wouldn't be enough to warrant keeping the MB in the line-up. Dropping the MB would also be consistent with Apple's approach: make the consumer products lighter and thinner, and drop features that Steve believes are on their way out (e.g., optical drives and HDDs).

My 2008 15" MBP still handles everything I throw at it, which includes all the basic consumer tasks and a few prosumer tasks, such as digital photography. I normally use it with an external monitor, keyboard, mouse, and variety of peripherals connected to a USB hub. If it were to bite the dust after the MBA refresh, I'd probably replace it with an 11" MBA with a 256 GB SSD, assuming I could connect all my peripherals -- and, yes, I'd buy the external Superdrive, because I still rip DVDs and CDs. I love the 11" MBA's ultra-portability, even though my MBP rarely leaves my home office, now that I have an iPad.

I'll see everyone back at this space in about three years, commenting on the article, "Apple to end-of-life MacBook Air, now that iPad 5 fully supports externals peripherals via Bluetooth and Thunderbolt?"
 
I work in a place that has a lot of staff, and a near 50/50 ratio of Windows and Mac users. The white Macbook are generally in horrible condition after 2-3 years of use, compared to the Aluminum Macbooks.

Yeah, im not gonna argue about that. I own a MacBook Pro, and I would never get a regular plastic MacBook.. All im saying is that I know tons of people that would prefer the plastic mac over the aluminum one.
 
Fair enough,but I am not getting into this conversation here. :) Before you know it we will be fighting over valve amps and solid state amps.

What fight - everyone *knows* tubes are the only way to go...
 
Upgrade to Core i5

and then see if this outsells the MBP 13" or not...

outside of USA, $200 makes lots of difference.

if the macbook refreshed often it will sell well.

if 13" MBA priced at $999 then you can replace the Macbook.
 
For college users, I've only seen a few students now have the white MB. Most go for the MBP.

But for the humanities college student I argue that the base MBA or even the iPad will suffice.

No one needs GBs of space unless they are doing video or audio work. My whole pdf library for graduate school took up only 10 GBs.
 
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