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Apple please listen; I want a MacBook but Dell is cheaper & better equipped

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clevin said:
God told you so or what? who do u think u are to assert this kind of authority?
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I mentioned God?
I asserted authority?
If you have nothing to say, don't. What was that?

Like I said I'm not necessarily picking on you. Just my feelings about gamers. Last I checked I was allowed to have my own feelings, without being the dictator of my own country. And like you said free speech, so I can post my feelings. If I had any authority, I would raise the MR age limit to 17 or 18. I'm sure there are a lot of 13-17 year olds who have a lot of good things to say but at the same time it would probably eliminate a lot of gamers too. That said I have no idea how old you are. I am simply stating what I would do with some authority. Remember that I don't have any. Not here at least. I can however tell the dog to sit, stay or lay down, though her attention span is about four seconds, so not even that lasts. Continuing with the authority theme, while I'm at it, I would try to stop the meaning less posts, like LOLs and wOOts and one or two worders that people throw out there just to raise the post count. But alas, I can do none of these things, other than to exercise my freedom of speech to post my dislike of gamercentric users whose sole concern an intel bootcamp Mac with good graphics for a PC competitive price, or those wanting and willing to buy a Mac Pro and waste it gaming. There are so many things wrong with this country, and it is just getting worse. Kids to today are smarter and their focus is IMing and texting and gaming and being spoiled. Well maybe not all of them. I guess my rant belongs in another forum in another thread.
 
Graeme A said:
I thought we already covered the Apple pricing policy some 100 posts back... Apple != Dell/HP. You want cheap, buy cheap. Want Apple, you gotta pay a little more.
Same argument for cars, Mercedes != Fiat/Toyota Yaris... Same things inside them but different experiences.
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exactly, the problem is today's mac is not Mercedes anymore, its quality more like a high end toyota or low end wv. and apple today's policy is not "I only want rich people buy my product" anymore, u see, its not new user/switcher doesn't appreciate mac's beauty (which I do), its users from past didn't realize the market plan of apple and the reality apple is challenging Dell/Hp in the same market. don't believe me? just check those funny, but exaggerated mac vs pc ads. (PS, they should really make one ad show that mac guy suddenly drop dead on the ground)
 
roland.g said:
I mentioned God?
I asserted authority?
If you have nothing to say, don't. What was that?

Like I said I'm not necessarily picking on you. Just my feelings about gamers. Last I checked I was allowed to have my own feelings, without being the dictator of my own country. And like you said free speech, so I can post my feelings. If I had any authority, I would raise the MR age limit to 17 or 18. I'm sure there are a lot of 13-17 year olds who have a lot of good things to say but at the same time it would probably eliminate a lot of gamers too. That said I have no idea how old you are. I am simply stating what I would do with some authority. Remember that I don't have any. Not here at least. I can however tell the dog to sit, stay or lay down, though her attention span is about four seconds, so not even that lasts. Continuing with the authority theme, while I'm at it, I would try to stop the meaning less posts, like LOLs and wOOts and one or two worders that people throw out there just to raise the post count. But alas, I can do none of these things, other than to exercise my freedom of speech to post my dislike of gamercentric users whose sole concern an intel bootcamp Mac with good graphics for a PC competitive price, or those wanting and willing to buy a Mac Pro and waste it gaming. There are so many things wrong with this country, and it is just getting worse. Kids to today are smarter and their focus is IMing and texting and gaming and being spoiled. Well maybe not all of them. I guess my rant belongs in another forum in another thread.
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u can have your own feeling whatever u want, but u can bashing other people based on ur own feeling, thats the line, and sorry, u are not there to cross it.
let me be honest with you, I wish you would accept the changes
 
roland.g said:
RSS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_(file_format)


I could tell you that IM stands for instant moron or immediate motion or even internet machine

but since it has been used for instant messaging first and for much longer, let's keep it that way so everyone understands.
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That's fine except that there are hundreds (or probably thousands) of posts on Apple's forum that refer to Random Shutdown Syndrome as RSS. Take any acronym, no matter what it is, and you will find dozens of meanings. Certainly you can't claim just one meaning. The site www.acronymfinder.com lists at least 250 definitions for rss.
 
yellow said:
You'll notice that there's an unlinked stub to random shudown syndrom.

EDIT: Which someone JUST added, because now it's not an unlinked stub.
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That's great. But call it Random Shutdown Syndrome. Because RSS most commonly refers to news feeds. I use an RSS reader to gather all my pertinent Mac, sports, and music news to choose what articles I want to read rather than visiting each site everyday to see what is new. Not owning a Macbook or a MBP, I have not kept up on all their issues though I have heard loads about the whining and mooing. That said, I'll continue to assume news feeds when I hear RSS.
 
and now we are really hitting the tangent. i think we should just agree that apple aint going to beat a dell on headline price, shake hands, wave, and go our seperate ways.
 
danny_w said:
That's fine except that there are hundreds (or probably thousands) of posts on Apple's forum that refer to Random Shutdown Syndrome as RSS. Take any acronym, no matter what it is, and you will find dozens of meanings. Certainly you can't claim just one meaning. The site www.acronymfinder.com lists at least 250 definitions for rss.
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Awesome.
YAFI.
Toyota.
 
roland.g said:
Yes, they have a huge marketshare.
Yes, they turn out budget PCs.
Yes, we all know YOU are the fanboy here.

