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Apple please listen; I want a MacBook but Dell is cheaper & better equipped
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When pigs flyChrispy said:Does anyone know when the new MBP with the merom processors will be coming out??
You don't. OS X doesn't have a 'maximize'. It's more of a 'size this window to fit' (right most button on top left of window).dpaanlka said:
Vaguely relevant posting.
A friend of mine was trying to set up some wireless thing under Windows 98 on some PC, and asked tech support to help her, then she phoned me, and I told her to do a few things, but it still didn't work. I of course made a point of mentionning how my iBook's wireless "just worked". Some bastard part of me just loves that "Sorry" with the slightly apologetic note and a slightly I-told-you-so note in there whenever people can't get their PCs to work.
Now I know why PC people hate Mac people Hahaha
A friend of mine was trying to set up some wireless thing under Windows 98 on some PC, and asked tech support to help her, then she phoned me, and I told her to do a few things, but it still didn't work. I of course made a point of mentionning how my iBook's wireless "just worked". Some bastard part of me just loves that "Sorry" with the slightly apologetic note and a slightly I-told-you-so note in there whenever people can't get their PCs to work.
Now I know why PC people hate Mac people
Hahaha
Are you serious? Comparing a PC with Windows 98 to your iBook with OS X? A better comparison would be like OS 8 or 9, which were anything but sexy. You seriously can't compare Windows 98/PC with terrible wireless card attempting to connect to a current hardware network to a current built-in wireless card on an iBook. Gimme a break...MarkCollette said:
Veritas&Equitas said:
True, my G3 iBook came out a little while after Win98. But, the wireless adapter only comes with Windows drivers, not Mac ones, so it should work in Windows without black magic. Plus, the only experience I've personally had with WiFi in PCs is with two different Dell Win XP notebooks, and they were quite frustrating. It would incessantly popup a thing to say it discovered the neighbour's network. I had to disable WiFi just to get anything done. On my iBook running OS X 10.3 it just adds that base station to a drop down menu and doesn't harass anyone.
Veritas&Equitas said:
???
AirPort equipped iBooks started shipping during the Mac OS 8.6 era, which puts it right about at Windows 98 levels. How do you know what he has or doesn't have?
By the way, it was just as easy under Mac OS 8.6 as it is today on Mac OS X. Base stations and stuff were automatically configured just as easily as they are today:
I'm not sure what's not sexy about that, especially in comparison to Windows 98. It was also equally easy with Orinoco PCMCIA cards on PowerBooks that do not have built-in wireless, and the Orinoco drivers:
First of all OS 8 is hideous when compared to Win 95.
Back on topic.
I just bought this system after waiting 10 months for a new MBP:
- HP Pavilion dv6000t CTO NB
- FREE Upgrade to Genuine Windows XP Media Center!!
- Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7200 (2.00 GHz)
- 15.4" WXGA Widescreen (1280x800)
- 256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7400
- HP IMPRINT Finish + Microphone + Webcam
- 2.0GB DDR2 SDRAM (2x1024MB)
- 120 GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
- LightScribe Super Multi 8X DVD+/-RW w/Double Layer
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network w/Bluetooth
- No TV Tuner w/remote control
- 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Microsoft(R) Works/Money
- HP Mobile Remote Control
All that plus 2 year warranty, shipped, for $1668.32 minus $50 MIR takes it down to $1618.32
Back on topic.
I just bought this system after waiting 10 months for a new MBP:
- HP Pavilion dv6000t CTO NB
- FREE Upgrade to Genuine Windows XP Media Center!!
- Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7200 (2.00 GHz)
- 15.4" WXGA Widescreen (1280x800)
- 256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7400
- HP IMPRINT Finish + Microphone + Webcam
- 2.0GB DDR2 SDRAM (2x1024MB)
- 120 GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
- LightScribe Super Multi 8X DVD+/-RW w/Double Layer
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network w/Bluetooth
- No TV Tuner w/remote control
- 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Microsoft(R) Works/Money
- HP Mobile Remote Control
All that plus 2 year warranty, shipped, for $1668.32 minus $50 MIR takes it down to $1618.32
n00bst3r said:
How did you come up with that nonsense?
I would say the Mac OS 8/9 interface is softer than the chiseled edge Windows 98/ME interface. Classic Mac OS menus and windows were also thinner and overall the UI was a less wasteful use of screen space IMO. Especially since, on Windows (this remains true today), every application window has a copy of it's menu inside it's window, as opposed to the Mac way, where only the menu bar of the active window is present to take up space.
