Apple Pledges to End Mining and Use 100% Recycled Materials for Products

[mw360]

So several of Apple's data centers do that? Not all? Then by your own admission, Apple's claim is a lie.

Nope. The accusation you're referencing is philosophical nitpicking by a noted fossil fuel advocate. The entire premise is that the renewable energy Apple buys goes into the grid where it is mingled with fossil fuel energy, therefore Apple is using the wrong energy. It's meaningless nonsense. It's like claiming charitable donations don't go to the charities because the bank doesn't actually hand over the exact same notes you originally had in your hand. And as well as being nonsense its becoming increasingly based on untruths anyway as Apple moves to tap energy directly from sources.

 

[Amorie]

Yes, there is "climate change". 100% of scientist agree on that.That being said, the part where they disagree is what % is man made.

Either case, being resourceful and not adding more crap to our landfills is a great step forward. I'm not sure if they will be able to achieve 100% recycled, but more power to them if they can!

 

[hagar]

OK Mr. climate scientist, before I ask you any question, prove your credentials

Trump. Is that you?

How the hell can I prove my credentials on an anonymous forum...

But I'm pretty convinced you don't know the first thing about the climate and just repeat some politician who doesn't want to deal with climate change because it doesn't fit his agenda.

 

[Vege-Taco]

While 100% recycled products is a romantic idea, it is also physically impossible for everyone to do. Even if there was absolutely no waste and everything on the planet was recycled (something I personally hope we eventually achieve!!) that would still only account for something along the lines of 60% of the global demand for materials.

Don't get me wrong, I commend apple for this push, just don't get all up in arms when mining continues to be a thing.

Exactly! It sounds nice on paper (screen?), but it is an impossible goal unless Apple starts selling fewer and fewer devices.

 

[ctdonath]

I'm slightly right of center and not overly sympathetic to additional government imposed regulation in the name of environmentalism but this is a private company making a choice to utilize materials from waste products. That's great.

I am so far to the right that the Tea Party is left of me.
And I wholeheartedly laud Apple on making such a goal. There are limited resources. Landfilled garbage lasts nigh unto forever; I expect to see the day we start mining them. Conservatism includes the notion of "conserving" - use what we have, yes, and preserve what there is of it to use wisely. No point in trashing stuff if it can be built & rebuilt to create new with minimal waste and minimal environmental impact; figure out how to earn a good buck while conserving what's there, being good stewards of what we've been given.

Just, on the whole, keep the government out of it. Notice that Apple is doing this because it's the right thing to do AND they can get rich in the process BECAUSE they delight their customers - not because a police-backed practical oligarchy compels them to. Capitalism works.

 

[toddzrx]

Your grandkids will love that you put it in quotes while the water is up to their waists.

Care to bet on that? Because your ilk have been making such predictions for a couple of decades now, and none of them have come true.

 

[DevNull0]

CD?..... what's a CD?

Look at your username, genius.

 

[Count Blah]

Bla bla bla planned obsolescence bla bla bla glued/soldered bla bla...

Some people are very good at recycling, recycling the same old rubbish arguments again and again.

I just retired two 2008 iMacs, and my wife is still using a 2008 MBP with 8Gigs of RAM and an SSD. If not for the ability to upgrade these machines over the years, they would have found their way into "tech recycling" centers, that simply ship them off to 3rd world countries - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ld-PCs-laptops-microwaves-fridges-phones.html

If you don't like that source, since you seem to be of that type, just go to any other - https://www.google.com/search?q=tech+recycling+ship+other+countries&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

So you tell me, which is "greener"? Replacing a couple parts in a couple computer over the course of 10 years? or buying perhaps 8 additional computers that were all glued/soldering over those same 10 years? Having received a ton of thumbs up, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this line of thinking.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

I am so far to the right that the Tea Party is left of me.
And I wholeheartedly laud Apple on making such a goal. There are limited resources. Landfilled garbage lasts nigh unto forever; I expect to see the day we start mining them. Conservatism includes the notion of "conserving" - use what we have, yes, and preserve what there is of it to use wisely. No point in trashing stuff if it can be built & rebuilt to create new with minimal waste and minimal environmental impact; figure out how to earn a good buck while conserving what's there, being good stewards of what we've been given.