Dell, Dell, Dell, Dell, Dell. This sentence was deleted to save you embarrassment.
Dude you call me a fanboy, you call everyone a fanboy, are you eight. Settle down and realize that you are the one who is overreacting and also deleted due to fanboy sensibilities.
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how am i a fanboy? i own more apple machines than i do DELL? i'm not bias about one machine over the other that's why i have both. you strictly have one only and that machine is all you talk about. if i was the only one supposedly overreacting why is this thread 9 pages long? now i would be a fanboy if i didn't even own an apple and all i had was dell machines...but that's not the case. I have more money in apple with more machines than dell....so do the math.
 
rmhop81 said:
really? since when did i venture out to say anything else about other pc manufacturers prices? I didn't! I wouldn't buy any other machine than a dell or apple. I go with dell for notebooks and apple for desktops. The reason i didn't mention other pc's is bc they are too expensive as well. If you have dell churning out low priced budget pc's with just as good as specs as apple for HALF the cost why overpay or even go with IBM whose prices are ridiculous too.
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You said:
now that apple is on the same level parts wise as pc companies why the price hike? I think switchers is a huge area that apple needs to get ahold of to gain any type of market share.
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"pc companies"....does that mean Dell Small Business vs Dell Home? "market share"....are you under the impression that Dell and Apple combined make up the entire computer market?

You also seem to think that Apple has raised prices. They have lowered prices, as my previous post showed. They are now beating any Windows PC company from which I personally would buy a laptop. Toshiba, HP, Sharp, etc. are NOT on my list. And no, neither is Dell. I might recommend a Dell to a PC guy, just to shut him up and save him some money. And then I'll slip him my chiropracter's phone number.

go walk into any office or someone's house and tell me what kinda computer they have sitting there. 8 times out of 10 it's a dell.

dell is a beast when it comes to computing....they own HUGE market share. if you don't see that then you need to open your eyes a bit more.
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Yes, many people prefer to pay less and get less. Yaayyy!! You are seriously at the wrong website, bud. And you don't even seem to understand that. Go talk about the great Dell laptops somewhere else.
 
lmalave said:
Jeez, Dell must be trying to increase their market share in the Canadian market. FYI, the 640m is not even available on the U.S. store. The equivalent model on the U.S. store is th E1405.
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Try the Small Business area, I believe the 640M is there. Dell has too many "stores".

(not that I'd recommend you buy a Dell ;))
 
JAT said:
Try the Small Business area, I believe the 640M is there. Dell has too many "stores".

(not that I'd recommend you buy a Dell ;))
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That is a good point. rmhop81 has stipulated that Dell prices are such and such, while the OP stated something else. Not only does Dell have too many stores, but it seems that their pricing and discounts are all over the place. When I bought my Dell for real estate last year that I subsequently gave to my Mom this year for her b-day, I called 10 or 12 times, talked to several different reps and each one gave me a different price on the same exact computer with the same exact specs. Sometimes the same rep would give me a different price on a different day. I just kept calling until I got the lowest price I could. You can't find all their notebooks or desktops on one page because they break it down by home, small business, or whatever else. I have found it pretty damn confusing. Last year a friend of mine wanted a Dell, I didn't tell her to get an Apple. I looked at the quote that her boyfriend emailed her and it was crap. It was one of the lowest end models they had. I configured her a much better Dell for $50 more. I can't remember exactly but it was like a B105 or B103 or something that he was getting her and I think she ended up buying an Inspiron 6000. The specs were better, the screen was better. I think she got it for $849 or $879. That's right rmhop81 I bought a Dell and have helped other people buy Dells and not once did the word Apple or Mac come out of my mouth.
 
Cheap Dells really hits a soft spot on a lot of people here... I can't believe this thread is still going. I'm even more shocked a mod has not shut it down yet. Let me sum this up haha

Apple = generally more expensive for what you get (excluding MacPro part for part compared to a Dell workstation), very cool looking, great OS, often times subpar lower level support, issues with certain products in regards to quality control.

Dell = cheap for what you get, runs Windows (good for some like business who need windows.. bad for those who don't like to have to perform occasional maintenance on their computers), bigger laptops but with more power as the tradeoff, generally uninspiring designs and generally good support/backing of their products.

Each has its ups and downs. Personally, I am ok with staying on top of Windows and I built myself a gaming PC that I know will last a long time (I used high grade components). I run XP x64 with antivirus software, spyware software, blah blah blah. That is my choice... I picked the cheaper route because I like to game. If I had the money, I would have gotten a MacPro as that is what I would prefer.... I just didn't want to shell out the money for a MP with the upgraded x1900.

So big deal, I went with what I wanted because it was cheaper. That does not mean I don't like mac products. Sure, I think the MBP is underpowered for the price... because it is! I think the iMacs are a great value for what you get for an all-in-one, the macbooks are fairly priced for a mac product (assuming the problems have been ironed out now), the mini is like none other for a family room friendly computer, and if you really need a quad core system then the MP is the way to go.

