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That is exactly what I have been saying since the thread started.
A11 is not a competitor to an i9, no matter what Geekbench says.

From Geekbench
Nov 16, 2017 iMac19,1Intel Core i9-7900X 3312 MHz (10 cores) Mac OS X 64-bit 5644 42660
Oct 26, 2017 MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2017)Intel Core i7-7920HQ 3100 MHz (4 cores) Mac OS X 64-bit 4969 16999
Apr 04, 2018 iPhone XApple A11 Bionic 2390 MHz (6 cores) iOS 64-bit 4262 10529

Now Geekbench gives a number for single and multicore workloads.
They claim real world workloads but I haven't seen the code.
But normalizing the multicore performance and just scaling speed; that gives
(1.29 x 10529)/6 = 2263 - A11
(1.06 x 16999)/4 = 4504 - i7
42660/10 = 4266 - i9

Clearly that's not how we evaluate performance but even normalizing for speed; the multicore performance of the A11 needs double the performance per core to be in the class of an i7 or i9.
For a single core normalizing for clock speed gets you in the ballpark, but that makes a lot of assumptions and none of them include the I/O for a balanced laptop/desktop system that the A11 does not have.

Once again, I didn't say Apple can't do it.
The ROI needs to make sense to invest the billion dollars in people, tools, silicon characterization, packaging research, etc. that it's going to take to even start to get a family of processors.

Ask Sun, HP, HAL and others how much money it takes to go head to head with Intel.
For a person who claims to know so much about cpus - you don’t seem to know much about the a11.

It has 2 high performance cores. The other 4 cores are high efficiency and are much slower. So you cannot just divide by 6. Just look at the single core result to see what the high performance core is capable of.

Look at the iPad Pro using the last generation a10x. It is approx 9500x1.29/3.

In any case, Apple won’t just plonk an a11 in a Mac and call it a day. Mobile processor max out at less than 3w compared to 45w in the MacBook Pro and 100w + in the iMac
 
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Intel based macs have better performance. Stability, privacy has nothing to do with the CPU. Core tech is too vague a term.

Flexibility and App choices. Wow. I mean wow.

Find me an iPad app that will allow me to program my arduinos. An iPad app that will let me design parametric 3D components and then print them on my 3D printer. An iPad app that will allow me to communicate with my Particle Photon IoT controllers. An iPad app that will allow me to design printed circuit boards and generate gerber files to have them fabricated. Those are all things I do at least weekly with my mac. There are hundreds of pieces of software from github I use regularly that I couldn't use on an iPad. And electronics just one niche I use my mac for.

Apple's vision of their "what's a computer" is the exact opposite of flexibility and app choice.

People have different needs for a computer. Many of you have a hard time understanding that. I gave examples in another post. I’m sure you can find it.
 
Nope. Apple has plenty of engineers who previously designed high-performance workstation processors (and even a few who've worked on TOP500 supercomputers).

Yep. Timmy has said many times over the past few years the iPhone is his idea of "desktop" performance.

The best engineers in the world don't matter when they are led by a moron who cares nothing about technology. Look how much Apple's R&D budge has expanded over the last 5 years while their output dropped to a trickle. They have the good engineers, but the company is rotting from the head.
 
Do you really believe that people that hang out in Macrumors represent the average Mac owner?

Of course not, we even discuss that in the forums all the time. But its the only data I can find.

I'm definitely open to changing my mind. Since you hold claims to high standards, I'm curious what source you found that is the basis of your assertion.
 
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Apple's vision of their "what's a computer" is the exact opposite of flexibility and app choice.

we dont like it, but honestly in 2018, that's what drives the sales. this makes total sense from a business perspective. Apple's core market shifted from computers to lifestyle devices some time ago and this is only the logical progression.
sucks, but it is what it is. this is why i started shifting away from OSX several years ago. not quite done yet, but getting there. I keep using ipads because they're great but Apple stopped filling my real computing needs some time ago.
 
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we dont like it, but honestly in 2018, that's what drives the sales. this makes total sense from a business perspective.

Right.. That's why iPad sales are in decline while mac sales are setting records.

Margins are higher on iPads and lifespan of iPads is shorter. It's all about squeezing pennies for Timmy.

Timmy may as well be selling Pepsi like Scully. It's all just profit for widgets to him.
 
People have different needs for a computer. Many of you have a hard time understanding that. I gave examples in another post. I’m sure you can find it.

Yep, because I'm on a mac and not an iPad it was easy to look up your posting history; on an iPad it would have been a pita.

That's besides the point, because if you think the iPad is the right tool for those jobs, use an iPad. Not sure why you're posting about macs at all if you believe an iPad is the best tool for the job, why don't you want to improve the iPad and leave the mac alone?