Just, on the whole, keep the government out of it. Notice that Apple is doing this because it's the right thing to do AND they can get rich in the process BECAUSE they delight their customers - not because a police-backed practical oligarchy compels them to. Capitalism works.

I have two many irons in the fire as it is but I always thought that if someone could create a highly efficient and effective material sorting process they would have a goldmine (to a limited extent quite literally) in buying up and processing landfills. They could be a modern day Rockefeller in terms of making waste products valuable.

 

[SBlue1]

However I do not support their anti-repair mentality. Using glues instead of screws and harnesses for batteries, soldering everything they possibly can, not giving repair shops the proper schematics to do their repairs, using propiatary connector interfaces on their SSD's etc

This. I just twittered to Lisa hoping that if enough people do so she may rethink this.

 

[amegicfox]

how about giving customers the ability to:

1. replace iphone batteries and parts
2. upgrade RAM and HD/SSD
3. stopping bricking Macs and Phones that are only 5 years old

 

[DevNull0]

Apple's real position on environmentalism: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/apple-recycling-iphones-macbooks

Apple is an environmental disaster.

 

[Aluminum213]

Prove yours

You made the claim that climate change was bunk, you need to prove your credentials so that we can know if we're dealing with an expert here, or just talking out of your ass. Whether he is a scientist or not, what that user stated is what 97% of the worlds climate change scientists have found. So don't listen to this guy, but maybe you should listen to the overwhelming scientific community

There is no scientific consensus

 

[mw360]

There is no scientific consensus

The consensus if huge, and it's only possible to miss it by wilfully ignoring it.

J. Cook, et al, "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 11 No. 4, (13 April 2016); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”


J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (15 May 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

Quotation from page 3: "Among abstracts that expressed a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the scientific consensus. Among scientists who expressed a position on AGW in their abstract, 98.4% endorsed the consensus.”​

Join statement by the national science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Russia, UK and USA:

There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring1. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001). This warming has already led to changes in the Earth's climate.​

Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences​

 

[malexandria]

This.
I described something similar to your idea, I was thinking about refurbishing a Mac but a brand new product would work too (and they could refurbish the one you give back and sell it to someone else).

Since they already have iPhone upgrade program they could do the same with iPads and Macs, so you don't have to pay the full price but you pay a monthly fee and every 12 months you can get a new model and renew the loan, or you keep your device and finish to pay it after a year.

Yeah, you could turn in your old one and they could sell that "like new" machine as refurbished and it becomes good for the environment as well. I wouldn't even be opposed to paying a $2,000 buy in for my initial Mac if it meant I could then upgrade for a few hundred dollars every couple of years for up to 2 or 3 times - as long as at the end of the contract period I own the current model that I had.
[doublepost=1492769801][/doublepost]

There is no scientific consensus

Saying there's no scientific consensus makes you sound like a willful idiot. If you want to argue against climate change, fine, do so but don't deny FACTS.

Over 97% of climate scientist isn't a consensus in your view? Maybe you should learn some basic math or reading skills before commenting on anything of this nature in the future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

 

[tex210]

