Yes. From this report, it sounds like they're only doing this bezel free thing for the 10 inch one. If that is the case I will be very disappointed.hope they alao come up with an iPad Pro 12.9" - bezel-free. Love my 12.9"
Yes. From this report, it sounds like they're only doing this bezel free thing for the 10 inch one. If that is the case I will be very disappointed.hope they alao come up with an iPad Pro 12.9" - bezel-free. Love my 12.9"
Really, I think it's because a significant portion of the people who post here either seek pleasure from trying to be snarky and dismissive, or are actually paid trolls whose job is essentially industrial sabotage. I don't doubt that there are also some people who are genuinely dissatisfied with various Apple developments, but an awful lot of the (very predictably) critical comments on this site are built around expectations that are incongruous with anything Apple has ever been. You can boil a lot of those comments down to "I don't like the new iWhatever because it doesn't function like Windows or Android." Well, Apple has very specifically charted a business model and product line that does not function like Windows or Android. The day they start trying to be more like Windows or Android is the day you actually could stick a pin in it and chart their demise.
0.3mm thicker!!! Ive is going to get a heart attack when he finds out
You're right, the iPad has been primarily a consumer product. It's still is primarily a consumer product. Apple deeply integrating stylus input support didn't suddenly make it a professional device. Long before the Apple Pencil, creatives were using the iPad and styluses for professional graphics and design. The App Store featured multiple apps for that express purpose. Apple, right out of their playbook, simply took what was already there and made it more accessible and more functional. A stylus doesn't make it "Pro". If it did, the iPad was "Pro" long before Apple designated it as such.I don't think it's that complicated. The iPad has been primarily a consumer product up to this point. It's great for reading things, web surfing, and even light-duty office stuff. It has not, however, been particularly useful for creative and design work, because the UI was designed for Steve Jobs' finger. A finger or passive stylus isn't accurate enough for professional graphics or design. The Pencil fixes that. Ba da bing, you have a "Pro" device. Someone who does that kind of work professionally now has an iPad available that he or she can, with great precision, draw on. The consumer product is the iPad mini or Air. The Pro product is the iPad Pro. It's not that complicated.
"Pro" is simply a marketing term. It's that way for Apple, and it's that way for most tech companies. So it's not a knock against anyone. It just is. "Pro" simply connotes better than, more than, superiority... not professional.Huh? "Pro" is a modifier to "iPad." The device is an iPad, not a MacBook. Why would you expect the "Pro" delineation to mean that it would replace your MacBook?
Or keep the 'pro' moniker and make an iPad with pro capabilities. Maybe it's time to steal a page from MS and add a track pad to the smart keyboard. Or add wireless mouse capabilities.
Most of all, upgrade the iOS with a robust file system. But make this 'pro iOS' available only to pro iPads.
The non-pro models can continue to exist as many use them for surfing and watching movies anyways.
Apple tries pretty hard to limit fragmentation of their developer facing technologies. Adding another OS just makes things complicated for developers and consumers. I guarantee that if they introduced another OS, people here would complain that the App Store offerings were misleading.Agree. This makes sense. Being able to use the apple pencil or the smart keyboard on the pro models isn't enough to justify a "pro" label in my opinion. The addition of a special "pro IOS" for the pro models would be worthy of a pro moniker. Something that better blurred the lines between a laptop & a tablet perhaps. I guess apple knows what they're doing. I'm just alittle confused by the thinking here. Maybe it'll make better sense when the next upgrade comes. Although with the rumor of an additional 10.5" ipad between the 9.7" & 12.9" versions, I'm not so sure! I just see a lot of confusion & lack of focus in the current line ups for the tablet & laptops being offered by Apple. Get rid of the MacBook Air already. And simplify the iPad line. Don't add more. Simplify & streamline! More isn't always better. But hey. I'm just Joe consumer. Just my 2 cents.
0.3mm thicker!!! Ive is going to get a heart attack when he finds out
Really, I think it's because a significant portion of the people who post here either seek pleasure from trying to be snarky and dismissive, or are actually paid trolls whose job is essentially industrial sabotage. I don't doubt that there are also some people who are genuinely dissatisfied with various Apple developments, but an awful lot of the (very predictably) critical comments on this site are built around expectations that are incongruous with anything Apple has ever been. You can boil a lot of those comments down to "I don't like the new iWhatever because it doesn't function like Windows or Android." Well, Apple has very specifically charted a business model and product line that does not function like Windows or Android. The day they start trying to be more like Windows or Android is the day you actually could stick a pin in it and chart their demise.