But anyway, most of what you listed are way harder to do on an iPad than a mac. Annotate a document to share with team mates? What app do you annotate it in, what do you send it to team mates in? The iPad died for me the time I hate to receive a PDF in email, edit it, and forward the edited version to other people. The iPad is simply not capable of doing it without 30 minutes of googling which half-dozen apps I need to fine.
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An iPad for all intents and purposes is a computer.

My intent and purpose is to use a computer to do parametric 3D modelling and send it to a 3D printer and develop microcontroller firmware.

For those intents and purposes, an iPad is as much a computer as a loaf of bread is a computer.
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Because OS X uses OpenGL and windows games are developed for DirectX?

Do you even understand what that means or you're quoting a concept you don't get?

Just as you're porting between two different APIs with two different feature sets, porting low level functions between CPU architectures is very labour intensive.
 
Right.. That's why iPad sales are in decline while mac sales are setting records.

i was more getting at the convergence of iOS and Mac OS. yes mac sales are through the roof but what's actually being bought? hint, its more 1.4ghz mac minis and 1.2ghz core-M macbooks than it is iMac Pros and cylinders. those junk machines were deliberately put out to see how the market would respond to Apple machines with less than capable hardware. most apple customers dont care whats under the hood anymore. if switching the macs to ARM makes it easier (read: cheaper) for Apple to implement seamless integration between your iphone, your ipad, and your imac, that's what they're going to do because that's what the average (lifestyle) customer wants.

experienced users and pros just need to accept that we are no longer a market Apple cares about and move on.
 
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Right.. That's why iPad sales are in decline while mac sales are setting records.

Margins are higher on iPads and lifespan of iPads is shorter. It's all about squeezing pennies for Timmy.

Timmy may as well be selling Pepsi like Scully. It's all just profit for widgets to him.

no no. not widgets (because heaven forbit iOS lets us have those on our homescreen).

EMOJI

selling EMOJI!
 
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But guess what... even my new Samsung TV can do most things. It has memory, storage, input, output, processing capability (all elements of a computer BTW). It comes with apps pretty installed, can download and install others, can connect a keyboard... etc. etc.

Incorrect. All elements of a personal computer. It has the Tizen/Orsay operating system which does a million different tasks in the background. By broad definition, yes it's a computer. But it's not the same TYPE of computer that runs in a watch or a coffee maker. Your Samsung SmartTV is equivalent to a very budget conscious version of an HTPC.
 
Yep, because I'm on a mac and not an iPad it was easy to look up your posting history; on an iPad it would have been a pita.

That's besides the point, because if you think the iPad is the right tool for those jobs, use an iPad. Not sure why you're posting about macs at all if you believe an iPad is the best tool for the job, why don't you want to improve the iPad and leave the mac alone?

But anyway, most of what you listed are way harder to do on an iPad than a mac. Annotate a document to share with team mates? What app do you annotate it in, what do you send it to team mates in? The iPad died for me the time I hate to receive a PDF in email, edit it, and forward the edited version to other people. The iPad is simply not capable of doing it without 30 minutes of googling which half-dozen apps I need to fine.
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My intent and purpose is to use a computer to do parametric 3D modelling and send it to a 3D printer and develop microcontroller firmware.

For those intents and purposes, an iPad is as much a computer as a loaf of bread is a computer.
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Do you even understand what that means or you're quoting a concept you don't get?

Just as you're porting between two different APIs with two different feature sets, porting low level functions between CPU architectures is very labour intensive.

It takes the exact same steps to find someone’s history on an iPad. I am participating in the discussion because I see the value in Apple making this decision. I’ll use an app called PDF expert to annotate and then I’ll export to a shared office 365 account. It’s simple. You seem to be challenged with really simple tasks so probably best to stick with what ya know.
 
Yep. Timmy has said many times over the past few years the iPhone is his idea of "desktop" performance.

You mistake what Cook says with what Apple R&D does. Apple has introduced plenty of new tech that Steve or Tim never publicly mentioned until after they were ready to ship. The first shipping 64-bit ARM was right out of the blue. The custom dual core in the Watch that's faster than a Cray-1 supercomputer is another.
 
People have different needs for a computer. Many of you have a hard time understanding that. I gave examples in another post. I’m sure you can find it.

Everyone does have a different need. The iPad works great for you. I love my iPad Pro. It isn't capable of doing any work for me. I could write a document or two... maybe a spreadsheet if needed... But it won't work for me and I would assume that it wouldn't work for a majority of those that have Macs.

Just remember. Those apps you love on the iPad are developed on a Mac.
 
I'm not sure why you replied. The Mac is just a tool like your toaster. If your toaster doesn't work, you get a different one.

I'm not sure what the talk about being entrenched is all about.

All I hear is "Apple is right about everything.. .blah blah blah" from you.

Oh, yeah, taking a crap on Apple in this group is oh so edgy, you want a gold star or something.
Go take your act on the road to tune it up... Needs it bad.
 
