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4.7" is the max size you could hope for on an SE with absolutely no bezels, assuming maintaining 16:9. So I don't know if that counts as ~5" to you. Closer to 4.5, isn't it?

Quite possible (I didn't run the numbers), but I was intentionally not thinking about it from the perspective of limiting the aspect ratio to 16:9. In any case, I think that Apple will eventually offer an edge-to-edge ~5" screen. The article mentions 5.28", which if it proves to be true, and also if we are indeed talking about "bezel-less" phones for the entire 2018 range (admittedly a still very speculative point), would probably yield something close enough to iPhone SE size to be an effective replacement for that phone. Such a phone might be slightly wider than an iPhone SE (but for that matter perhaps slightly shorter too, depending on screen AR), but it should be close enough to serve as a device that's either just as easily pocketable as an iPhone SE or very nearly so.

Also I know a lot of people want to get rid of bezels on iPhones which makes sense but I argue not so on the SE. A bigger screen (despite being the same size body) will make it harder to use one-handed, particularly swiping from the screen top and bottom edges. And the main benefit of the SE sized iPhone is being able to easily use it one-handed.

Though you are correct in your point about one handed use, I suspect that for most users the draw to the iPhone SE is primarily the size of the device with usability benefits of the smaller screen being of lesser concern. It is true that some value easy one-handed use, but I don't think that population is big enough to keep an iPhone with a 4" screen around indefinitely.

Speaking only for myself, I switched from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone SE because I wanted a smaller device. It would have been even better if I didn't have to give up the bigger screen to make that change.
 
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Where are all the complainers about OLED now? Back when Samsung used it and Apple didn't there was a lot of resistance... now people are drinking the Apple kool-aid again it seems, as I predicted.

Who says Apple is going to use OLED, we don't know yet.
Who says this OLED tech is the same as Samsungs Amoled, might as well be licensed from LG, which is superior to Amoled.
 
Why asking yourself question you don't have the answer....just buy a samsung already, no need of waste other people time.
I am not saying I want the Samsung my question is hardware value. The Samsung can do oled for 750 why would I be paying 1000 for that what will apple add to this phone to close the gap. If it's just oled I will just get the normal plus model. I hope for that 1000 dollars I am getting something compelling because the market value for an entry-level oled is not 1000 as already seen in the industry. I don't mind paying a premium but it has to be within reason and I don't want to pay extra to loose Touch ID.
 
I'm still not sold on OLED displays due to burn-in issues. The fact that Samsung, who has been using OLED displays for several years now, still has to do things like slightly move around UI features to avoid burn-in tells me that OLED durability, though improved, is still far too low. There's no way that Apple has somehow sourced superior displays from what Samsung is using, so I'll be sitting this year out to see what kind of display issues there are, if any.
We have terrible image retention on all our 2012 iMacs at work. Ive been using OLED display phones since the Note 4 and I've not had burn-in once.
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And please, the average person cannot tell the difference between OLED & LED, nor will they ever know.

If you are blind, yes.... OLED black levels are a very visable improvement over LED.
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What happened to Apple's investment in Micro LED? Nobody talks about that anymore.

Also, Apple displays usually have the most accurate calibration. How is that going to work with OLED? OLED displays on phones historically have blown out contrast and color saturation.
Thats just plain wrong. The last few generations of Samsung flagships have had the most accurate displays on the market. They just come setup out of the box on the Adaptive setting which bumps up the colours.
 
I'm still not sold on OLED displays due to burn-in issues. The fact that Samsung, who has been using OLED displays for several years now, still has to do things like slightly move around UI features to avoid burn-in tells me that OLED durability, though improved, is still far too low. There's no way that Apple has somehow sourced superior displays from what Samsung is using, so I'll be sitting this year out to see what kind of display issues there are, if any.

Voice of reason. I never purchase any of apples first edition anything. We won't get touch ID embedded in the display this year, which will be worked out by 2018 and finally released in the new models
 
Why Apple come so late to the OLED technology?

They were investing in an alternative technology (to OLED) years ago... A definitive failure?

No body has told this story yet...

It is a shame how old iPhones look compared to Samsung hardware...

The iPhone 8 at more than $1,000 for a piece of hardware similar (but one year later) than the Galaxy 8 is ridiculous.
iPhone is late to OLED party because there no OLED panel manufacturers that can produce displays required (Qty) by Apple, Apple sells only 2 models of iPhones and volumes are huge compared to other manufacturers.

It is a shame how old iPhones look compared to Samsung hardware...
Other than display iPhone will beat Samsung Galaxy in every other hardware, unless you think Octa core processor 6GB RAM means better hardware.
 
I predict that touch ID will be embedded in the power button since the power button is doubled in size on all the iPhone 8 dummies. The facial scanning feature will also be released but as a beta, similar to portrait mode on the 7 plus.
 
Where are all the complainers about OLED now? Back when Samsung used it and Apple didn't there was a lot of resistance... now people are drinking the Apple kool-aid again it seems, as I predicted.
Technology matures over time & companies like Samsung & LG who manufacture displays resolve Reliability & Quality issues over time ? I am sure OLED panels that Apple is using are not from 4 years ago.
 