Not to mention, uhhh, it's WAY easier to set up wireless connections with Mac OS 8/9 than it ever was with Windows 98/ME, which is why we brought up Windows 98 and Mac OS 8 in the first place. They weren't even close.
Dude...
They're not the same. Do they have the same casing design, OS, reliability, weight, etc? No, I think not. They are, therefore, NOT the same.
If you want to a computer based solely on specs, go for the Dell. If you're looking at an improved computing experience, head to Apple.
Oh, by the way, wasn't the technically superior Dreamcast similar in price (or less than) a PS2? Would you say those two systems are the same?
boxlight said:
They're not the same. Do they have the same casing design, OS, reliability, weight, etc? No, I think not. They are, therefore, NOT the same.
If you want to a computer based solely on specs, go for the Dell. If you're looking at an improved computing experience, head to Apple.
Oh, by the way, wasn't the technically superior Dreamcast similar in price (or less than) a PS2? Would you say those two systems are the same?
n00bst3r said:
Good luck. I bought an HP Pavilion dv5030us earlier this year. Ended up selling it a couple months later at about a $500 loss to buy a MacBook once those came out. The problem with your list above is this line:
"- FREE Upgrade to Genuine Windows XP Media Center!!"
I was thrilled with Windows Media Center for about the first 2 weeks, but that's it. That's right, it only took *2 weeks* for me to start getting random errors like "such and such DLL not found". See, in Windows, those little things start appearing and just keep accumulating and getting worse. And there's usually no obvious way to fix it other than a clean reinstall of Windows.
So to make a long story short, I bought a MacBook about 6 months ago and I've been happy ever since. About the only issue I had in the beginning was getting WMV files to play, but once Flip4Mac came out with a Universal Binary version, that problem was solved. So I took a downgrade in screen size, hard drive size, and optical drive (no DVD burner on my MacBook), and yet I'm still thrilled with my computer 6 months later.
So as I said, good luck and I hope you get better resale value on your HP Pavilion than I did...
dpaanlka said:
I never used Mac OS 8, but I used OS 9 on my girlfriend's Mac and I would say that the Mac OS at that time was more prone to freeze-ups. For all that Mac fans made fun of "blue screens of death" in Windows, in my estimation the Mac was at least as prone to freeze-ups back in those days. If your Mac freezes up and you have to restart it without being able to save your work, then that's just as bad as a blue screen of death, IMO.
I can use my MBP on my lap without burning my lap. And since the MB is emits less heat, it will be even cooler.n00bst3r said:
n00bst3r said:
Haha, that's funny. What the hell do you know about me? I merely relate to you a factual account of my recent purchasing experience as a cautionary tale, and you come back with insults. Nice.
For the record:
- I'm a computer professional with 10 years experience
- I have extensive experience with: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX. I'll stop there.
- I graduated from MIT (Electrical Engineering)
- Have built plenty of whitebox computers for fun, or taken my friends' old dead-end computers and updated them with newer OS (usually Linux or Windows NT 4.0), so that they could serve some purpose (e.g. Web Server, database server, file server).
Since I use Windows all day at work, I don't want to come home to a craptastic computer. Because of my experience with the full range of operating systems, I can also appreciate how miraculous Apple's achievement is: they took a Unix-based operating system and made it the most beautiful and user-friendly in the world. I'm still in awe at that. At home, I have completely eliminated Windows and Linux and am now happy to have OS X fulfill all my computing needs. I have much better things to do than fiddle with my computer, and Windows just wasted too much of my time compared to OS X.
n00bst3r said:
I don't understand this statement at all.
If the MBP came out in January, 10 months ago, then 10 months ago you could have gotten a new MBP. If you expected an even newer MBP to come out before the MB, then I don't know what you were thinking.
Let's say that you were expecting a new MBP at WWDC, well that was about 2 to 2 1/2 months ago. But really Merom wasn't available yet, so all you could have been waiting for was the announcement of a new MBP in August. Now the new iMacs went C2D about 4-5 weeks ago, which means that you've been waiting a month, maybe 6 weeks for a new MBP. And you gave in already. OK, that was a little over the top, I can say that you could say that you knew Merom was coming out end of August, and you've been waiting since this time in June or July for a new MBP, which is 3-4 months of anticipation of which only the last 4-8 weeks is puh-lease already. But not the other 6-7.
n00bst3r said:
Apparently he's also capable of posting without thinking. Pretty impressive!lmalave said:
n00bst3r said:
Have fun with that. No one cares. You should've just bought the MBP now rather than waiting for some processor that won't mean jack **** of a difference when you realize it.
yg17 said:If it does not run OSX, it's not better equipped. End of discussion
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