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Mac Pro and China where there are skills for ambitious products. Are Americans not capable of that?

You mean the skill to work 7 days/week, 10+ hours/day looking through a magnifying glass? Problably ...and fortunately... not.

"vocational kind of skills", Mr. Cook?? Shame (again) on you!
 
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apple tv needs to be updated, and homeKit sucks and needs to be developed. I kind of feel that Apple makes ****** software too. All devices after update become slow and iphone 7 or new macbook pros are gimmick as hell.
Latest updates with messages and icons and kisses are pathetic and useless.
 
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I don't understand how moving Mac Pro production to Asia would allow for more ambitious products. All we're asking for are upgrades to the chips and I/O, not a coffee maker.

I believe Tim is LOL at us. What a great politician he would make!
 
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I agree that apple should focus on their idevices, but when you canabalize your mac teams and all you got to show for it is an iPad Air 3 and larger iPad along with a iPhone 6SS, that is a major failure in my opinion. They have gone from annual updates on macs and idevices to struggling to update the iPhone , while getting record profits, this is a leadership issue, my assumption is they have gone from a team with a chief to multiple chiefs .

My analogy I use at work, get two teams in two rooms and give them the same task to complete , team A has one senior and 5 juniors , team B has 6 seniors . Team A will finish the task while team B will still be in the planning stage. This is what apple has become now . Management are the problem, wasting the potential of the staff waiting to execute

Exactly! I completely agree and see the multiple chiefs issue.
Joswiak (is this his birth surname or something too similar to Wozniak for the comfort of old fans?) and Tchai both in charge of iPad and hardware Marketing.

hardware Marketing used to be Shiller's job. But Phil is hosting the iPhone 7/7+ ?! Was that not the job for His Hairness? (Apple enough with the executive staff nicknames put them to real work) now this guy is in charge of iOS and macOS (cause well innovation on the kernel level may have died with OSX) OSX was supposed to last 20yrs according to Jobs but didn't even last 16 (debuted in 2001 as beta).

Then Ive who decides what gets a design package for profits and what doesn't.

Is everyone at Apple using MBP and iMac's internally for hardware design and structure? Well with a good trainer on iTunes U and iPad for developers budding who knows maybe the future is iPads with servers run by Amazon in the cloud to do the real work and Pro keyboard pencil Magic Trackpad and Apple TV to project on home tv.
 
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iMac with nVidia 1080 please!

I'm sick of poor mobile GPU performance in Apple's hardware.
And their twisted marketing that "new Pro machine has 30% faster graphics than previous model".
If previous model was total crap then something 30% faster is still crap.
We don't need thinner, we need FAAAASTER!

Whatever they will come up with - it will be hard to beat Microsoft Studio.
Especially with ease of accessibility (replaceable drives, yay) and tilting feature which really matches touchscreen style of work.
 
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Well, not really. I use both, keep track of all glitches, and have found very consistently that Windows 10 is now more reliable than macOS (by about 30% less glitches). Many of the longstanding problems with macOS have been left in the OS for YEARS. Windows 10 is also a far faster and less bloated OS, booting up on identical hardware in about a third of the time that macOS takes. As for the spying aspect, macOS is only marginally better than Windows. Apple's security policy is largely a marketing technique rather than anything real. If they were serious about privacy, they would be using client side encryption on iCloud, have their own search engine, and have a VPN built into the OS on ALL their devices - they don't.
My experience is exactly the opposite. Overall I find macOS as with OS X before it to be more responsive. True Windows 10 performs well on Hardware specifically developed to run it but Windows 10 has negatively impacted many a Windows 7/Windows 8.1 Laptops. This most prevalent when updating to the 1607 Windows 10 Anniversary Update where performance takes a dramatic hit.
It is not unreasonable to expect a mainstream release to run well on a run of the mill machine typically with a Intel Celeron/i3 CPU with 4GB RAM however with in the case of Windows 10 in many cases it simply does not perform.
 
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I seriously don't understand why it is so difficult to keep the Macs up to date. They don't need total re-design that often, just keep the specs up to date every year.

