With all due respect. Piss off, Apple.
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Apple Planning to Fight Proposed 'Right to Repair' Legislation
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There is no right to repair. The strikes me is some childish manifesto rhetoric like iFixit. Which in and of itself is an insult to people who have lived under oppressive regimes with real manifestos .
You can choose to buy Apple's products or not and they have no obligation to disclose anything about how they manufacture the products, make them easy to repair, or any other right to repair program.
Right to repair is like every other "right" these days. A childish nanny state knee jerk to use the force of government to take Apple's hard work and engineering brilliance and turn it over to Joe Shmoe because some some rich state congress has nothing better to do and is afraid to look at the real problems like rampant homelessness and traffic gridlock.
You can choose to buy Apple's products or not and they have no obligation to disclose anything about how they manufacture the products, make them easy to repair, or any other right to repair program.
Right to repair is like every other "right" these days. A childish nanny state knee jerk to use the force of government to take Apple's hard work and engineering brilliance and turn it over to Joe Shmoe because some some rich state congress has nothing better to do and is afraid to look at the real problems like rampant homelessness and traffic gridlock.
People think they want larger, modular, less durable devices so they can disassemble them more easily. Your post nailed it.
No one is stopping us from living in the past, but someone should have stopped you before you typed that nonsense. Can I suggest something? How about you go back and read the article again and get a better understanding. This has nothing to do with anything you're talking about. It has nothing to do with adhesives, smaller components, soldering, or anything like that. This is about making the repairable OEM components and repair manuals available to consumers and shops without having to go through the hassle of being an authorized dealer.
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Nailed what? His post is a clear indication he either didn't understand what he read or completely ignored it and supplanted it with an alternate reality. I don't think you understood either.
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Of course they are. Apple is as user hostile in this as they've ever been. There is no reason for Apple to be opposing this other than to make them the only place people will go to repair their Apple gear (which Apple will of course charge an arm and a leg for) and be yet another monopoly for them. I hope they lose this and lose this hard.
This would be helpful for my wife's iPhone 6 that is suffering from Touch Disease due to Apple's design choices and that 4 months out of warranty they won't touch unless I pay through the nose.
No, he nailed it. It's increasingly not possible for the home enthusiast to repair Apple products. I've replaced several iPhone displays in the past. But starting with the 7, I'm sure I don't want to sacrifice the water seal just to save a few bucks on repair, and as the products become even more tightly integrated, special tools or even disposability is likely. This is reality in 2017 and beyond, and no amount of legislation is going to bring us back to the time of the easily repairable plastic shell Handspring Treo, with screws showing and creaky, bulky cases. You can't want all the progress of the iPhone and want the past at the same time. And only government force could even consider such idiocy.
Legislation like this mostly just protects stagnant businesses, and in turn, elects those politicians or special interests that gain those votes.
Some small indie repair shop has no way to keep up with fast-moving innovation. Of course, companies intentionally try to close the system, but that's called the free market. Heard of patents? Develop something only you control and create a demand. More power to you. Property rights? IP rights? Those are the thinks that drive the economy, and yet we crap on them with stuff like this.
Apple and others partner with vendors for repair, and there is a cost in training and tooling. The vendors pay for that. They receive training, and that is the cost of doing business for them. They buy the tools necessary for repair.
Who do you think pays for this "Right to Repair" when a law is passed that forces companies to train the public for free, maintain and develop manuals? We are.
We are all going to pay a little extra on every device. The only difference now is, you pay even if you don't repair anything. The taxpayer pays for more bureaucrats to enforce this, and more analysts to determine if the manuals are sufficient, if the components are too cheap, or too hard for Joe Schmo to repair, and class action lawsuits claiming to follow, and on and on.
We will pay for all the above, the consumer and the taxpayer. No way around that.
It's just what we need, more people telling other people what they have to do in a "free market."
