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The major difference between "our" guesses and theirs is that they get paid very well for their guesses. Ridicule them all we want, but they are making money for something that we do for free.

And some of them are also 100% correct time and time again..

So we already know what the iPhone X will look like, it's design, and that it will ditch Touch ID. Now with these next iPhone rumours, I will imagine they'll ditch Touch ID also as that's how Apple does it. It won't support two types of technology, and has obviously decided not to bother with fingerprint scanners on the back, power button or underneath the screen.
 
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I agree that phones have got to the plateau point. There's only so much that you can do with them in design and shape.
Apple is moving it looks like to the minimalistic bezel phase. Then I think we're just going to be in for nothing but spec boost for a while.

I think the next step for phones will be geared toward AR/VR type accessories. A way for your phone to talk to a set of glasses that don't look sci fi and can talk your phone wireless with very latency. I think that's where Apple is headed with the AR Kit. Imagine sitting at your cleaned off desk or kitchen table. Putting on a pair of AR glasses and playing a game like Command and Conquer. The battlefield is placed on your table in 3D space, men moving, rockets flying in the air.

For VR using your phone as the screen and some nice headset sort of like what Samsung did.

Outside of that. Maybe battery tech. Getting the same battery life into something smaller,thinner and weighing less.

That being said. I'm not sure how much more big changes we can expect to see in the design of cell phones.
 
What happened to Apple's investment in Micro LED? Nobody talks about that anymore.

Micro LED is the Liquid Metal of Apple fanboy display dreams. In other words, don't look for it soon, and it's not what you think it is. I don't even think its brightness advantages from several years ago still apply.

Also, Apple displays usually have the most accurate calibration. How is that going to work with OLED? OLED displays on phones historically have blown out contrast and color saturation.

OLEDs can be calibrated to be accurate as well. In fact, didn't some Samsung displays beat the iPhone LCD a year or so ago in color accuracy?

Touch ID works flawlessly in the dark. It has zero issue with skin tones.

TouchID also fails with gloves, sweaty fingers, bricklayer's hands, dirty hands, etc.

Are you saying that Apple has invented a magical front facing camera that will be able to work as flawlessly as Touch ID does in any lighting condition imaginable with all possible skin tones? I have no problem believing that Apple has tech they are working on internally that's ahead of the competition, but this would be leaps and bounds more advanced than anything on the market today or expected to be released in the near future. We may see it one day. Just not in 2017.

What makes you think that requires a breakthrough? Have you read the reviews of Microsoft's version?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2953...-windows-10s-windows-hello-it-just-works.html
 
And some of them are also 100% correct time and time again..

So we already know what the iPhone X will look like, it's design, and that it will ditch Touch ID. Now with these next iPhone rumours, I will imagine they'll ditch Touch ID also as that's how Apple does it. It won't support two types of technology, and has obviously decided not to bother with fingerprint scanners on the back, power button or underneath the screen.

A lot of people, including professionals, don't believe that touch id is gone. You say we "already know," but we don't actually know yet.
 
This is the problem they're going to have if indeed they do release and iPhone 7s, 7s Plus and '8' this year. You'll have this 3 iPhone line up that'll need updating every year, and at some point they're going to have to bring it back down to two. Is it really worth it for the sake of this 'special' iPhone this year? At what point does it just become a normal iPhone? They can't have one special iPhone that's better than the other two, every year.

My guess:

2017 - iPhone 7S, iPhone 7S Plus & iPhone Pro

2018 - iPhone Mini (4 inch), iPhone (5 inch) & iPhone Pro (5.8 inch)

Probably won't happen but it would be cool
 
Why Apple come so late to the OLED technology?

They were investing in an alternative technology (to OLED) years ago... A definitive failure?

No body has told this story yet...

It is a shame how old iPhones look compared to Samsung hardware...

The iPhone 8 at more than $1,000 for a piece of hardware similar (but one year later) than the Galaxy 8 is ridiculous.


Wow, where to begin, so I guess I'll just point out that you are misunderstanding the state of OLED and other technologies relative to mass production. Many people don't realize the difficulty that is inherent in a new technology such as OLED; hint: there's a reason that there is pretty much just one company in the business right now, and why, even with billions of dollars, a huge company like LG will take a couple of years to be producing OLED panels for Apple. When you hear or read about a new technology, keep in mind that Apple sells over two hundred million phones a year. That means that they have to not only ensure the technology itself meets their very high standards, but then they need to wait for suppliers to ramp up and develop whole new production lines. Much easier if you only need a small quantity, but for massive numbers like Apple needs, it's a whole new ballgame.
 
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A lot of people, including professionals, don't believe that touch id is gone. You say we "already know," but we don't actually know yet.

You again? Post some links to prove your statement please. I mean KGI has a pretty solid reputation for being 100% accurate especially 2 months from launch. So please post your evidence that claims the opposite.....
 
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Why Apple come so late to the OLED technology?
Because the manufacturing process is inefficient and there is more demand than there is supply. And the 2 big players in the AMOLED space are Samsung and LG, who also make their own smartphones so they prioritize their own smartphones for the limited supply of the AMOLED panels.

As the manufacturing process improves, they will be able to make enough to supply Apple too.
 
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You again? Post some links to prove your statement please. I mean KGI has a pretty solid reputation for being 100% accurate especially 2 months from launch. So please post your evidence that claims the opposite.....
I'm not in Court. I don't have to prove anything to you. We will all find out the answer in a few months and my point is only
that we don't know anything for certain yet (just think about all the reports that Touch ID is embedded in the back). Even Gruber, who is often right, disbelieves the rumor that there is no touchid.
 