They need the time to redesign the outer casing so that it has less port holes.
 
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iMac with nVidia 1080 please!

I'm sick of poor mobile GPU performance in Apple's hardware.
And their twisted marketing that "new Pro machine has 30% faster graphics than previous model".
If previous model was total crap then something 30% faster is still crap.
We don't need thinner, we need FAAAASTER!

Whatever they will come up with - it will be hard to beat Microsoft Studio.
Especially with ease of accessibility (replaceable drives, yay) and tilting feature which really matches touchscreen style of work.

People are getting really hyped about the Surface Studio. Let's be honest, I think the only reason is because it's a really unexpectedly neat piece of design from Microsoft - like they're really putting out interesting stuff all of a sudden. But the system has plenty of limitations in terms of specification, and isn't exactly a powerhouse.
 
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It is a total shame that Apple can take a great product line and kill it off by simply ignoring it. My next laptop will not be a Mac, and once I switch to Ubuntu or Windows, I won't care as much about an iPhone or iPad. Seems like a bad marketing move to me, but hey...they make so much money on phones they clearly don't care. Right now, any way.

Tim Cook = the modern John Scully.

5 years ago, Sculley still had this rotten Apple CEO aura, but things have changed in the recent years.
Right now, we have a CEO that makes Sculley look like a visionary genius.
 
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More ports = More flexibility.

In my case the perfect mix would be Firewire 800, USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt.
I'd be fine if the laptop was as is but kept the SD card and magsafe. The macbook pro is an utter disappointment.
 
Mac Pro and China where there are skills for ambitious products. Are Americans not capable of that?
The thing is we invented these skills and brought china to power by training them in secret i might add.
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Tim Cook is so full of crap. The performance of Apple desktops has always been rubbish. Only the Mac Pro and seriously upgraded iMac even come close to a computer with decent specs. The iMac line is made largely out of LAPTOP PARTS, and suffers from overheating due to Apple's obsession with thinness.
People could speak with their wallets and shut these companies off, if so they would listen.
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It failed because it was built in usa so think we wont get a refresh until they fixed the overheating design and poor margins on having US workers with poor electronic mass production skills. So when they have china manufacturing ready it probably come again. They sold/sell way to little of them to care to much
You fail to see the real issue here and blame the nation that invented the computer! What has china invented!? The Mac Pro was designed by Apple! That's the issue that they caused! It sounds like to me you are china lobbing.
 
More ports = More flexibility.

In my case the perfect mix would be Firewire 800, USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt.

No way we are ever going to see a new mac released with what Apple considers to be legacy ports.
The desktop productline will consist of iMac and iMac only with an array of USB-C ports and all parts soldered, non-user accesible/replacable.

They are moving to merge the product lines, or actually to fold the desktop line into ios machines. It might take a few more generations, but sadly that is what is going to happen.
 
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Have a look:

Bloomberg : How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists

Interviews with people familiar with Apple's inner workings reveal that the Mac is getting far less attention than it once did. They say the Mac team has lost clout with the famed industrial design group led by Jony Ive and the company's software team. They also describe a lack of clear direction from senior management, departures of key people working on Mac hardware and technical challenges that have delayed the roll-out of new computers.
While the Mac generates about 10 percent of Apple sales, the company can't afford to alienate professional designers and other business customers. After all, they helped fuel Apple's revival in the late 1990s. In a stinging critique, Peter Kirn, founder of a website for music and video creators, wrote: "This is a company with no real vision for what its most creative users actually do with their most advanced machines."
If more Mac users switch, the Apple ecosystem will become less sticky—opening the door to people abandoning higher-value products like the iPhone and iPad.


It because Tim Cook and the Execs are not creative on thinking outside the box. With all that R&D money waste on meaningless emojis. And with them blame Intel and suppliers for issues. Apple can essentially buy AMD to R&D and produce their future of AI, VR, and every chip needed in Mac lineup. That's why Tim Cook's future roadmap seems like he's waiting for the next decade to put anything meaningful out. Apple is on the verge of losing their ecosystem and Iphone X can't save them with managements blinders on. Sad but Scully=Cook is letting apples core rot. I'm leaving Apple products totally if nothing materializes by 2018
 
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Mac Pro and China where there are skills for ambitious products. Are Americans not capable of that?