We are so quick to jump at these headlines; I hope with everything going on in the world, we would try to see what the actual effect will be when we do some of these things.
I'm not pro apple or big business, I just don't think this stuff works, and worse, it opens the door to a world of other nasty legislation.
Bottom line, you don't like Apple, no one put a gun to your head, but please don't pass another silly law that will likely just do the opposite of what it states.
Here is the gist of stuff like this, even if not exactly this. What a mess this would make: http://repair.org/policy/
Some small indie repair shop has no way to keep up with fast-moving innovation. Of course, companies intentionally try to close the system, but that's called the free market. Heard of patents? Develop something only you control and create a demand. More power to you. Property rights? IP rights? Those are the thinks that drive the economy, and yet we crap on them with stuff like this.
Apple and others partner with vendors for repair, and there is a cost in training and tooling. The vendors pay for that. They receive training, and that is the cost of doing business for them. They buy the tools necessary for repair.
Who do you think pays for this "Right to Repair" when a law is passed that forces companies to train the public for free, maintain and develop manuals? We are.
We are all going to pay a little extra on every device. The only difference now is, you pay even if you don't repair anything. The taxpayer pays for more bureaucrats to enforce this, and more analysts to determine if the manuals are sufficient, if the components are too cheap, or too hard for Joe Schmo to repair, and class action lawsuits claiming to follow, and on and on.
We will pay for all the above, the consumer and the taxpayer. No way around that.
It's just what we need, more people telling other people what they have to do in a "free market."
We are so quick to jump at these headlines; I hope with everything going on in the world, we would try to see what the actual effect will be when we do some of these things.
I'm not pro apple or big business, I just don't think this stuff works, and worse, it opens the door to a world of other nasty legislation.
Bottom line, you don't like Apple, no one put a gun to your head, but please don't pass another silly law that will likely just do the opposite of what it states.
Here is the gist of stuff like this, even if not exactly this. What a mess this would make: http://repair.org/policy/
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Didn't they own some patent for sonically welding aluminum together? They could just do that and then you'd need a dremel to get them open.
Fixability, maintainability, and upgradeability. These are areas where Apple has failed...by design. They want a stranglehold on both of these strictly for $$$. The trend has been snuffing out all user tinkering (e.g. iMac, MBP, iPhone, etc.). F Apple!!!
Remember that this proposed law doesn't only apply to Apple; there are plenty of other devices that don't have tiny tolerances etc.
As an example, I fixed my PS4 just yesterday for a total cost of $8.28. Documentation is fairly readily available thanks to sites like iFixit, and fortunately I didn't need to track down a nearly-impossible-to-find proprietary component. But if a different, proprietary, part had failed then it'd be a different story. In addition to the cost of the part, I'd also have had to pay the labour, postage etc for what may be a trivial fix.
Obviously a PS4 and an iPhone are completely different when it comes to size, tolerance, etc. But it seems that this law would apply to all "electronic devices" so it's not a good idea to only consider iPhones when protesting (or supporting!) this proposal.
Nope, you can buy a modern phone with replaceable parts. It might not be as thin as the current iPhone but thinness would be the only dividing factor between a modern phone and your 1999 example.
Printed on molecular level... yeah maybe one day but do you realize how far away from that we still are?
But of course, nobody is stopping you from believing in a hypothetical future as well as believing everything Apple tells you is right.
I agree these are more important problems for most people, but you can devote enough attention to those and still find a "right to repair" bill worthwile.
You think they haven't already? if random Chinese companies can get a hold off original car parts easily…….oh, they already have and the implications for dud car parts are far more profound than they would be for any phone no matter who makes it.
You are far nicer then I could ever be to people who very obviously commented (without reading the article of course) only because they saw apple being bashed and couldn't handle it
They have a right only to do what is within the law. I hope it changes. That is what society is, sometimes we like it sometimes we don’t. The law is usually intended to protect small companies and the consumer/individual or those who have less.
