I don't think you understand the problem. It's not mistaking the buttons for one another. It's that when you press the button, you often tend to put pressure on the complementary side of the phone as well. Which causes an accidental button press.
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I don't think you understand the problem. It's not mistaking the buttons for one another. It's that when you press the button, you often tend to put pressure on the complementary side of the phone as well. Which causes an accidental button press.
Yes, I understand the problem. I just feel that we should endeavor to never make the same mistake twice. Perhaps I'm different.
No. It's clear you did not understand. And this is frankly embarrassing now that you are trying to say you are "different"
I had an HTC One M7 a few years ago. It's about the same size and shape as an iPhone 6/6s/7, and the sleep/wake button was on the top. I have to say that it's an absolutely terrible design, in my opinion. The button is so out of the way and difficult to use in that location.
I prefer the current location. Although I'm not opposed to the idea of all three buttons on the same side. The HTC 10 actually has this, and while I don't own the phone, it seems like a good setup. They even went so far as to give the sleep/wake button ridges so it's immediately identifiable by touch.
I prefer the current location. Although I'm not opposed to the idea of all three buttons on the same side. The HTC 10 actually has this, and while I don't own the phone, it seems like a good setup. They even went so far as to give the sleep/wake button ridges so it's immediately identifiable by touch.
Only if you put your finger/thumb on the power button, mine always seems to rest just to the right of it. Muscle memory I guess from using it, it just becomes second nature to miss the power button.
I doubt they'd move it back to the top in the larger devices though, it's just not ergonomically sound. Even my giant pit shovel hands would need to stretch to reach that in a normal holding position.
I'd like to see them get a bit creative now that they've changed the home button tech. I'd quite like to be able to just swipe my thumb across the home button to take a photo instead of pressing a button. But that's probably just me
While OP would prefer the power button back on top, he's not necessarily saying that's what Apple needs to do. He's saying they just need to move one of the buttons so they're not directly across from each other. I don't want the power button on top again but I would love it if they moved the volume buttons to the other side underneath the power button.
My Moto X also has a reeded edge on the power button so it's easily distinguishable from the volume buttons. I love the layout on this phone.
The way I hold my phone, sometimes I accidentally switch my phone off. For me, I still prefer the power button on top.
I guess it also depends on the size of your hands? I usually take photos with two hands..hmmOnly if you put your finger/thumb on the power button, mine always seems to rest just to the right of it. Muscle memory I guess from using it, it just becomes second nature to miss the power button.
I doubt they'd move it back to the top in the larger devices though, it's just not ergonomically sound. Even my giant pit shovel hands would need to stretch to reach that in a normal holding position.
I'd like to see them get a bit creative now that they've changed the home button tech. I'd quite like to be able to just swipe my thumb across the home button to take a photo instead of pressing a button. But that's probably just me
Maybe on top wouldn't be the best place, I'm just thinking you could still sleep the phone with one hand by using your index finger and gripping it higher up on the phone if the button was up on top again.
I think I could get used to the power button being on top or somewhere else more easily than across from the shutter/volume buttons. 2+ years with the iPhone 6 which I love and take many pics with, I'm still gripping the damn power button and sleeping it when I grab it for a pic!
Guess we all have our issues
Can't wait for the iPhone 8!
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I feel you are now operating without all of the information.. you don't have all of the facts. Please don't respond to my posts in such a misinformed capacity - this practice can serve to undermine your credibility. Have a nice day.
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I'm not sure I would call it a "mistake". If you hold the phone landscape with the volume buttons facing up to take a photo, it's only natural to snap the photo with your right index finger with your thumb right where the power button is. The counter pressure from your thumb puts the screen to sleep and you potentially miss the shot.
A good solution would be to put the sleep/wake button where the sim tray is. That would also make it easier to reach on the plus model one-handed.
Moving the power button closer to the sim tray could indeed be beneficial here. However, I still feel that, if a problem results from something that comes natural, we should work toward changing our habits. Again, perhaps I'm different in that not everyone is as willing to change their habits. In your example, moving the right thumb slightly to the left would solve the problem. And, I agree, perhaps "mistake" was an incorrect choice of words.
