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Apple Planning USB-C iMac and Faster Notebooks in 2017, Mac Pro and Touch Bar Magic Keyboard in Question
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Who cares about "radical new designs". The outrage isn't about that. This guy has no clue. A 2011 or 2013 or 2015 MacBook Pro with more RAM, processor and battery life is enough. This isn't about new designs, but improved functionality.
I have been a Mac user since the Mac Classic (and speaking of Mac User I used to read that … back when there were magazines!) I’ve owned more Macs than you can shake a stick at. My last 2 macs have been iMacs, both of which burned themselves out due to heat. I love OSX and am not a fan of Windows OS. I do two things, I’m a writer and do a lot of compositing in Photoshop. And as much as I like Macs, I’m tired of self-immolating iMacs.
I’d love a desktop Mac that I could use with my very nice monitors. I don’t want to spend 3K+ for a MacPro and I’m not sure the fastest MacMini (which looks like this):
As a result, I’m finding it hard not to consider the HP Z2 Mini G3 which has this:
I played with Windows 10 Creator on a Surface Studio and it was not as awful as I thought it would be. Actually it wasn’t bad. Actually, I could get used to it. Actually, I’m trying to think of a reason not to switch and get the Z2.
And am I the only one who would not be surprised if the ghost of Gil Amelio (yeah, I know, he’s not dead) occupies Tim and Apple continues making phones, pads and watches and licenses out the MAC OS to LG and lets them manufacture computers?
Apple has been building a monument to itself and everything has gone down the crapper since then. History lesson - see Roman Empire.
I’d love a desktop Mac that I could use with my very nice monitors. I don’t want to spend 3K+ for a MacPro and I’m not sure the fastest MacMini (which looks like this):
- 3.0GHz Intel Core i7 Dual-Core (Haswell)
- 16GB of 1600 MHz LPDDR3 RAM
- 512GB PCIe-Based Flash Storage
- Intel Iris Graphics
- 802.11ac/a/b/g/n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0
- Thunderbolt 2, USB 3.0, HDMI Ports
- SDXC Card Slot
- Gigabit Ethernet Port
- Audio In, Headphone Jacks
As a result, I’m finding it hard not to consider the HP Z2 Mini G3 which has this:
- 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7-6700 Quad-Core
- 16GB of 2400 MHz DDR4 RAM
- NVIDIA Quadro M620 Graphics Card (2GB)
- 512GB Z Turbo Drive G2 PCIe SSD
- 1 x Gigabit Ethernet Port
- 802.11ac Wi-Fi & Bluetooth 4.2
- 2 x USB 3.0 Type-C & 4 x USB 3.0 Type-A
- 4 x DisplayPort 1.2
- Windows 7 Pro + Windows 10 Pro License
I played with Windows 10 Creator on a Surface Studio and it was not as awful as I thought it would be. Actually it wasn’t bad. Actually, I could get used to it. Actually, I’m trying to think of a reason not to switch and get the Z2.
And am I the only one who would not be surprised if the ghost of Gil Amelio (yeah, I know, he’s not dead) occupies Tim and Apple continues making phones, pads and watches and licenses out the MAC OS to LG and lets them manufacture computers?
Apple has been building a monument to itself and everything has gone down the crapper since then. History lesson - see Roman Empire.
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Link the video. It's comedy gold everybody should watch. I almost farted laughing so hard first time I saw it
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I am so tired of excuse not to make computers in the US being unskilled workers. I am sure Apple could create a program to train the human resources it needs.. its just cheaper to hire someone in China. I don't even mind that they make stuff in China but stop blaming the work force. Clearly they should outsource their desktop computer designs to another computer company because Apple doesn't have the properly trained management in Cupertino.
When they say unskilled workers they mean people who will work 18 hours a day and not complain about it and suffer abuse/live in conditions that make suicide nets necessary on the outsides of the buildings. Oh did I mention they do it for a fraction of the cost?
Saying we don't have the "skills" is the ******** answer.
This seems to be the case...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
Apple is in disarray and apparently the only thing they can do is stockpiling cash - I feel sorry for professional Mac users, this is only the beginning of the **** show that awaits...
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This is exactly what I want. I am waiting for either a Mac Mini or an iMac. Since it looks like the Mac Mini is dead, I hope the next iMac is not super thin and much more expensive than the current one. Just give us updated internals and keep the current prices please.
Well, not really. I use both, keep track of all glitches, and have found very consistently that Windows 10 is now more reliable than macOS (by about 30% less glitches). Many of the longstanding problems with macOS have been left in the OS for YEARS. Windows 10 is also a far faster and less bloated OS, booting up on identical hardware in about a third of the time that macOS takes. As for the spying aspect, macOS is only marginally better than Windows. Apple's security policy is largely a marketing technique rather than anything real. If they were serious about privacy, they would be using client side encryption on iCloud, have their own search engine, and have a VPN built into the OS on ALL their devices - they don't.
