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No need for it. iPhone for on the go. iPad for when im home/in the hotel.

Absolutely. A 7" iPad is as relevant as a 27" iPhone. The moment this happens is the moment when we'll definitely know Apple has lost its way under Cook and his non-innovative leadership.

BOTTOM LINE: Short Apple while you still can.
 
I highly, highly doubt that the Nexus 7 will be "plastic junk." Kindle Fire is, first and foremost, an e-reader. It does a fine damn job at it too.

better than the iPad? The e-ink devices have some advantages but the Fire doesn't seem to have their advantages and all the 'disadvantages' of the iPad, the same screen issues (but smaller) , shorter batter life, okay a bit lighter, but what else makes it a better e-reader than the iPad such that if the iPad 7" comes out I would prefer a fire over it as an e-reader?
 
You must not have an iPad 3.... the iPad 3 screen alone is better than the 2. I'd take the retina display... all by itself over the 2. So no, 2 isn't the best tablet ever I'm afraid to say.

I just used my new retina MBP side by side my year-old 15" MBP. No contest. The old 15" screen looks like the worst in the world compared to the retina screen.

Embrace innovation.

How quickly we get use to better things and yet some will fight it till they die or are dragged to change.

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What a coincidence. She said the same thing to me.

Oh you did not, ROFL :cool:

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better than the iPad? The e-ink devices have some advantages but the Fire doesn't seem to have their advantages and all the 'disadvantages' of the iPad, the same screen issues (but smaller) , shorter batter life, okay a bit lighter, but what else makes it a better e-reader than the iPad such that if the iPad 7" comes out I would prefer a fire over it as an e-reader?

But the fandroids will buy it and drool at its magical perfections :rolleyes:
 
So you walk into Walmart and see the Nexus 7 or new Kindle Fire selling for $199 and the iPad mini for $299. Which would you buy?

Depends upon how hooked into the Apple ecosystem they are.
If they have an iPhone (not replacing but will share apps), Touch ( replacing with a substantially bigger & better screen) , and/or a large iTunes DRM collection then the $100 isn't a big gap.

Likewise for the Android folks. Nexus 7" will look better (even if Apple matched the $199 price).

As a general purpose tablet the Fire has problems. If primarily using it for e-reading , some web , a video streaming , and cutesy games to pass the time then perhaps.

It just isn't in Apple's nature to compete on price.

If the 7" iPad is priced $100 more then they aren't competing on price.
They rarely just "quit" because they are priced higher though. It is only if they can't get folks to pay the premium. In most cases, they can.


They have always been about pay more for better quality.

Ironically, they can compete on less lockin. Fire is heavily locked into the Amazon store and content. Nexus 7" not as much but they will heavily push Google Play, but Apple will push "app count". On iPad can use Safari or Chrome now. ( it isn't quite real Chrome but it is somewhat integrated. )




Ironic - I'm looking at the MacRumors reply page and what is at the top, an ad for the Nexus 7. .

It isn't ironic. Ads are targeted. Because this is 7" tablet target google is paying more to advertise here.
 
Just curious, why do you want a smaller tablet? I thought the iPad is relatively small/light and a good replacement if you don't want all the stuff that goes with a laptop.

I have an iPad and love it for many reasons... but it just isn't portable in my eyes. I would never whip it out on a train, for instance, and read a book. I also don't like reading books or comics on my iPhone - too small.

A 7-8" iPad would be PERFECT for reading and transporting, imo. When I am at home lounging around inside or in my yard, the 9" is great.
 
better than the iPad? The e-ink devices have some advantages but the Fire doesn't seem to have their advantages and all the 'disadvantages' of the iPad, the same screen issues (but smaller) , shorter batter life, okay a bit lighter, but what else makes it a better e-reader than the iPad such that if the iPad 7" comes out I would prefer a fire over it as an e-reader?

No, if there were a 7" iPad that would come out, it probably would be better as far as e-reading goes. The Fire would still sell a lot because, being Apple, the 7" iPad would be 100 dollars more expensive.

The Fire is a much, MUCH better device for reading in bed, for example, than the iPad due to the 'a bit lighter' aspect.
 
Reviews and sales are NOT the same thing.

Amazon announces sales of the Kindle line up, but not the Fire specifically. During the month of December it was something like 1 million Kindles a week and then dropped to like a quarter of that after the holidays.

Really, sales dropped off after the holidays in retail? Doom. pure doom. not.

Fires were a bit over hyped but without global countries to incrementally roll out to throughout the year it is probably going to be very cyclical.


there have been post after post on all sorts of blogs about how crappy the Fire actually is and how folks were returning it within days of getting it. Telling their friends and family not to bother etc.

Frankly, lots of folks got them as presents or had bad expectations (sold as a discount general Android tablet). That isn't necessarily a doomed product. Of the folks that do keep the Fire are they buying stuff? Is Amazon starting to break even on them. That is far more critical factors than are there some whiners about the product. If you sell a couple million they are going to be more than a few.


There have even been rumors that Amazon is talking about making a 10 inch model to compete with the iPad.

None of those rumors said Amazon was dropping the 10" for the 7" . The 10" is being positioned in addition to the 7" version. It is a chance for Amazon to chase a higher price point and perhaps something closer to break-even.

THAT is what makes it a bust.

Such a huge bust that Google quickly bought into a prototype and got something competitive out the door.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/how-the-nexus-7-came-to-be/
 
It'll probably be branded as an iPod rather than an iPad. Yeah it doesn't make sense, but neither does a 7.85-inch iPad.

