Completely correct. If these Apple Intelligence features literally ship in 19.0 in September, this entire misstep will be completely forgotten within a month, if it hasn’t been already. I certainly don’t really hear anyone talking about it outside of here anymore.
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I suspect a significant amount of time will be spent during the keynote attempting to assuage some concerns about Siri, mainly to address the revised scheduling for the release of the new features, as well as maybe more clarification as to what "Apple Intelligence" actually means, and a forward-looking description of how Apple plans to implement it. They need to make it clear, or at least reiterate, that it's not merely a chatbot, and that they're going for a hybrid AI architecture combining on-device compute where possible, with cloud compute for more complex user requests people make of Siri, and how Apple will ensure one's data isn't compromised in the process. This would give them a chance to wow the audience with the interesting behind-the scenes specifics of how all this is being achieved, as opposed to showing them a Potemkin Village ad depicting users pulling stunts with Siri.
For instance, not much has been said yet about the 250,000 square foot factory Apple is building in Houston to churn out AI servers to beef up its data centers, located in several states, that will be handling the tasks sent to the cloud.
This is all completely believable and is the way I expect them to go about it as well.
I also suspect that, given that he is now completely in charge of the product itself whereas he wasn’t before, we will see actual demos from Craig himself on the new personal context features. Not just because he is in charge of it now and he wasn’t before, but also to build back any trust that may have possibly been lost.
Which, don’t get me wrong, is absolutely how they should have went about all of this in the first place, but better late than never.
Scott Fortstall was the guy on the front lines for Snow Leopard, which was the most stable and reliable personal computer operating system in Apple's 49-year history.
Cheetah and Puma were released in 2001. Their major problems were fixed within one year. Now compare that to Siri, which has been problematic for 14 years.
So when Apple employed Forstall, OS problems were fixed within one year. But after Apple fired Forstall, the OS problem with Siri has lasted 14 years.
Forstall was fired by Tim Cook in 2012, which is one year after Siri was integrated into iOS in 2011. That is why Siri was never fixed even after 14 years.
Blame Clueless Cook for firing Forstall.
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Also, Forstall’s OS was reliable and so clever at that time. When I had first 2007 iPhone, I was sometimes surprised how well were some features in iOS done.
Since iOS7 it slowly vanished.
Not only OS become soulless by (flat) design but sometimes unnecessary steps, taps, swipes…etc were added here or there. Still better then Android but nowhere near the old OS cleverness.
He literally wasn’t, the men in charge of getting “Snow Leopard” out the door were Bertrand Serlet and Craig Federighi.
At that time, Scott Forstall was only senior vice president of iPhone software. Not Mac OS X.
Also…
“Since 2009, the myth of Snow Leopard has only grown. As memories (and accuracy) fade, Snow Leopard has come to be known as a "bug fix update". If it had 0 new features, then it must have consisted entirely of bug fixes and performance improvements, right? Mac OS X 10.6.0 was solid as a rock, remember?
Well, let's look at the release notes for the 10.6.1 update:
- compatibility with some Sierra Wireless 3G modems
- an issue that might cause DVD playback to stop unexpectedly
- some printer compatibility drivers not appearing properly in the add printer browser
- an issue that might make it difficult to remove an item from the Dock
- instances where automatic account setup in Mail might not work
- an issue where pressing cmd-opt-t in Mail brings up the special characters menu instead of moving a message
- Motion 4 becoming unresponsive
- an issue that might cause your system to logout unexpectedly
- a graphics distortion in Safari Top Sites
- Spotlight search results not showing Exchange contacts
- a problem that prevented authenticating as an administrative user
- issues when using NTFS and WebDAV file servers
- the reliability of menu extras
- an issue with the 4-finger swipe gesture
- an issue that causes Mail to quit unexpectedly when setting up an Exchange server
- Address Book becoming unresponsive when editing
- a problem adding images to contacts in Address Book
- an issue that prevented opening files downloaded from the Internet
- Safari plug-in reliability
- general reliability improvements for iWork, iLife, Aperture, Final Cut Studio, MobileMe, and iDisk
- an issue that caused data to be deleted when using a guest account
We're not done. Here's 10.6.3:
- improve the reliability and compatibility of QuickTime X
- address compatibility issues with OpenGL-based applications
- address an issue that causes background message colors to display incorrectly in Mail
- resolve an issue that prevented files with the # or & characters in their names from opening in Rosetta applications
- resolve an issue that prevented files from copying to Windows file servers
- improve performance of Logic Pro 9 and Main Stage 2 when running in 64-bit mode
- improve sleep and wake reliability when using Bonjour wake on demand
- address a color issue in iMovie with HD content
- improve printing reliability
- resolve issues with recurring events in iCal when connected to an Exchange server
- improve the reliability of 3rd party USB input devices
- fix glowing, stuck, or dark pixels when viewing video from the iMac (Late 2009) built-in iSight camera
- resolve an issue that causes the keyboard or trackpad to become unresponsive
- resolve an issue that may prevent some Adobe Creative Suite 3 applications from opening
- address issues copying, renaming, or deleting files on SMB file servers
- improve reliability of VPN connections
- resolve a playback issue in DVD Player when using Good Quality deinterlacing
- resolve an issue editing photos with iPhoto or Aperture in full screen view
- improve compatibility with some braille displays
Pretty much every time you post one of these “Forstall was the best, there was no bugs, not a single bug existed, the operating systems were perfect” posts, it can be easily disproven by just… Looking at the archives. Looking at comments from the time.
