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Fewer moving parts usually equals greater reliability.

Of course, other confounds exist which may produce exceptions to this rule.

My point exactly - which is why the original statement you made:

Any piece of electronics that does not have moving parts will be more reliable than those that have moving parts.

is a commonly held, but incorrect, belief.
 
For college users, I've only seen a few students now have the white MB. Most go for the MBP.

But for the humanities college student I argue that the base MBA or even the iPad will suffice.

No one needs GBs of space unless they are doing video or audio work. My whole pdf library for graduate school took up only 10 GBs.

True. Maybe I'm a little more tenacious than most, but I survived both under grad and grad with a thumb drive and the school library..

Many studies require no sort of significant processing power in a notebook.
 
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Would make sense to me ; White Plastic don't fit anymore ...
 
I'm not saying that Apple will or Apple won't kill the MB, but I don't really see what a lot of posters are saying about the two models (base MB and base MBA) being the same price as being evidence of the macbook's irrelevance.

If the macbook finally gets the much-needed bump in specs, Apple could still offer both at the same price point. They'd just be offering consumers the choice between two computers that suit different needs. If you're looking for portability above all else, then the Air is probably right for you. If you're looking for more of an affordable desktop replacement, the macbook is probably right for you. Either way, consumers can find what works for them at a reasonable price (for an Apple product).
 
I wouldn't mind if the white MacBook died. I think having an all aluminum lineup makes their collection look more impressive.
 
The MB seems pretty redundant. When they came out with the $1000 MBA, I wondered, if someone didn't have a need for the power of a MBP, why would they buy a MB? Ports?

If it were $700, I could see them selling a big plastic entry-level notebook, but otherwise, it just doesn't fit in with the rest of the line.

They could just drop the "Air" designation and rebrand those "Macbook"s. Or keep em the same, and consider them all Macbooks, just that some are "Air"s and some are "Pro"s.
 
The MB seems pretty redundant. When they came out with the $1000 MBA, I wondered, if someone didn't have a need for the power of a MBP, why would they buy a MB? Ports?

If it were $700, I could see them selling a big plastic entry-level notebook, but otherwise, it just doesn't fit in with the rest of the line.

They could just drop the "Air" designation and rebrand those "Macbook"s. Or keep em the same, and consider them all Macbooks, just that some are "Air"s and some are "Pro"s.

women dont care about specs they just love the white plastic
 
The MacBook Air won't be named "MacBook" until it has selling points over the Pro - namely the hi-res screen or the SSD over that crappy 5400rpm drive.
 
Very few people out in the real world need more than 50GB space in my experience. Almost none would find the new mobile Sandy Bridge chips slow. And almost none need a DVD drive unless they’re at home, in which case an external you leave at your desk is fine. (And most don’t even need that: watching a movie on your laptop is neat, but DVD is not the best or only way to do that, and most people I know have DVD players—not laptops—for their home movie viewing.)

So the Air is NOT a viable alternative for everyone. But it is for most people. Especially white MacBook buyers. The solid state drive’s snappy performance alone is just awesome.

The low % of sales of the white MacBook seems to bear out my observations: it was great and it had its place, but the Air is better for most people.

(If they keep it, drop the price!)

I agree with most of what you said. But a 50 gb drive is not enough. Thats easily my daughters music and itunes video collection.

If anything I think the Air should be targeted at iPad users looking to step up (add native 3g or 4g service and I'm there!) and keep the Mac Book for educational users
 
The point of the Air is an extremely lightweight laptop that performs well due to the SSD. It's 2011 and optical drives are nearly obsolete. I wish the MBP line would get a second drive option in place of an optical drive (like MCE's Optibay gives you). I'd love to have an SSD and a HDD in my laptop (and I'm seriously thinking about getting an Optibay).

If they can offer an Air with an 128GB SSD at the $999 price point I can see them retiring the White MacBook. 64GB SSD is far too small, however.

It may be 2011 However when your MAX speed is 3Mb and in a small 8,000 people town the days of needing an optical drive for software installations are NOT gone! (Won't be till everyone has a 10 Mb+ connection) including people who live in rural area's like I do
 
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That's like a red rag to a bull.

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:D

I think that analogy applies to most MacRumors threads :p
 
U ANGRY BRAH?!

I said it wont go away, purely because there will still be uses for that media in 20 years time. My comment has nothing to do with another persons' media decision or whatever the hell you're talking about. I was simply stating a fact.

Instead of trying to start pointless arguments because your bored or your parents don't love you anymore, why not go outside and enjoy life?