Apparently we can only build weapons of mass destruction, and guns.
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Americans want to do factory work. Just not for a wage that would support affordable tech gear AND guarantee current quality, at minimum.

People don't even want to man a cash register for less than 15 dollars an hour. Who is going to cover up head to toe in protective gear and assemble computing equipment for pennies per hour like the Chinese?

I guess you're going to have to demand a raise from your boss. If he says no you'll have to unionize and go on strike. When you do this you'll no longer be a bloodsucker.
 
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"We Have Great Desktops in Our Roadmap"

"Mac fans shouldn't hold their breath for radical new designs in 2017 though. Instead, the company is preparing modest updates…"

So it's going to be a long road trip and we should stop asking "Are we there yet?"
 
"We Have Great Desktops in Our Roadmap"

"Mac fans shouldn't hold their breath for radical new designs in 2017 though. Instead, the company is preparing modest updates…"

So it's going to be a long road trip and we should stop asking "Are we there yet?"

I think it's more like people should stop acting like they are entitled, wait to see what Apple have in store. I will be looking to see what iMacs they announce next year, if they aren't anything major and just processor updates, I will hang onto my 2013 iMac and wait for the following year. We simply don't know what Apple has in store, but I keep seeing the same comments over and over again, "Apple is doomed" "fire Tim Cook" and so on, unless you have Apple stock people really aren't entitled to demand such things.
 
Yeah and the downside is Windows 10 which entirely destroys the whole package!

The Mac OS has (arguably) always been superior to Windows. This is irrelevant. Windows overtook Apple and it has stayed that way, ALWAYS.

Microsoft (and their OEMs) is now producing compelling hardware too (ironically taking Steve Jobs' famous advice), and hardware that make Apple hardware look archaic in comparison. Windows 10, despite being Windows, is the best Windows Msoft's ever made. I was actually impressed, even if it lacks the polish us Mac users are used to. But the masses, the computer-buying masses aren't used to Apple's polish, and W10 hardware is way more interesting than Apple's at this point.

Apple has been spinning its wheels since 2012/2013.
 
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I think it's more like people should stop acting like they are entitled, wait to see what Apple have in store. I will be looking to see what iMacs they announce next year, if they aren't anything major and just processor updates, I will hang onto my 2013 iMac and wait for the following year. We simply don't know what Apple has in store, but I keep seeing the same comments over and over again, "Apple is doomed" "fire Tim Cook" and so on, unless you have Apple stock people really aren't entitled to demand such things.

Whatever you want to call it "spoiled by the past great products, entitlement, impatience etc., Apple has clearly no vision for the Mac from the top.

I posted before that if I was presented with the Hello again agenda , I would have asked: What, that is it? and would have canceled it.
It was embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing. Did I mention : embarrassing?

Many of us do have the Apple required patience to wait what they do next and it is understood that they like to release things on their time table.

But, the latest evidence shows NOTHING!!!

3 years no updates of "PRO" gear in todays tech world is like an eternity, regardless of available chips from Intel.

The constant boasting about 3 mm thinner, 17% by volume (LOL) is just dumb. I can also deflate a product by taking out vital things and make it thinner. Whatever they take out gets put back via dongles from the outside.

I am also not for firing and getting new people who make the same old mistake, but Apple's ears must be ringing from doing really stupid stuff and getting called out on it.

Just one example: Who asked for and why would one remove a great invention like magsafe? To safe 3 mm or whatever?

Who from the pro field is even asking for thinner and thinner and thinner? If anything they want all the power and conveniences they can get. They would probably schlepp around a tower if that was working.

Lastly Apple, stop glueing the $%&^ pro stuff together. Even you guys can't fix your own stuff any more.

What is wrong if a tinkerer can upgrade an SSD or some chips.

Grandma and Grandpa don't buy MBPs , let alone open any electronic device.
 
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