Maybe they'll kill the iPod Touch and replace it with this?

Kinda with you. I see a bigger iPod touch instead of a smaller iPad. The iPad 9.7" is THE iPad.
 
I can't see this happening until Apple sees some serious competition. Until then, it would only serve to muddy the waters for customers.
 
Pricing is gonna be a major factor, iPad 2 (still the best tablet ever)
sells for £299.99

its welcome 7" thought but we have to be reasonable here but then again it Apple we gossiping about

ipad 3 is the best tablet ever.:)
 
What you are missing is that the current 7 inch tablets are all a bust. They have few sales, many complaints and returns and basically no mind share. The 10 inch iPad is already kicking their collective butts so why would Apple spend the time and effort to make something they feel would be substandard to compete with something they are already beating with the current products

They are busts because they are NOT APPLE and do not have the ECOSYSTEM and APPS.

If Apple makes the 7" iTouch, then it's going to do just damn fine. And many people who have and iPhone and iPad will buy it also. It serves a different niche of users.

Me for example. I'll get it and take it on the go as the day to day mobile device. I'll leave the iPad at home for home/couch/content consumption and for vacations.

Just like Audi has a A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7 A8...different sizes and types for different users.

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I can't see this happening until Apple sees some serious competition. Until then, it would only serve to muddy the waters for customers.

Muddy the waters how?

iPhone - 4"
iTouch - 7"
iPad - 10"

Doesn't get much clearer then that.

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I have an iPad and love it for many reasons... but it just isn't portable in my eyes. I would never whip it out on a train, for instance, and read a book. I also don't like reading books or comics on my iPhone - too small.

A 7-8" iPad would be PERFECT for reading and transporting, imo. When I am at home lounging around inside or in my yard, the 9" is great.

Yep...I agree and have been saying this is every 7" new item whenever it comes up.

The iPad is portable.

It's not IDEAL for many situations though.

A 7" is.
 
I think if they did (I doubt they will) bring out a 7.5" iPad it would sell well. Certainly would blow the Kindle Fire people out of the water. But I think the current screen size of the iPad is just perfect. Making it any bigger or smaller would just be pointless.
 
Muddy the waters how?

iPhone - 4"
iTouch - 7"
iPad - 10"

Doesn't get much clearer then that.

How does you ignoring the use cases for the devices make it clear? The iPhone is clearly different than the iPad, not just in size, but in suitability for functions. It's ultra-portable, fits in your pocket, and runs apps designed for a small size and one handed operation.

The iPad is portable, but less so, but the big difference is that the 10" screen enabled "page sized" interfaces allowing for higher productivity apps.

The muddy part is what the 7" model is designed for. It's not big enough to run productivity apps well and Apple won't simply scale down the UI (the widgets would be too small to touch), and it's too big to run iPhone apps without looking strange. Will there be a new category of apps on the app store? Will we need triple-ultra-binaries for apps native to iPhone/iPod, iPad, and mini iPad?
 
Perhaps everyone does not live in your wealthy universe and perhaps has a limited budget for "what in effect is" a toy they don't really need.

Then why would they even be in the market for a tablet in the first place? It's through-and-through a luxury computing item, no matter what platform you're talking. The scenario you're painting...

Perhaps they have 3 children and looking to buy them gifts for Christmas but $1200 is way WAY over their budget.

... just doesn't make any sense. Not only would someone on a fixed budget not be looking at tablets, they also wouldn't be looking at buying one per child. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but describing it with highly unrealistic hypothetical situations doesn't help.
 
Time to Assimilate the 7" Market.

Some time in the future, people from all around the globe will be using their 7" iPads. These devices will run iControl. An application in it's infancy, destined to one day control our plethora of iOS devices.

Included will be MyHome. A suite of iOS controls for all you homes' needs. iPad, iPhone, ATV, iDVR, iTunes, iAC, iThermo, iLites.

Now Ken and Barbie can have a Home iPad and one for the purse or golf bag. The golf bag many be pushing it, but NEVER underestimate the "Power of the Purse".

I've said a 7" is coming for over a year. September should be a "Magical" month. :apple:
 
This is what I was saying in a different thread yesterday.

There are many times, esp in business where being able to easily hold a tablet device with one hand, and have the other free to do things would be ideal and what's needed.

The typical response I got was along the lines of, no it's not, the current size is perfect, and you need to man up if you can't hold the current model in one hand for any length of time.(

Actually, the response you got wasn't that at all. Literally nobody said it, so you are just lying now. The response you got was "Apple already makes a touchscreen device you can hold in one hand, so how come neither a 3.5" nor a 10" device are appropriate but a 7" device is? In what kind of scenario are the former two unusable but the latter size is ideal?" You dodged the question as always.
 
Yep...I agree and have been saying this is every 7" new item whenever it comes up.

The iPad is portable.

It's not IDEAL for many situations though.

A 7" is.

I agree with this. It just seems like 7" is better for actually doing things while moving, particularly in the healthcare field. But what do I know?
 
I will have to touch that 7" iPad, seeing in the Apple.com website will not work for me. I have to "see" it with my hands.

If Apple release an 4,5" iPhone or 7" iPad, that will means a big change. And I don't think its a good change.
 
Then why would they even be in the market for a tablet in the first place? It's through-and-through a luxury computing item, no matter what platform you're talking. The scenario you're painting...

If the Surface turns out like a lot of people expect, their table COULD be the future of computing items. As of right now, you can pretty much replace a computer for an average person and it would do the job.

Technology is growing more and more into a necessity rather than luxury. It's an ideal way to get jobs and help education.
 
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