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Apple Plans to Expand Uses of Haptic Touch on iPhone XR Over Time

white4s said:
It's just a lazier way to use your phone. I couldn't care less that the Xr won't have it
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many technology is designed to b "lazy"
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techfreak23 said:
Sucks for those of us that actually know how to use our phones and take heavy advantage of the options that are available to 3D Touch. It’s convenient in certain areas (albeit small areas) but getting used to that muscle memory of pressure to use took awhile. It would suck to have to retrain the muscles AND lose functionality... unless they are going to drop the cost of the devices, they need to keep 3D Touch there. Only justifiable reason to remove is if they can bring the end user price down. That’s what people should be saying, instead of “I don’t use it at all, so get rid of it for everyone that does” that’s why Apple gave you the option to turn it off if you don’t like it or use it. I’m tired of Apple catering to the idiots in their customer base.
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well said. some ppl here are so self-entitled. also you don't hear these type of comments when 6s came out coz it was "new" but as soon as apple removes it for xr and possible future, suddenly they are all the genius of how a phone should be designed
 
I think 3D touch will eventually go away, maybe next year or when they'll change design a little bit.
Moving the cursor while typing is my main usage of 3D touch, now I can long press on the space bar if I want and the other use of force press was switching between apps, but there's the swipe gesture on the notch phones.
So what's left? App quick actions on the home screen, something I use for the camera if I want to immediately start a video or a selfie (but I only take a few of them). Long press is needed to start moving icons, but what if they add a new gesture either for moving icons or for quick app actions? The same gesture could maybe work for peek and pop (that I never use).

iPad doesn't support 3D touch and never will, unless they add something similar via the pencil. The phone that is likely going to be their best selling model of 2018 doesn't have 3D touch so why should they bother supporting it? Just find a new, clever solution and remove the feature.
Maybe they can find a way to tell a force touch from a long press in some ways without having a scale for the force applied like they have now, just a true/false value. It won't work in some games, but could be ok for everything else
 
tennisproha said:
NOOO! 3D Touch is awesome. I use it everyday. Once you get the hang of it, it makes your productivity so much faster. Make 3D Touch better and more widespread Apple.

3D Touch and long press have vastly different use cases. Long press allows you to access right click actions on touch. While 3D Touch allows shortcut, preview, and widget actions. They're for entirely different things. If you combine them, your long press action list will be 15+ actions long. It’ll become the cluster**** that share sheet currently is.
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The point is very few people actually use or care about 3D Touch. I don't doubt its usefulness. The point is few people rely on it, and most of it's actions can be replaced by long press. It's easy to see why Apple would kill it.

Many more people rely on a 3.5mm jack than even knew 3D Touch existed, but Apple was courageous enough to kill that. 3D Touch doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of living on.
 
recoil80 said:
....Long press is needed to start moving icons, but what if they add a new gesture either for moving icons or for quick app actions? The same gesture could maybe work for peek and pop (that I never use)....
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The long press to activate wiggle mode for icons is just the way apple has implemented the feature. On the iPad Pro, a long press will activate an action menu on many apps. Long press on the files app and you will see your most recent files. Continue to long press and apps will enter wiggle mode. This can easily be applied to the iPhone if apple wishes. In my opinion, I would have a long press activate all action windows, (just as 3D touch does now) and have an option in the window to arrange icons. When selected, apps will begin to wiggle. I understand that each developer would need to add this item to their feature set, if at all. But apple could certainly add this feature to their apps like the settings app.
 
I like 3D Touch, it has so much potential if implemented right. Sure you can replicate the first press with a long press, but an even longer press can’t fully replicate the feel and response of the 2nd deeper press. It can surely work but won’t feel the same. I know those of us who jailbreak may miss the added depth and functionality that can be enhanced with 3D Touch but we are even a smaller minority. It does not seem like it ever caught on in the mainstream or became ubiquitous enough throughout iOS devices. The majority of people I know on iOS either don’t care much for it or don’t know about it at all. I’d bet that is fairly common among iOS users in general.
 
TheWatchfulOne said:
You can turn it off in Settings -> General -> Accessibility
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Dezryth said:
You can turn it off: http://osxdaily.com/2016/02/25/disable-enable-3d-touch-iphone/
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I did not know this... Humbled...