The bad option would be Apple trying to go with an 'iphone pro' and having an even more expensive tier following the iphone 8..
This would be the best option for Apple's profits.
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The problem for Apple has never been waiting for OLED to mature.
It's finding a supplier that can produce the huge, enormous, gigantic amount of panels it needs to satisfy demand.
Yep and the 2 candidates - LG and Samsung - produce their own competing smartphones. And now Google has invested heavily in LG's AMOLED division so that leaves Samsung.
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Where are all the complainers about OLED now? Back when Samsung used it and Apple didn't there was a lot of resistance... now people are drinking the Apple kool-aid again it seems, as I predicted.
Totally. The same will happen when iPhones get wireless and fast charging. Right now the iSheep say it is a useless feature. They will pee themselves with delight when they get it in an iPhone.
 
This year is the first year I’m doing the apple payment plan thing because it’s too unclear what’ll happen next year so I don’t want to lock myself in for 2 years
 
I will outright say I'm willing to pay whatever price for a bezel less OLED iPhone.
So will a lot of other people and the problem will be that they can't supply enough of them. Those saying $1200-$1500 is too much for a smartphone are just jealous that they can't afford it.
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It is mature enough from the first day... years ago. There is nothing wrong with the OLED displays of Apple's competitors.
Yep, my Galaxy Nexus that I bought in 2011 has a fantastic AMOLED display. Never had any burn in.
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No it never was.
Not true. My 2011 Galaxy Nexus has a beautiful display, no burn in. I still have it.

This is typical iSheep BS. Just like saying you don't want wireless or fast charging and then when you finally get it, you will pee your pants in delight.
 
I'm not in Court. I don't have to prove anything to you. We will all find out the answer in a few months and my point is only
that we don't know anything for certain yet (just think about all the reports that Touch ID is embedded in the back). Even Gruber, who is often right, disbelieves the rumor that there is no touchid.

Haha so yet again you know nothing.....
I heard my mates cousins mum tell me.... and I don't have to prove it!!

If you want anyone to take 'your' word over KGI Securities then you will have to post some proof.
 
And please, the average person cannot tell the difference between OLED & LED, nor will they ever know.
Totally false. Anyone except the blind can immediately see the difference.
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I'd say there are more people wearing gloves than wearing motorcycle helmets. Point being, yes, motorcycle helmets are an argument against using only facial recognition but not a decisive one. If motorcycle helmets (or any kind of face covering, from surgical mask to ski mask) present the only major case when facial recognition definitely doesn't work, then that won't stop Apple from relying on facial recognition only, the same way fingerprint recognition not working with gloves did not stop them from relying on fingerprint recognition only.
Exactly, touch ID doesn't work with gloves yet people still love it.
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Apple is going to milk AMOLED as a premium-only feature for as long as it can.
Yep that's a smart business move. And all those iSheep who went on and on about LCD being better when iPhones didn't have it are going to eat crow.
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While I understand what you are saying, the plateaus of "good, better, best" exist in homes and cars, etc., and have for quite some time now. Going back to when Apple launched the iPhone 5C, it became apparent that Apple was going to offer tiers based on affordability. IMO, that is not likely going to change.
Exactly. The only thing that is going to change is that the top tier is not going to start at $650 any more, that will be where the middle tier starts.
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This year is the first year I’m doing the apple payment plan thing because it’s too unclear what’ll happen next year so I don’t want to lock myself in for 2 years
Not many carriers offer subsidized phones on 2 year contracts anymore anyhow.
 
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Anyone mocked up an SE sized phone without bezels yet? You can have my money now for that phone

I too would love this. When I travel I still often pop the sim out of my 7 and into my 5S so that I can have a smaller phone and less device to deal with. It is nice to have the smaller size on daily use as well, as often I simply tether to it with my iPad Pro when I need a bigger screen.

But, to each their own, my use case appears to be in the minority
 
Just launch 2 phones for 2017 - 8 or 7s (whatever you want to call it), with a full screen with fingerprint ID and no nonsense ... Forget 2018, 2019, 2020...
 
Exactly. The only thing that is going to change is that the top tier is not going to start at $650 any more, that will be where the middle tier starts.

But what will the bottom tier consist of? In 2019 you'll have the rumored three-size 8S AMOLED models from 2018 as the second-tier phones. Unless Apple continues to invest in lower-cost LCD device development beyond the 7S there won't be anything below that. Will Apple simply abandon the $500 market and only build $700+ devices?
 
Whaha, facial recognition !!
New chances for Socio-Marxism, where all the world's capuchon wearers form a virtual pool with ubiquitous access to the same singular, big, collective ApplePay wallet (that is the collective of all their micro-purses together)
 
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Why Apple come so late to the OLED technology?

They were investing in an alternative technology (to OLED) years ago... A definitive failure?

No body has told this story yet...

It is a shame how old iPhones look compared to Samsung hardware...

The iPhone 8 at more than $1,000 for a piece of hardware similar (but one year later) than the Galaxy 8 is ridiculous.

Because there were many issues with OLED production on Apple's level. Yes, super easy for Samsung or the like to make the number they need, but it is much different at the scale of Apple's. In addition, there have been issues with color accuracy, over-saturation, burn in, etc. I think Apple waited until the technology matured a bit before jumping in on it. They don't feel the need to be first to the market just so they can raise their hand. iPhone screens are praised yearly for how accurate they are and most people are looking forward to an Apple developed OLED now that the technology is ready. I am sure you'll be impressed with what they come up with if you are a fan of iOS.
 
Hopefully one of them is an iPhone SE-sized model with a ~5" screen. If the screen is edge-to-edge so that it covers the entire front of the device, this should be possible.
this times a thousand, having owned an SE for almost a year now I shutter at the thought of going to a bigger device again.
 
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