You are stuck in the “grass is always greener” mindset, where everything in the past, when you were younger, was always better. When the facts simply just don’t support this.
And again, the guy that you are praising, wasn’t even in charge of Mac OS X when “Snow Leopard” was released.
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This is just a Tripp Mickle gossip piece, it’s not investigative journalism. Apple doesn’t normally respond to this kind of thing, but in this case they did. The way Mickle buries their response tells you all you need to know.
Thanks for clarifying forestall was responsible for both the maps and Siri fiascos. That’s why he was shown the door.
The guy literally will not respond to any criticism of Forstall, even when he gets things blatantly wrong.
Like the fact that Scott was the lead of Mac software when snow leopard released, which is just verifiably untrue.
But he will be back, just look at that posting history lmao.
Well said. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I would rather wait for the product I want than hurry a product I don’t. If this works out it will be better than the competition and much safer which is important to me.
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Citation about Apple is late and no longer cool. Teens disagree and I disagree. But oh well.
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Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was released in 2009. Scott Forstall was removed from being the head of OS X development three years later, in 2012. The quoted text below is from Wikipedia:
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Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was released in 2009. Scott Forstall was removed from being the head of OS X development three years later, in 2012. The quoted text below is from Wikipedia:
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Craig Federighi Succeeding Bertrand Serlet as Apple's Chief of Mac Software
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Scott Forstall lost that title in 2007, when he became… The senior vice president of iPhone software.
see this listing of Scott’s official title as senior vice president of iPhone (not Mac, iPhone) software dated August 10, 2009, three weeks before snow leopard ever hit the market…
Also, Wikipedia is not a source.
In fact, I was even wrong, Scott Forstall was never, ever senior vice president of Mac software. He was only ever senior vice president of iPhone software.
Here is Steve Jobs in 2006 introducing Scott, as well as Bertrand.
He rightfully calls Bertrand the “ senior vice president of software engineering”, but what label does he give Scott? Vice president of platform experience. Whatever that means.
So he was never completely in charge of the Mac, he went from vice president of platform experience, to senior vice president of iPhone software.
The head of Mac software engineering went directly from Bertrand to Craig Federighi in March 2011, Scott was never in that position.
Scott Forstall was only ever completely in charge of iOS.
Any delusions that Scott was responsible for snow leopard are just that, delusions.
In fact, by 2009 when Snow leopard was being introduced, guess who they had giving the presentation? Hint: his name was not Scott.
Now this guy looks familiar…
Here is Steve Jobs in 2006 introducing Scott, as well as Bertrand.
He rightfully calls Bertrand the “ senior vice president of software engineering”, but what label does he give Scott? Vice president of platform experience. Whatever that means.
So he was never completely in charge of the Mac, he went from vice president of platform experience, to senior vice president of iPhone software.
The head of Mac software engineering went directly from Bertrand to Craig Federighi in March 2011, Scott was never in that position.
Scott Forstall was only ever completely in charge of iOS.
Any delusions that Scott was responsible for snow leopard are just that, delusions.
In fact, by 2009 when Snow leopard was being introduced, guess who they had giving the presentation? Hint: his name was not Scott.
Oh it will be activated by default at some point for you with no possibility to turn it off. Just so your device gets sluggish and you have to upgrade. Until then enjoy the relentless popup reminders!