It's a question of who Apple markets it to. If you're a "Pro", you're not a student or a child. You are somebody who derives income from your work, and thus see value in having better tools.
"Pro" is not any one profession and Apple runs a very sparse product line. They don't have specialized models for artists, photographers, videographers, civil engineers, electrical engineers, developers, doctors, lawyers, salespeople, athletes, construction workers and rodeo clowns. They have one high end product aimed at many professions.
It's a tool, not a toy.
Certainly there is crossover, just as people seem to want to play games on the Mac Pro and complain that it has graphic cards optimized for OpenCL rather than triangles per second, but that doesn't make the "Pro" distinction meaningless. I'm a professional. I like to play games and watch movies in my down time.
Let me just say that it's pretty unprofessional to let little things like product naming piss you off.
Yes, its true, some people on Macrumors and elsewhere feel compelled to criticize one of the richest companies in the world when that company does something that many of us long-time customers believe is not in our best interest. Raising the price $500 on a product that is already profitable is greedy (Mac Book Pro). Removing functionality and forcing people to purchase things separately just to restore the functionality of the previous model is greedy (Superdrives, SD card readers, dongles, etc). Refusing to participate in widespread sales is greedy (last year's Black Friday). Staunchly refusing to drop prices on older computer designs is greedy (Mac Pro). Making it harder or impossible for customers to upgrade their own machines is greedy (ram, hard drives, etc). Removing handy capabilities that virtually nobody wanted removed just to save a few bucks is greedy (Magsafe). Changing interfaces simply to build in customers captive to the proprietary ecosystem is greedy (headphone jack, Lightning, Firewire, etc). Upselling is greedy (Ram, SSD upgrades, etc) and anybody that knows anything about business knows that Apple does THAT better than ANYONE.
Remember:
This is a comment forum.
People will comment.
Some people commenting will actually disagree with you.
Life goes on.
Its ok.
It's funny how no one gets the sarcasm.
Well, I cannot speak for everybody, but I am quite dissatisfied with Apple products since around 2012 (when they began to discontinue the cMBPs including the 17").
That said, I think that the assertion that "I don't like the new iWhatever because it doesn't function like Windows or Android." is invalid is, well, invalid. Let's analyze that a bit:
I believe that both (current) Windows and certainly Android are a direct response to iOS. They are what (some) people wanted (and still do to some extent) iOS to be. It even was a key component of the early "Droid does" ad campaigns, where the adage that Android did what "idon't" was pervasive. Microsoft is contantly comparing its devices to Apple's.
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Wow, does nobody understand physics? Isn't the whole point of this rumored new device to give people the option for a 9.7 inch footprint with more than an inch of extra real estate? How exactly would you propose that without making it a tiny bit thicker? Magic?Ugh, the iPad Air 2 and 9.7" Pro feel amazing to hold at the 6.1mm thinness. I can't imagine going back to the Air thickness of 7.5mm
This whole lineup is starting to sound so strange.
I'm hoping for a decent update to the 12.9" if anything. Having used a 9.7" Pro quite heavily since March, I'm always feeling like I want more screen real estate now.
Why is that your opinion? Why do you not want there to be a budget option for people who can't afford the latest, greatest bezel-free technology?If they do this, they should just get rid of the 9.7" model IMO..
aren't really pro enough
I think phrasings like this get to the heart of the lunacy. Using the term like this doesn't even make sense.products that are universally Pro
"iPad Pro" is simply a way of differentiating Apple tablets that have 1) more advanced screen technology that accepts input from an Apple Pencil and 2) have the ability to physically connect an optional keyboard (via tiny side ports) from cheaper, simpler iPad models that don't. It allows people who want to use their iPads for more professional applications to pay extra for the technology they want, while still allowing people who simply use their iPads for watching movies and browsing the web to have a cheaper option.Can someone explain to me what makes an iPad "Pro"?
I'm honestly curious on the facts here, because none of the rumored changes (nor the current specs) seem to.