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Here’s how this ridiculous article reads:

“There is currently a HUGE shortage of OLED screen availability at the level Apple needs for the 2017 iPhone Edition. Even if Samsung’s new “biggest OLED factory ever” produced solely for Apple; it’s a bit unclear how they’d keep up with worldwide sales. Despite all this... we make the bold & unsubstantiated claim that Apple will unexpectedly come out with three new phones AGAIN next year; after this year’s weird exception of three phones.
Further, all across the models- from low end to high end, they plan to include the most expensive & most constrained component.”

Ummmm....
How can anyone read this bs w/ a straight face??
 
We have terrible image retention on all our 2012 iMacs at work. Ive been using OLED display phones since the Note 4 and I've not had burn-in once.

Though not "normal" as Apple once tried to claim it was, image retention is a temporary issue that affects some LCD screens; burn-in is a permanent issue that affects all OLED displays, whether you or even a majority of people have experienced it or not. I happen to know of someone with a year-old Galaxy S6 Edge that has various icons permanently etched into the display along with the status bar and other random UI doodads. Anecdotal much like your example, but just pointing out that OLED technology isn't perfect- yet.

Voice of reason. I never purchase any of apples first edition anything. We won't get touch ID embedded in the display this year, which will be worked out by 2018 and finally released in the new models

Yeah, it's always good to be cautious with newly revised product lines. I'm generally an early adopter, but I'll definitely be taking the cautious road this year because the flagship iPhone appears to be radically different. Honestly, my iPhone 7 Plus with iOS 10.3.2 is the most polished and refined device I've ever used- I'm in no rush for something new.
 
Anecdotal much like your example, but just pointing out that OLED technology isn't perfect- yet.
Neither is LCD/LED, nothing is perfect. However OLED has more upsides and is the superior tech overall. Burn-in is a non issue if you are aware of it, Plasma tv's had burn-in aswell but they had a better picture then any LED panel.
 
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Of course they will. This year it'll be the iPhone 8/8S with LCD screens, and the "iPhone Edition 2017" with the fancy notched OLED screen. Next year, the iPhone 9/9S will get the OLED screens, and the "iPhone Edition 2018" will still have it too, obviously.
 
Neither is LCD/LED, nothing is perfect. However OLED has more upsides and is the superior tech overall. Burn-in is a non issue if you are aware of it, Plasma tv's had burn-in aswell but they had a better picture then any LED panel.

I agree that overall OLED has more upside, but burn-in is a real sticking point for me. I just don't think you should have to be "aware" of how you use your phone display. Again, I've seen an OLED display basically destroyed by burn-in within a year's time, so I'm wary about buying a phone that has an OLED display.

I'm willing to take your word for it though, so hopefully my concerns prove to be wrong!
 
Oops! Poor sales for iPhone 8 in China lieu iPhone 9. Tim Cook must love these rumors and speculation so much. :D #investorgate
 
Hopefully this translates to OLED models not starting at $1000. I am definitely looking to upgrade (6s plus needs a new battery, at the very least), but as not too keen on dropping $1000 on a phone.

Of course this may also mean sacrificing edge to edge, so that is a potential concern. I wil say that this about as excited as I've been about an iPhone launch. The 7 just didn't impress this year, the first year I haven't upgraded. A lot to look forward to and hopefully that includes the price tag.

Honestly, oled and (near) edge to edge screen with iPhone 7 innards would be enough for me to make the leap, perhaps with a camera spec bump for that cherry on top. I don't feel we are moving leaps and bounds with performance (the 7 is excellent on paper but my wife still isn't getting anything done faster than I am on my 6s plus, therefore the specs there don't matter to me much) abymore. Screen technology is where I feel my phone can be improved at this point.
 
Quite possible (I didn't run the numbers), but I was intentionally not thinking about it from the perspective of limiting the aspect ratio to 16:9. In any case, I think that Apple will eventually offer an edge-to-edge ~5" screen. The article mentions 5.28", which if it proves to be true, and also if we are indeed talking about "bezel-less" phones for the entire 2018 range (admittedly a still very speculative point), would probably yield something close enough to iPhone SE size to be an effective replacement for that phone. Such a phone might be slightly wider than an iPhone SE (but for that matter perhaps slightly shorter too, depending on screen AR), but it should be close enough to serve as a device that's either just as easily pocketable as an iPhone SE or very nearly so.



Though you are correct in your point about one handed use, I suspect that for most users the draw to the iPhone SE is primarily the size of the device with usability benefits of the smaller screen being of lesser concern. It is true that some value easy one-handed use, but I don't think that population is big enough to keep an iPhone with a 4" screen around indefinitely.

Speaking only for myself, I switched from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone SE because I wanted a smaller device. It would have been even better if I didn't have to give up the bigger screen to make that change.

Oh I see, that's where we differ. I think the main advantage of the SE size is one-handed use and I assumed most think like me. Who knows, I could be wrong.
 
Oh I see, that's where we differ. I think the main advantage of the SE size is one-handed use and I assumed most think like me. Who knows, I could be wrong.

I honestly don't know either way. In any event, there is anecdotally strong demand for a device with an iPhone SE footprint and an "edge-to-edge" screen, going by the "likes" to my first post in this thread as well as the number of similar comments I see from others.
 
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