Yay, a crappy update to the existing two year old model. I can't wait to pay $1000 more for it.
Sigh..
Sigh..
Well, at least SJ made sure computers were updated.
Not for $1.50 to $2.50 per hour there aren't. There aren't many skills required. Just insert parts, plug cables and drive screws. Then repeat hundreds or thousands of times per day. Once you build the muscle memory you just do it without thinking about it.
Finally somebody said it. Those jobs can't be moved to America because Americans will not work for the same money as the Chinese, and we're not talking 10% more, but 10 times more. The Sacred Margins would have to shrink very considerably – or prices go way up. Ain't gonna happen unless Trump instead of giving Apple tax relief (because Apple is very poor and needs to pay less taxes to survive) starts actively paying them the difference. It has nothing to do with skills and everything with money.
I don't know whether the Bloomberg article tells the truth, half-truth or is just bollocks. But it rings true to me. And when more and more people are voicing concern about Apple becoming a one product company, they respond by dropping products and focusing on iDevices MORE. Maybe it's my lack of understanding of how engineering works when I think Mac Pro could have very easily seen a simple spec bump three times in those three years. But I don't see how selling the same machine as three years ago at the same (or higher in many countries) price is the right thing to do to ensure maximum financial gain for the company.
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Exactly what the Bloomberg article that was only pieced for 1 paragraph stated.
Read the full article here and you'll find that the editor fully red most of the pain of Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook Pro users here on the words for 3yrs.
Bloomberg : How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists
How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
Even so the article is about desktops, all I wanted is a quad core in a 13" laptop. There is zero reason to upgrade my 2013 rMBP. 2016 have worse ports, no SD card reader, worse keyboard, worse battery, same speed!
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Apple dropped the quad core CPU in the last update and the GPU is totally out of date. All they need to do is release an update every 9 month and all is good.
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One can only guess but ai think they count the money..
I truly hope your post was sarcastic.
We are a 100 million people out of the workforce country now (worst since the 1970s).
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016...labor-force-and-thats-almost-certain-to-rise/
EXACTLY. It's so simple. I could not care LESS about the looks and still think the cMP was awesome.
Updated Xeon options, 128GB RAM options, lose the optical drives and make more drive bays, modern bus speeds, 4x TB3 ports, 10GbE ethernet, 4x USB3, and any damn 2x GPUs we want. UUUUGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
I know a lot of folks on here have been saying the same, but it's hard to look at it any other way. It just seems they're being purely business focussed - the iPhone / iPad has better margins and ships in higher volumes, so why waste time on the Mac? It sucks for those who have invested into the Mac desktop ecosystem and are now being left hanging
Really hope they release some killer new desktops in 2017.
Have a look:
Bloomberg : How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
Interviews with people familiar with Apple's inner workings reveal that the Mac is getting far less attention than it once did. They say the Mac team has lost clout with the famed industrial design group led by Jony Ive and the company's software team. They also describe a lack of clear direction from senior management, departures of key people working on Mac hardware and technical challenges that have delayed the roll-out of new computers.
While the Mac generates about 10 percent of Apple sales, the company can't afford to alienate professional designers and other business customers. After all, they helped fuel Apple's revival in the late 1990s. In a stinging critique, Peter Kirn, founder of a website for music and video creators, wrote: "This is a company with no real vision for what its most creative users actually do with their most advanced machines."
If more Mac users switch, the Apple ecosystem will become less sticky—opening the door to people abandoning higher-value products like the iPhone and iPad.
"This is a company with no real vision for what its most creative users actually do with their most advanced machines." [/QUOTE said:
I seriously don't understand why it is so difficult to keep the Macs up to date. They don't need total re-design that often, just keep the specs up to date every year.
Will go and have a read of that. Sounds like a pretty stinging article! To me, it already feels like they're already on the borderline if not having already crossed over in terms of alienating loyal professional customers.
Surely they have the money to retain these key individuals in the Mac teams, etc - it's Apple for christs sake. They're one of the richest tech companies in the world?! Unless of course the culture has become so unpleasant there, people are jumping ship regardless of financial incentive.
Agreed. I don't think people are expecting major overhauls year on year... just incremental improvements. A bump in storage for the same price, new / changed ports, etc. It actually makes it look like these products are valued and maintained by Apple.. not just neglected or left on the scrap heap!
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I agree that apple should focus on their idevices, but when you canabalize your mac teams and all you got to show for it is an iPad Air 3 and larger iPad along with a iPhone 6SS, that is a major failure in my opinion. They have gone from annual updates on macs and idevices to struggling to update the iPhone , while getting record profits, this is a leadership issue, my assumption is they have gone from a team with a chief to multiple chiefs .
My analogy I use at work, get two teams in two rooms and give them the same task to complete , team A has one senior and 5 juniors , team B has 6 seniors . Team A will finish the task while team B will still be in the planning stage. This is what apple has become now . Management are the problem, wasting the potential of the staff waiting to execute