Yes, sarcastic. Apple's solution in search of a problem.Did you make that up? Ive never had a home button fail and ive had more than a dozen apple products so far.
Wanting a company to give you something you value for less than you value it just because they're successful is greedy. Wanting a company to disregard their other customers to satisfy your personal requirements is greedy. Thinking you are entitled to a discount because you just celebrated the natives saving the immigrants from starvation isYes, its true, some people on Macrumors and elsewhere feel compelled to criticize one of the richest companies in the world when that company does something that many of us long-time customers believe is not in our best interest. Raising the price $500 on a product that is already profitable is greedy (Mac Book Pro). Removing functionality and forcing people to purchase things separately just to restore the functionality of the previous model is greedy (Superdrives, SD card readers, dongles, etc). Refusing to participate in widespread sales is greedy (last year's Black Friday). Staunchly refusing to drop prices on older computer designs is greedy (Mac Pro). Making it harder or impossible for customers to upgrade their own machines is greedy (ram, hard drives, etc). Removing handy capabilities that virtually nobody wanted removed just to save a few bucks is greedy (Magsafe). Changing interfaces simply to build in customers captive to the proprietary ecosystem is greedy (headphone jack, Lightning, Firewire, etc). Upselling is greedy (Ram, SSD upgrades, etc) and anybody that knows anything about business knows that Apple does THAT better than ANYONE.
Not sure what your issue is. They've disregarded thinness before when coming out with new technology & features, with the first iPad Retina and the new Apple Watch series 2 being two of several such examples.I'm glad Apple has decided to not worry about its thickness. Because the thinness of our products is the LEAST thing we care about.![]()
Wow, you and all the other geniuses on this discussion board really seem to know what's best for Apple. Why make a single product bezel-free if you're not able to make all your products bezel-free, all at once? It probably has nothing to do with the size of individual components relative to each distinct iPad footprint, or how the design challenges for an iPad Mini are completely different from the design challenges for a 12.9 inch iPad Pro. No. Couldn't be that.Here we go again. Almost seems like Apple is throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks... And what is with all the weirdo sizes? Any pixel density in any size can be made now. So, if the mini iPad is going to stick around, then for crap sakes, just make ALL iPads "bezel free" and release 7, 9, 11, and 13" sizes, all with the same CPU, and just call them iPads. Done.
Why spread false informationThe price tag.
But honestly, it's just marketing.
Why does everyone care so much about the tiny bump? Especially the way they smoothed it over on the iPhone 7. Certainly I'd like a bit more battery life, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'd need to make the iPhone as thick as the camera module to achieve it.Agreed. I hope Apple find the "courage" to do the same for the iPhone!
You're right, it is funny how people misunderstand poorly written sentences.It's funny how no one gets the sarcasm.
Not all "significant" differences can be measured relatively. Sometimes an absolute measurement is the best metric.Having used several iPads for the past 3 years of both thicknesses: 6.1mm and 7.5mm, it's significant. It might just be a penny, but it's a 23% increase.
every iPad I have had has had a horrible home button. I said I will never buy one until they remove it.Well I will be interested to get this, especially if it comes without a home button. Less likely for repairs in the later years arising from a faulty mechanical home button...
Wow, does nobody understand physics? Isn't the whole point of this rumored new device to give people the option for a 9.7 inch footprint with more than an inch of extra real estate? How exactly would you propose that without making it a tiny bit thicker? Magic?
And if you are concerned about how it feels in your hand, you are way offbase looking to the 12.9 inch Pro for a solution. I own one and love it, but it is certainly a beast and not as easy or fun to use one-handed (or in non-desktop situations) as the 9.7 inch. Even if they make it a slight bit thinner, the additional length/width alone create extra leverage that make it more unwieldy than devices with smaller footprints. It's just math, man.
No offense, but I am amazed at the amount of whining and complaining that Apple users partake in over products that haven't even been announced or shipped, with no acknowledgement of how the necessities of space & time impact product design.
Not sure what your issue is. They've disregarded thinness before when coming out with new technology & features, with the first iPad Retina and the new Apple Watch series 2 being two of several such examples.
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Wow, you and all the other geniuses on this discussion board really seem to know what's best for Apple. Why make a single product bezel-free if you're not able to make all your products bezel-free, all at once? It probably has nothing to do with the size of individual components relative to each distinct iPad footprint, or how the design challenges for an iPad Mini are completely different from the design challenges for a 12.9 inch iPad Pro. No. Couldn't be that.