This thread is crazy out of control LOL.

Firstly, this is a rumour. We don't know if it's going to happen, or to what extent. For all we know they might simply use ARM in Airs, or maybe even the MacBooks but keep Intel in the Pros.

I too am going to miss the bootcamp but there is no guarantee that it will in fact go away. Apple may have something up their sleeve for this.

Everyone saying that Windows 10 is dead doesn't make sense to me. So all the PC manufacturers are now screwed? Not likely. Someone linked an article where Microsoft is shifting more focus on cloud services etc. That doesn't mean Windows 10 is dead, rather, there might be more money for them in services. Look at MacOS - they stopped selling it ages ago but included with their hardware. Maybe MS is going to go the same route with their Surface line.

I'm just going to keep trucking along until something for sure comes up and will evaluate/ adapt at that point.
 
Long time no see MR and get wowed with this great rumor!!

I'm admit recent iteration of Apple chips is going better, A11 bionic are so powerful. but only comparable to beat mobile chips and some low end variants cpu from Intel. Try comparing with real Intel desktop CPU, even A11 touted as desktop class chips, it's still hard time to outperform even for an i5 chips.

I'll approve if Apple can makes brutal chip comparable with HEDT Xeon/Threadripper found on most truck-like workstation computer. Or at least comparable at consumer level processor small socket Intel 1151 like i7 7700/8700K.

I'm wander how this decision impact AMD. Likely Apple prefer to put inhouse self baked GPU instead of favor of AMD.

At least we have some nice MacRumors again, we have so many iOSRumors in recent years ;)
 
So many unhappy campers over this rumour. However, this is so logical to integrate all of Apple’s HW platforms to a common SW platform. Transition may be tough but it’ll be the right call.
 
So many unhappy campers over this rumour. However, this is so logical to integrate all of Apple’s HW platforms to a common SW platform. Transition may be tough but it’ll be the right call.

Not unhappy campers, but likely it wull ruin some my workflow/production again, but i can resist using old/outdated hardware/software for years at transition time.

Rumour plotwist : Apple delayed Modular Mac Pro in 2020 so they can announce modular Mac Pro using multiple A15XX cpu~
 
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Oh, yeah, taking a crap on Apple in this group is oh so edgy, you want a gold star or something.
Go take your act on the road to tune it up... Needs it bad.

I have no idea what your referring to.... I haven't taken a crap on Apple. I also don't take their word as gospel. You should try it sometime. It is enlightening.
 
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Apple is planning to transition from Intel chips to its own custom made Mac chips as early as 2020, reports Bloomberg.

Apple's initiative, reportedly code named "Kalamata," is part of an effort to make Macs, iPhones, and iPads work "more similarly and seamlessly together" according to unspecified sources that spoke to Bloomberg. Apple already designs its own A-series chips found in iPhones and iPads.

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The Mac chip plans are said to be in the early stages of development and the transition from Intel chips to Apple chips could involve multiple steps, starting with the "Marzipan" initiative coming in iOS 12 and macOS 10.14 to allow developers to create a single app able to run on both iOS and macOS.

With its own chips, Apple would not be forced to wait on new Intel chips before being able to release updated Macs, and the company could integrate new features on a faster schedule.Apple has already begun using custom designed T1 and T2 chips in its MacBook Pro and iMac Pro machines, and the company is said to be planning to integrate additional custom co-processors in Macs coming later this year. The custom chips will also be used in the upcoming Mac Pro, which is in development.

The T1 chip, included in the MacBook Pro, powers the Touch Bar and authenticates Touch ID. The T2 chip, in the iMac Pro integrates several components including the system management controller, image signal processor, SSD controller, and a Secure Enclave with a hardware-based encryption engine.

Previous rumors have suggested Apple is interested in creating its own ARM-based core processor chips for its Mac lineup in order to reduce its dependence on Intel. Apple is also rumored to be pursuing development of its own modem chips to also reduce reliance on both Intel and Qualcomm.

A move away from Intel would have a major impact on Intel, with Apple providing approximately five percent of Intel's annual revenue. Intel stock has already dropped following the news.

Article Link: Apple Plans to Ditch Intel and Use Custom Mac Chips Starting in 2020

Well, if Apple will do it, I only hope that transition will not be as traumatic as the transition to PowerPC chips and Intel chips. And some like Rosetta exists...:)....But anyways, I will congratulate Apple for the move, if that move brings more power to the platform and credible updates, for example, to the Mac Pro....:)
 
Well, if Apple will do it, I only hope that transition will not be as traumatic as the transition to PowerPC chips and Intel chips. And some like Rosetta exists...:)....But anyways, I will congratulate Apple for the move, if that move brings more power to the platform and credible updates, for example, to the Mac Pro....:)
arm don't have much power.. i don't think so it will happen.
 
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