It is clear there is never going to be a general agreement here so I say, "To each their own"
 
I'm thinking that if Apple had just included a Superdrive (it's the end of 2006 for crissakes!) and maybe 100 GB hard drive that this guy probably wouldn't have complained about the price difference.

I don't think that any of us have a problem with paying a cost premium for a Mac. And maybe it'd be acceptable for some features to be a little lower. But to pay a premium for noticeably less features is where is causes one to pause.
 
JAT said:
Try the Small Business area, I believe the 640M is there. Dell has too many "stores".

(not that I'd recommend you buy a Dell ;))
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Thanks for the tip! Here's what I get on the U.S. Small Business store:

Inspiron 640m
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T5600 (2MB Cache/1.83GHz/667MHz FSB) Windows® XP Home
14.1 inch WXGA+ UltraSharp™ TFT Display with TrueLife™
512MB DDR2 SDRAM 533MHZ, 1 DIMM
60GB Sata Hard Drive
24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)

Price: $839

So it costs $250 less than the MacBook for very similar specs. A significan price difference, so it's up to the consumer to decide if the extra $250 is worth it. A $1099 price point for a laptop is low enough for consumers to make the jump and buy an entry level Mac if they've given it serious consideration.

That being said, I hope that Apple lowers the price of the MacBook to $999, the entry level price of the iBook for at least a couple of years. There's something magical about a sub-$1000 price point. I mean, it's 3 digits instead of 4! Psychologically it's big price barrier for the casual consumer. I have hope that within a year Apple will go down to $999. The MacBook was the 1st-gen with the new Intel architecture, after all. I'm hoping that at some point in the future, when MacBooks go to Core 2 Duo, the entry-level MacBook will stay at Core Duo and go down to $999 in price....
 
MarkCollette said:
I'm thinking that if Apple had just included a Superdrive (it's the end of 2006 for crissakes!) and maybe 100 GB hard drive that this guy probably wouldn't have complained about the price difference.

I don't think that any of us have a problem with paying a cost premium for a Mac. And maybe it'd be acceptable for some features to be a little lower. But to pay a premium for noticeably less features is where is causes one to pause.
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For a consumer that actually likes to enjoy using a computer, though, the value of the Apple Experience is significant. I'll repeat what I said in a post above:

I sold my HP laptop with 100 GB hardrive, 1 GB memory, and DVD burner, and traded *up* to a MacBook with 60 GB hard drive, 512 MB of memory, and no DVD burner. Funny, my HP had exactly the additional specs you mention (plus 1 GB memory). But you know what - I haven't once regretted selling my HP at a loss just so I could buy a MacBook with lower specs. My MacBook is the best laptop I've owned, period.
 
QuarterSwede said:
Don't know if anyone already said this but Apple's resale value is much higher than that of a Dell. Kind of offsets cost.
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I don't know that it offsets anything. I really don't think the vast majority of consumers factor the resale value of a computer into their purchasing decisions. If you do, then good for you, but I can't imagine resale value even crossing the mind of any of my friends or family when they make computer purchases.
 
lmalave said:
I don't know that it offsets anything. I really don't think the vast majority of consumers factor the resale value of a computer into their purchasing decisions. If you do, then good for you, but I can't imagine resale value even crossing the mind of any of my friends or family when they make computer purchases.
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Then think about how horrible Dell's support is. Chances are you'll have to deal with them.
 
I just came across ANOTHER reason PCs (BTO, from large corps) are generally cheaper than Macs.

The corp gets paid BIG bucks per PC to install 3rd party X, Y, and Z on there for the user. That means the PC corp can lower their price point per computer and pass the 'savings' onto the consumer. But most semi-adept PC folks will tell you the first thing they do with a PC out of the box...

;)

This is not fully the case with OS X and the Mac. Since there's significantly less marketshare involved here, there's less companies investing in this kind of marketing of their products.
 
yellow said:
I just came across ANOTHER reason PCs (BTO, from large corps) are generally cheaper than Macs.

The corp gets paid BIG bucks per PC to install 3rd party X, Y, and Z on there for the user. That means the PC corp can lower their price point per computer and pass the 'savings' onto the consumer. But most semi-adept PC folks will tell you the first thing they do with a PC out of the box...
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Haha this comment just brought back nightmares of when I used to work at Best Buy as a computer tech. We offered a service with PCs where we would clean it up and remove all that crap. HP/Compaq was the worst about it followed closely by eMachines. We counted and one computer we sold for awhile had almost 20 things in the system tray at startup out of the box LOL. Now I just build my own and use OEM versions of XP so I don't have to deal with that... it truely was a pain.
 
I can't believe there is another one of these! :eek:

I feel like im being stalked by "Dells are Cheaper than Macs" threads...
 
dpaanlka said:
I can't believe there is another one of these! :eek:

I feel like im being stalked by "Dells are Cheaper than Macs" threads...
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Does anyone know when the new MBP with the merom processors will be coming out??

;)
 
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