It's not a habit. It's physics. If you need to apply pressure to one side of the phone to press the volume button, you need to apply equal pressure to the opposite side of the phone, which is exactly where the power button is.
Opposite side, yes, but the power button does not take up the entire side of the phone. From what I see here, moving the thumb slightly to the left does not diminish grip integrity enough to risk dropping the device.
I could very well be wrong, but it would appear that excuses are being made here to avoid changing habits.
Edit: Keep in mind that I'm only offering a possibility - change of habit. Logic dictates that every possibility must be considered until said possibility is found to be insufficient for current needs.
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Snap, the button was much better on the top, i know loads of people who think the same.Opposite problem. Every time I put it to sleep I change the volume.
I have a 5s and a 6s and i much prefer the layout of the 5s.
Thanks for explaining this to people! I forgot to mention the landscape mode is where this happens!
I wonder how many people don't know about using the volume buttons to snap a pic?
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Evidently you don't take many pics? The problem mostly happens to me when I'm rushing to get a pic..
nothing to do with habit.
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If you have small hands moving the thumb to the left would be hard. you don't get it.
Yes it is a pain in the ass. I've also turned pressed the sleep button many times when trying to take a photo. I've also put the phone to sleep when changing the volume. I personally don't think it's such a problem to just have the sleep button on top of the phone. It just takes a minor shift to reach the top.
I certainly wish they would move it back.
Actually, I do take a lot of pictures. One of the first things I do when taking a picture is to feel where the power button is and then move my thumb away from it. I, too, have small hands. And, I do understand, I've made the mistake of putting the phone to sleep and, as previously stated, I work very hard to never repeat a mistake.
I think it best if I remove myself from this thread, it appears that some posters here are more interested in fabricating excuses than changing habits and resolving an issue.
"Some people create their own storms and then get upset when it rains"
I guess it also depends on the size of your hands? I usually take photos with two hands..hmm
Maybe on top wouldn't be the best place, I'm just thinking you could still sleep the phone with one hand by using your index finger and gripping it higher up on the phone if the button was up on top again.
I think I could get used to the power button being on top or somewhere else more easily than across from the shutter/volume buttons. 2+ years with the iPhone 6 which I love and take many pics with, I'm still gripping the damn power button and sleeping it when I grab it for a pic!
Guess we all have our issues
Can't wait for the iPhone 8!
Yes, these bloody button things just get in the way. Maybe it's about time they got rid of them all and replaced them with capacitive sensors. Then they could dynamically disable/reassign them based on what we're doing
It's not that people can't change their habits. Obviously that's easy to do. The issue is, why should they have to?
Apple used to care about ergonomics. They used to make phones that "feel good in the hand". They also used to be the leader in smartphone photography and if I'm not mistaken, the iPhone was the first smartphone to use the volume rocker as the camera shutter.
IMO, the current placement of the power button is not beneficial in any way. They moved it down from the top to make it easier to reach, but it's still too high up to reach one-handed and now, it's an impediment to using the volume rocker.
The answer isn't always to just suck it up and change. If it were, you could justify all kinds of dumb design decisions. The user experience is supposed to get better over time.
No need to remove yourself, your opinion is as valid as mine. You say its a habit I say its a less than optimal design choice.
When they first moved the power button you could not take pictures with the volume buttons, so it wasn't an issue when they moved it. Apple then came out with a software update that allowed you to take pictures with the volume buttons.
So it seems like a design choice that just was never changed and why would they? They had already committed to the innards being they way they are and look how much flak they got for changing the headphone jack!
Carry on, no worries!
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Nope not a big deal but if we can change their minds why not.
This is definitely a first world problem
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I think you're right, the buttons on these phones do fail and eventually they will use something better!Yes, these bloody button things just get in the way. Maybe it's about time they got rid of them all and replaced them with capacitive sensors. Then they could dynamically disable/reassign them based on what we're doing
I believe my old HTC One had the power buttoned lowered on the right side to help prevent the very issue we're discussing.
it's been 3 years since this change was made. Plenty of time to adjust.
P.S. you're holding it wrong
P.S. you're holding it wrong