Apple has declared my Mac Pro 3,1 as Obsolete. That is a ton of malarkey. Just because they want to force me into buying a new computer every few years. They have done their best to prevent me from running macOS Sierra on it. Why? Their party line is that my machine is too slow to run it. Yet I have installed Sierra on this Mac and it runs just as well as on my newer 2012 Mac Mini. Their opposition to these Repair Laws is simply a money-grab.
I have this Mac Pro 3,1 (yes, that's an "Early 2008" model) running Sierra. It has 32 GB of RAM; a USB 3.1 card, 4 Hard Drives and a Dual-layer DVD Drive in it. I can connect an M-Disc Blu-ray drive via USB at will. There is no reason why this machine is considered Obsolete other than Apple not wanting to devote some inventory space to keeping parts on-hand and their "need" for me to spend money on a newer model. Oh, wait! They don't even HAVE a decent newer model of the Mac Pro! The "Diaper Pail" models they brought out in 2013 are hardly worthy of being called a 'Pro' machine. And those haven't been significantly updated since then. (I think they had a CPU speed-bump since 2013 but I may be mistaken on that.) I'm 98% sure they have neither USB 3.1 nor Thunderbolt 3.
At this rate, my next new computer is all-too-likely to be a DIY Windows 10 powerhouse that leaves Apple's "Best" option in the dust in terms of CPU, Graphics and expandability. And that is truly a shame! Apple once stood as the most customizable of computers but that is certainly not the case any more. They have become "... the new Microsoft ..." in terms of what options they offer. And expandability has become a dirty word to them.
And I never thought I'd ever write a post like this on a public forum!
I have this Mac Pro 3,1 (yes, that's an "Early 2008" model) running Sierra. It has 32 GB of RAM; a USB 3.1 card, 4 Hard Drives and a Dual-layer DVD Drive in it. I can connect an M-Disc Blu-ray drive via USB at will. There is no reason why this machine is considered Obsolete other than Apple not wanting to devote some inventory space to keeping parts on-hand and their "need" for me to spend money on a newer model. Oh, wait! They don't even HAVE a decent newer model of the Mac Pro! The "Diaper Pail" models they brought out in 2013 are hardly worthy of being called a 'Pro' machine. And those haven't been significantly updated since then. (I think they had a CPU speed-bump since 2013 but I may be mistaken on that.) I'm 98% sure they have neither USB 3.1 nor Thunderbolt 3.
At this rate, my next new computer is all-too-likely to be a DIY Windows 10 powerhouse that leaves Apple's "Best" option in the dust in terms of CPU, Graphics and expandability. And that is truly a shame! Apple once stood as the most customizable of computers but that is certainly not the case any more. They have become "... the new Microsoft ..." in terms of what options they offer. And expandability has become a dirty word to them.
And I never thought I'd ever write a post like this on a public forum!
Do you have the source for this? Cause yeah, that is pretty retarded, but I can't imagine some lawyer actually using that defense.
Idiotic.
You already have the right to repair your device. You can do whatever you want with it. Run it over with a car, throw it in the microwave, whatever.
This is about trying to force Apple to sell things they don't want to sell. How can a government compel a company to sell something? Seems ridiculous to me.
Using phrasing like "right to repair" is disingenuous.
You already have the right to repair your device. You can do whatever you want with it. Run it over with a car, throw it in the microwave, whatever.
This is about trying to force Apple to sell things they don't want to sell. How can a government compel a company to sell something? Seems ridiculous to me.
Using phrasing like "right to repair" is disingenuous.
With the enormous variety of words in the English language, would it be too much to ask you to find a less offensive term? (And yes, it is offensive.) I'm certain that "stupid", "foolish", "unfathomable", or any of a dozen other words could convey your point without the stigma associated with that other term.
Thank you.
In all fairness, I don't want either of those things (until there aren't tradeoffs associated with them).
Lol, that was entertaining.