I think all you guys who seem to "know better" should band together and create a new company that will blow the morons at Apple away for good. I'm getting really tired of those jerks.
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Why does everyone care so much about the tiny bump? Especially the way they smoothed it over on the iPhone 7. Certainly I'd like a bit more battery life, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'd need to make the iPhone as thick as the camera module to achieve it.
Maybe they should come out with a fat iPhone that has a crappier camera to silence all this whining. As long as they continue to make one with a bump for people who value photography over simplistic symmetry, that'd be fine.
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You're right, it is funny how people misunderstand poorly written sentences.
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Not all "significant" differences can be measured relatively. Sometimes an absolute measurement is the best metric.
In this case, we are talking about such a small scale (7.5mm) that "23%" isn't really that big of a deal when it comes to interaction with 5-6', 100-200 lb. human beings. If the device were two inches thick, then a 23% increase would actually have a deleterious impact on usability.
Certainly, a 1.4mm increase in thickness isn't "nothing", but it's also nothing for so many people to carp about. The small absolute increase in thickness, despite it's relative 23% change, will easily be offset by the benefit of both the absolute and relative increase in screen real estate.
Re: Comment forum/disagreement. I am aware. Newsflash: Some people will disagree with you, too. Life goes on.
Re: Price. How long does a company have to keep listing new models at the same price as the old models? Apple has never pursued the economy model price point.
Re: 'Removing functionality.' I bet it wouldn't take a lot of searching to find historical evidence of people getting worked up when Apple forced people to use 3.5" floppy disks instead of 5.25" disks, and then again when they quit including the 3.5" drives. Superdrives take up a lot of space, and honestly, most people don't use them very much any more. People got worked up for a while when OSX (and all other software) quit shipping on physical media, too, but most people don't buy software in boxes any more. When they do, they find a card with a key code in the box, not a disk. It all comes over the internet now. I'll kind of miss the SD reader, but I can stick one in my camera case and not lose too much sleep. As for dongles in general, if I'm going to spend a lot on a new MBP, I'd rather have it loaded with 'forward compatible' ports and use dongles for backward compatibility rather than the other way around. This way, over time, you'll need fewer dongles, not more. Also, in a couple of years when you get some future external device that ports data at Thunderbolt 3's 40Gbps, you won't be throttling it through a dongle that adapts it back to your 5Gbs USB3 or (480Mbps USB2) legacy port.
Re: Black Friday. Are you kidding me?
Re: Hardware upgrades/upselling. Facilitating hardware upgrades has never been an Apple priority. The less swapping out of hardware, the fewer variables they have to anticipate in the OS. The fewer variables, the fewer crashes and compatibility issues. That has always been an Apple priority. Buy the best options you think you might need on the front end, and you won't have to keep spending money later swapping out parts. (This is one of those 'it doesn't function like Windows or Android' complaints. Endless hardware options and ongoing hardware upgrades equals 'freedom,' but at a cost of endless crashes and compatibility issues.)
My point is that all these things are consistent with Apple's longstanding SOP, and come straight from the mind of Steve Jobs. Feel free to disagree with that. Life goes on.
Right. That is at the heart of the issue. Apple has loosely redefined what the term "Pro" means. In the case of the iPad, it's the iPad "Creative" or "Artist" Pro.
These terms were established internally at Apple when Steve came back and clearly delineated Pro vs Consumer, in his infamous 4-square matrix.
But the issue is that lately the product line has become so restrictive and (primarily) consumer-oriented that Apple itself is going against its own Pro vs Consumer attributes within its product catalog. This is confusing everybody except consumers, who obviously don't care what "Pro" really does or should mean.
Maybe you shouldn't take the "Pro" moniker so literally. In Apple speak, it means a product that's more expensive vs the Non-Pro version.
every iPad I have had has had a horrible home button. I said I will never buy one until they remove it.
Gonna get this one too.
Fixed that for you
So radical new hardware, still runs a barely modified version of the OS from the iPhone, probably more expensive than the current version and the sales numbers go...
Some of us actually like that the iPad runs a mobile operating system and have been able to get meaningful work done precisely because it runs iOS, not despite it.![]()