My rant. Apologies if it's crazy and too long. Just skidoo it if you're not interested.
Watched the video. It tries to make the impression that Apple is breaking promises and implying pegatron and Foxconn are Apple factories. They imply Apple is using 12 year olds to mine tin from illegal mining sites. The local government is obviously doing nothing to stop these operations. Apple isn't buying material from them. The material is sold to "gangs" that sell to the tin smelters. The man who says apple's concerns are bull paid for his house off the backs of those illegal miners. He's proud of it.
Showing images of people sleeping on their break is also misleading. Should they have comfy spots at the factories to take those naps, absolutely. Should the living conditions for workers in china be better, absolutely. Can Apple make Chinese factories better all on their own? They are obviously trying, but other electronic companies are customers of these factories and smelters.
How can you force a supplier to change the ways of the culture? Follow the yellow line, walk faster, repeat after me and conform all seem deeply engrained. Even the reporter says he's tired and wants to go, but stays when his supervisor tells him the work isn't stressful. Most of us would get up and clock out, opt fall asleep on the clock. I saw no whippings. He wasn't forced to stay. The workforce there wants the money.
The suicides have been shown to be statistically lower than you might think. Is it possible to make them zero? I think of it all the time, even though I don't want to do it, and I don't live in those conditions.
Automation will be the answer to all these problems, then we won't have work, and we won't be able to buy the products.
It seems to me, corruption is the problem across the board. From the recruiters who get money for every body that shows up to work (that's why they took the ID's) to the floor managers who have to keep the bodies on the factory floor (whether awake or not), to the supervisors who want to keep the complaints down so they chastise the managers and falsify documents. Then the suppliers who don't give a rat's tail where the material comes from, since their government sees it as business as usual. Everything about this is horrible, but it's truly taking place around the world in every aspect of business.
If apple can somehow squeeze more from a smaller footprint in the end, it will be an improvement. It's not like they've "promised" to change the world tomorrow.
Reduce reuse recycle. https://www.epa.gov/recycle
We all have to start somewhere, but when our own governments roll back EPA guidelines for money, how can we expect anyone else to follow them.
As for people saying their equipment is disposable because stuff is glued together, or soldered on, just remember, you don't have to buy the new one. Use what you have until it is no longer feasable.
Makes me think of a silkscreener and signmaker i knew years back. I used him too do lots of promotional stuff, but when i went into his shop, all of his equipment where old apple II's and beige macintoshes! True Pro users use what works until it dies! They make due until it no longer does. Everyone crying about the "terrible" state of current Pro machines don't seem to realize that for most people, those machines are more than capable, and due to their long production, are more likely to be supported by apple for a longer period of time.

 

[Aluminum213]

The consensus if huge, and it's only possible to miss it by wilfully ignoring it.

J. Cook, et al, "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 11 No. 4, (13 April 2016); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”


J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (15 May 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

Quotation from page 3: "Among abstracts that expressed a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the scientific consensus. Among scientists who expressed a position on AGW in their abstract, 98.4% endorsed the consensus.”​

Join statement by the national science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Russia, UK and USA:

There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring1. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001). This warming has already led to changes in the Earth's climate.​

Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences​

liberal funded studies, SHOCKER

 

[CyBeRino]

liberal funded studies, SHOCKER

Is it really that shocking that studies not funded by conservatives don't lie and distort the truth? Only conservatives present "alternative facts" as if they were true, even though we all know that "alternative fact" is just another word for "bold-faced lie".

 

[Aluminum213]

Is it really that shocking that studies not funded by conservatives don't lie and distort the truth? Only conservatives present "alternative facts" as if they were true, even though we all know that "alternative fact" is just another word for "bold-faced lie".

show me the facts, it's al theories that haven't been proven

 

[mw360]

show me the facts, it's al theories that haven't been proven

Here you go, 11,944 peer reviewed studies scored by how pro or anti AGW they are. Do your own research, read them all and tell us whether the 97% figure is accurate. Or even better, refute the findings. One by one.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/media/erl460291datafile.txt

 

[LordVic]

show me the facts, it's al theories that haven't been proven

Show us the facts that Climate change isn't real.

many have now provided you links and resources for thousands of studies and reserach papers, that have been peer reviewed and accepted by the larger scientific communities.

And if they haven't been "proven", then there are scientific studies that have been done to disprove them, that will have been published and peer reviewed as well.

so now the burden of proof is on you. you can continue to claim ignorance all you want, But the prooof for the argument of climate change is presented. Yours has not.