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However, I watched a review yesterday on YouTube that showed and stated the XR cant detect pets for portrait mode. That's probably the nail in the coffin for the XR to me. Sure, they might change that with a software update, but I'm not going to spend $750 on a might. Our children bark.​
 
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Raist3001 said:
The long press to activate wiggle mode for icons is just the way apple has implemented the feature. On the iPad Pro, a long press will activate an action menu on many apps. Long press on the files app and you will see your most recent files. Continue to long press and apps will enter wiggle mode. This can easily be applied to the iPhone if apple wishes. In my opinion, I would have a long press activate all action windows, (just as 3D touch does now) and have an option in the window to arrange icons. When selected, apps will begin to wiggle. I understand that each developer would need to add this item to their feature set, if at all. But apple could certainly add this feature to their apps like the settings app.
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I wonder if they'll use some ML to tell if a user is long pressing a button or force pressing. I guess a simple touch covers a smaller area than a strong one. But it may be confusing for the user, so I don't know.
They can solve the springboard problem as on the iPad as you say, but peek and pop need a different implementation, I don't think long press works there.
 
itsmilo said:
What does long press do on a 3D Touch device besides making the icons wiggle? Honestly don’t know right now lol
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It brings up right click options, just like any other iPhone, besides the XR I guess.
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brofkand said:
The point is very few people actually use or care about 3D Touch. I don't doubt its usefulness. The point is few people rely on it, and most of it's actions can be replaced by long press. It's easy to see why Apple would kill it.
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Do you have any data to back this claim?
 
We’re getting back to the “most people” arguments to justify cutting or not having features. Most people won’t know. Most people won’t care. Keep it up and you’ll get an iPhone made for most people. Oh wait. Lol.
 
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Raist3001 said:
I am not sure. If I long press on an email, peek and pop may work if apple decides.
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If you have to long press and the only action is peek it may work, but what if long press now is used for additional options? Like in Safari, if you peek on a link it opens the preview but if you long press you can copy the link, share it, open in a new windows etc.
It may work in Mail as long press is doing nothing, same in iMessage. They may use a different gesture for peek and pop or just remove the feature when long press is needed for other actions.
 
recoil80 said:
If you have to long press and the only action is peek it may work, but what if long press now is used for additional options? Like in Safari, if you peek on a link it opens the preview but if you long press you can copy the link, share it, open in a new windows etc.
It may work in Mail as long press is doing nothing, same in iMessage. They may use a different gesture for peek and pop or just remove the feature when long press is needed for other actions.
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Good points. On the iPad, a long press on files will show me my most recent used files. If I continue to hold, then the apps will enter wiggle mode. Something similar may be used for iPhone. Long press on an email to peek. Continue to hold, and it will enter pop mode. Long press on a safari link to peek, continue to hold to copy the link. However, in my humble opinion, 3D touch should be left for the premium phones and not removed. I use it extensively and would miss it very much if removed.
 
So once the haptic feedback is broadly implemented, this will also be available on other non-3D touch devices, right? SE, 6....
 
Can someone explain the difference between haptic touch and 3D touch? I understand that 3D touch uses a pressure-sensitive layer on the screen while haptic touch uses software (such as a long press), but does that mean they're the same beyond this one difference? Do both use the taptic engine, or does haptic touch vibrate the motor inside like older phones did? Is there an electromagnetic actuator in the iPhone XR, instead of a vibration motor?
 
tennisproha said:
Do you have any data to back this claim?
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They're removing the feature, that is all the data I need to tell me it's not worth the engineering effort to retain. Do you need an FBI investigation to prove that nobody uses a feature you like?

whohasaquestion said:
So once the haptic feedback is broadly implemented, this will also be available on other non-3D touch devices, right? SE, 6....
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LOL
 
brofkand said:
They're removing the feature, that is all the data I need to tell me it's not worth the engineering effort to retain. Do you need an FBI investigation to prove that nobody uses a feature you like?
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They removed 3D touch from the XR to keep costs down. I have yet to read that 3D touch is definitely being removed from the premium offerings of the X series moving forward. Anything on this topic is simply rumor at best for the moment. After all, it was rumored that 3D touch would be removed for the 2018 offerings. This makes sense for the cheaper offerings, but makes little sense for the premium offerings. As a somewhat hidden feature, even if apple believes the feature is no longer essential, I bet apple will not lower the price of the phones.
 
brofkand said:
They removed 3D touch from the XR to keep costs down. I have yet to read that 3D touch is definitely being removed from the premium offerings of the X series moving forward. Anything on this topic is simply rumor at best for the moment. After all, it was rumored that 3D touch would be removed for the 2018 offerings. This makes sense for the cheaper offerings, but makes little sense for the premium offerings. As a somewhat hidden feature, even if apple believes the feature is no longer essential, I bet apple will not lower the price of the phones.
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And will not bring back headphone jack or install larger battery.

Just to complete your statement.
 
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Raist3001 said:
Good points. On the iPad, a long press on files will show me my most recent used files. If I continue to hold, then the apps will enter wiggle mode. Something similar may be used for iPhone. Long press on an email to peek. Continue to hold, and it will enter pop mode. Long press on a safari link to peek, continue to hold to copy the link. However, in my humble opinion, 3D touch should be left for the premium phones and not removed. I use it extensively and would miss it very much if removed.
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We may have a new Apple pencil next week and I wonder if they'll use it to implement some sort of 3D touch gesture on the iPad via the pencil.
I think 3D touch didn't get enough support from developers because it never made it to the iPad. Now is gone on the Xr as well so either they push for long press = force touch or they come up with something different.
I think iOS 13 will feature a major UI overhaul and we'll see if 3D touch will be an important part of the story.
 
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