I didn't see any indication from his post that he is angry. Perhaps you are projecting?

And you were NOT "simply stating a fact." You stated a rather ludicrous opinion that optical isn't going away in the next 20 years. I have news for you - it's already gone for all practical purposes. I can't imagine using a physical disc these days (other than as a coaster). We are just waiting for the rest of you to catch up. And it won't take 20 years.
 
I, for one, really hope this is wrong - and it would seem to be - why get rid of a machine that, per the report, is selling around a million units a year? From a consumer standpoint, I'd also be sad to see it go. It at least seems a lot more durable than the MBP (any comments on the MBP's durability appreciated), which I've grown in appreciation for having small children at home, who love to open and close it and "type". :)

Dave (owner of circa 2006 Macbook, still going strong)

Aluminium dents and scuffs, Plastic Cracks, shatters, snaps, and scratches.

The white MacBook is also notorious for the hinge cracking issue, as well as the fact that the bottom of it gets dirty just by looking at it :)
 
So what if there isnt a plain macbook.

There is nothing wrong with choosing between the air model or the pro model.
I would agree having only a pro model doesnt make a lot of sense with no other "non pro" models. But the air has its strengths which are different than the pro. To me all you really need is two product lines in a laptop category and there is no need to have a base product name like macbook. To me Macbook describes the device, and the air/pro designation describes the model.

If anything I wish the pro was more different than the air. because i have a feeling for lots of folks, its hard to choose between the two for what best serves their needs...especially for people that want a full functioning longterm laptop with no real need to run 3rd party power hungry software. Handling MS Office and internet/email is good enough for most non gamers or photo/video editing folks.

Anyone on a "low budget" shouldnt be looking at brand new apple products anyway. The PC world gives a lot more for the money. You don't buy an apple product to save money, you buy it for the emotional connection with an electronic device that competitors haven't seemed to mastered yet.
 
I would think a Santa Rosa based MBA would be perfect for school children. No hard drives to break,

Small hands on keyboards and carrying closed yes. However, the lid/screen on a MBA 11" isn't exactly build for abuse.

The other issue is curriculum. if part of the process is to make DVDs ( movies of school projects so they can be shown on DVD player ) then the MBA is a fail. Sure you could say just change the whole labs and buy video projectors ( instead of using the TV/DVD players the schools already have ) but that is something different. Often schools have trailing edge technologies to integrate with.

I'm sure Apple would like a curriculm that taught optical disks went out with the horse and buggy, but they'll have to wait a bit longer for that to be pervasive.
 
I would think a Santa Rosa based MBA would be perfect for school children. No hard drives to break, easier for kids to handle, easier to store, more durable & less maint. intensive, & less expensive. If adult can be productive w/ an 11" why can't school kids w/ smaller hands?

Santa Rosa? WHAT? :°D

That's like some 2007 chipset.
 
Why'd they stop the black macbooks? If they really wanted to capture more business users, should have kept a black laptop in the lineup. Business Black! Not white.
 
Makes no sense.

Currently a $999 entry level 11 inch Mac Book Air runs at 1.4ghz.
A $999 Entry level 13 inch Mac Book runs at 2.4ghz. 1000ghz faster, 2 inch larger screen, and a dvd drive. Yes people still burn cds and dvds.

A 13 in Mac Book Air runs at 1.86ghz for 1299. But for $1199 you can get a 13 inch Macbook Pro running at 2.3ghz with a dvd drive and firewire.

if Apple doesn't lower the MacBook air price points a Mac Book or Mac Book pro will always be a better deal.

I though we dispelled the myth that clock speed is relevant when comparing two or more processors from different families earlier last decade. At any rate you are comparing the current MBA w/ the current MB, not MBA to-be-released this week. We don't know the specs on that one and it very well could be a much faster Sandy Bridge based chip than what is in the today's MBA or MB.

Also, the same people who claim they can't do w/o an internal optical drive are the same ones who said they couldn't do w/o an internal modem when Apple dropped those. Some people don't like technological change.

But, honestly, I haven't burned an optical drive in a long time. I have MBPs for only one reason -- I need the extra ports. I'd be fine if Apple ditched the optical drive and lowered the price $100. I can always find an external drive if I really need to burn something but usually I save to a flash drive or to the cloud.

Optical drives will be gone in all Mac laptops by the end of 2012. Bank it.

Santa Rosa? WHAT? :°D

That's like some 2007 chipset.

Yeah, my brain is wandering. Meant Sandy Bridge.
 
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