The question that now begs to be asked. Why do you think that it's not real? Who told you it's not REal? why did they tell you its not real. I'm not going to go down the partisan route and claim it's some evil republican conspiracy.

But there's clearly some sort of reason you believe it to be false. So present those reasons so we can also review them, and see if those reasons have merit and if their are any scientific studies that prove it.

Science isn't 100%. The whole point of it is to prove / disprove thoery. and yes, many times in the past has some scientific evidence been uncovered that completely shattered/changed the what was known.

So i you truly believe climate change is one of those things. Where are those research? where's those papers that disprove years (decades!) of scientific consensus? Present them so that we can also be enlightened.

Meanwhile, you have presented no evidence to your claim. Others have presented evidence to their claim. You choose to willingly ignore it.

 

[Aluminum213]

Show us the facts that Climate change isn't real.

many have now provided you links and resources for thousands of studies and reserach papers, that have been peer reviewed and accepted by the larger scientific communities.

And if they haven't been "proven", then there are scientific studies that have been done to disprove them, that will have been published and peer reviewed as well.

so now the burden of proof is on you. you can continue to claim ignorance all you want, But the prooof for the argument of climate change is presented. Yours has not.


The question that now begs to be asked. Why do you think that it's not real? Who told you it's not REal? why did they tell you its not real. I'm not going to go down the partisan route and claim it's some evil republican conspiracy.

But there's clearly some sort of reason you believe it to be false. So present those reasons so we can also review them, and see if those reasons have merit and if their are any scientific studies that prove it.

Science isn't 100%. The whole point of it is to prove / disprove thoery. and yes, many times in the past has some scientific evidence been uncovered that completely shattered/changed the what was known.

So i you truly believe climate change is one of those things. Where are those research? where's those papers that disprove years (decades!) of scientific consensus? Present them so that we can also be enlightened.

Meanwhile, you have presented no evidence to your claim. Others have presented evidence to their claim. You choose to willingly ignore it.

Burden of proof is on you

2+2=4, that's fact not consensus

A hoax

 

[LordVic]

Burden of proof is on you

2+2=4, that's fact not consensus

A hoax

diud you miss this post? or are you purposely ignoring it?

Here you go, 11,944 peer reviewed studies scored by how pro or anti AGW they are. Do your own research, read them all and tell us whether the 97% figure is accurate. Or even better, refute the findings. One by one.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/media/erl460291datafile.txt

 

[CyBeRino]

diud you miss this post? or are you purposely ignoring it?

No he's one of those people who think 'scientific theory' means 'a thing that someone spitballed in a bar'.

 

[LordVic]

No he's one of those people who think 'scientific theory' means 'a thing that someone spitballed in a bar'.

the unfortunate thing is that many people who tend to be climate change deniers generally fall into one of two categories.

they generally believe what they are told on TV without question. And since mostly right wing parties tend to deny climate change (for monetary reasons), it's usually that they're conservative's themselves

Conservatives, (and im generalizing, I know), tend to be religious, or at least have some form of religion that th ey will believe in, putting a diety as a single point of knowledge.

This idea that a single point of knowledge saying something means it's "true", is how they think of Science. That science believes all you have to do is see it once, and state it, then say science!

They tend to not understand that "Science!" is a process. an actual methodology of testing and evalutation that is done in a rigorous and precise manner. Typically backed up by statistical analysis (why i'm laughing at the users post about math, whe most science uses math to help with proving their point. it's Called statistics)

But without knowledge of that process, they believe science is like a religion, and therefore, where it counters their own, they must pick their own religion over someone elses.

but this is where it falls flat. SCIENCE IS NOT A RELIGION.

people who don't want to believe science need to really educate themselves on what science and the scientific process is before speaking about matters they do not know.

I'll even help teach! all they have to do is ask. it's the first step, just ask

the second category is the politicians who deny it because they have a monetary stake who do not wish to lose that position or are looking to take advantage of peoples ignorance (like "Clean Coal Energy" producers)